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posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:59 PM
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I will try to refrain from assertion and conjecture to peacefully and artucaltely pose a series of questions that, when added together, form a picture that needs to be identified. Now these questions are all responsible questions, with importance and genuine origins. When answering these questions, or perhaps reading them for the first time, one is intrigued to reform their perspective of what has been offered as the complete truth. I will not say what I believe happened on 9/11, because this thread is purely about the questions that should be answered by all that are sympathetic to 9/11. Also, I have tried to eliminate obvious questions that have been around conspiracy boards before and just want to toss in some obscure ones that help to support the obvious ones.

Here goes:

It would be nice to start out by refreshing your minds on Lavon Affair

1). Why did Ronald Reagans (Chairman) US Joint Cheif of Staff say, "There has never been a president, no president I don't care who it was that would stand up to the Israelis. If the American people knew what kind of grip they had on our government they would rise up in arms."

2). Why did US Senator William Fulbright, Chairman of US foriegn Relations Committee say, "Israel owns the US senate, we should be more concerned about US interests."

3). Why did Pat Buchannan say, "The US Congress is Israeli occupied territory?"

4). Explain Richard Nixon and Rev. Billy Graham conversation:

Graham: If the the US doesn't do something about the Israeli controll over our media and government the US goes down the drain.

Nixon: You believe that?

Graham: Yes I do.

Nixon: I do to, but I just can't say it.

5). Why is the strongest, most influencial, and most feared lobbiest in washington the (Israeli) AIPAC, which claims they can unseat a congressment or senator?

6). Why is the head of the Pentagon ran by hardcore zionist Richard Perle & Chairman of Defense policy Paul Wolfowitz, also zionist?

7). Why did Bill Clinton in a speech to ADL say, "The Islaelis know that if the Iraqi or Iranian armies cross the Jordan river, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, fight and die?"

8). Why did Odigo, an instant messaging firm confirm that two employees recieved texts warning of the WTC attacks?

9). Why do Israeli Zionist own all of our media outlets? ABC, CBS, NBC, TIME Magazine, Newsweek, NY Times, etc..?

10). Why were there five dancing Israelis high-fiving and taking pictures while the terrorist attack took place? FBI found box-cutters (just like the highjackers, 46,000 in cash in a sock, and euro passports) They worked for Urban Moving Systems (Israeli Owner), and a few days after 9/11 the owner dropped the business and fled?

11). Why did Israeli owned Zim Israeli Navigational move it's office (200 employees) one week prior to 9/11. Do I need to even mention Silverstein?

12). Why was it proven and verified that seven of the highjackers are alive, victims of fraud, yet the government stills keeps their names as highjackers? They found Atta's passport with just some burnt edges, okay...

13). Why would steel that would point blank state the cause of the collapse be instantly shipped out before an investigation?

14). Why did NORAD not pick up the stress call after 40 min of no comm?

15). Why did Bush say on TV that he mourned the lives of 130 Israelis that died in the collapse when not one Israeli actually died in the WTC?

16). Why were Israelis found to be spying on the arabs in California, prior to 9/11, yet nothing ever happened?

17). Why do you think FOX news reported that investigators from FBI, INS, NSA told FOX that to pursue Israelis for interfering in CONVERS (wiretapping) would be carrer suicide?

These are just some question I became faced with that stretch my understanding of the original story, and makes me wonder who is really in control.

I am a hater of no one. I respect those who deserve respect.

AAC







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[edit on 19-1-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]




posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 08:31 AM
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good points you make there. The influence Israel has over USA is so clear it amazes me that so few people see it, and whe it is pointed out to most people they even deny it means anything. You could have added the amount of monetary aid USA sends to Israel each year, and the number of times countries have attempted to discipline Israel through the UN and each time USA blocks any of those efforts, etc, etc
Maybe a quote that should have been included was Ariel Sharon when he stated that Israel controls USA and the americans know it. He was correct when he said Israel controls USA but he was wrong when he said the americans know it.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 08:45 AM
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All very valid questions.
I doubt you will get any replies from the far right.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 09:35 AM
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After the "no one from the far right" comment, I had to post....




8). Why did Odigo, an instant messaging firm confirm that two employees recieved texts warning of the WTC attacks?





Two employees at the Odigo office in Herzliyya, Israel, received the message at about 7 a.m. EDT on September 11, he said. After the attacks, the staff decided to scour the server logs in order to determine the source of the message, Diamandis said. Information was then passed on to Israeli authorities, who in turn passed it to the FBI.


Further research will find comments that there were no details in the messages, just that there was going to be a terrorist attack that day.

www.fpp.co.uk...




11). Why did Israeli owned Zim Israeli Navigational move it's office (200 employees) one week prior to 9/11. Do I need to even mention Silverstein?


Their lease expired on Sept. 1, 2001 and on the 11th they STILL had employees in the towers. For those of you who might think it was a "sudden" decision for them to move...




NORFOLK - Governor Jim Gilmore today announced that Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co., Inc. has officially opened its United States headquarters in Norfolk’s Lake Wright Executive Park. Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. announced in April that it would invest $6.2 million to locate in the new building and would hire 235 people to work in this facility. The firm completed its move to Norfolk from New York City’s World Trade Center two weeks before the September 11th terrorist attacks


So they had been planning a move for a while.




12). Why was it proven and verified that seven of the highjackers are alive, victims of fraud, yet the government stills keeps their names as highjackers?


So another person showed up with a similar name to a hijacker....Hell, there are about two dozen people where I live that have the same name. There is too much TRUE information out there for me to post on this. Many of the so called "alive" hijackers look NOTHING like the photos that exist of the dead hijackers.

www.911myths.com...



13). Why would steel that would point blank state the cause of the collapse be instantly shipped out before an investigation?


I really do not know where this lie got started, but its a slap in the face to all the men and women that worked at that landfill in New Jersey for MONTHS sorting through and investigating the wreckage of the towers.

The last of the beams werent moved from Ground Zero until Memorial Day weekend in 2002 for crying out loud.



There has been some concern expressed by others that the work of the team has been hampered because debris was removed from the site and has subsequently been processed for recycling. This is not the case. The team has had full access to the scrap yards and to the site and has been able to obtain numerous samples. At this point there is no indication that having access to each piece of steel from the World Trade Center would make a significant difference to understanding the performance of the structures".


Thats from the man who helped investigate the collapses, his testimony in a US House hearing.

If you want to bash Israel, thats on you. But try to at least stick with facts rather than the above internet lies.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 02:38 PM
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Swampfox, Nice try
Way to not address the most poignant of references.

Come on now, give me links to supports that outside engineer experts got to review the steel. FEMA blocked everyone out and controlled it like a mafia, so says dozens of experts.

BTW, I grade you a C- from your far left response. The only qauzi-valid point you made were over the lease running out. But that doesn't have to be just coincidental you know?

Try answering some of the obvious dialougue and answer me this, Do zionists dictate our worldly affiars? I would like your opinion. because that was the point of the thread, and if you say "no", you are discrediting some iconic american figures throughout history.

BTW, I am bashing Zionistic trechery, not Israel. And sir, you made reference to about five of the fifteen questions, did you just happily ignore the rest when our presidents spoke of this? You can just disregard that?

AAC

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posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 04:42 PM
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Come on now, give me links to supports that outside engineer experts got to review the steel. FEMA blocked everyone out and controlled it like a mafia, so says dozens of experts.


There seems to be a widespread belief among many that the government was obliged to have "outside" engineering experts, nothing can be further from the truth. There is NOTHING that demands "outside" versus "inside" experts. In other words, its a non-issue. The NTSB doesnt allow "outside" experts to examine every accident either. Nor does the DoD. Attacking dedicated workers just because they work for the government is wrong.




BTW, I grade you a C- from your far left response. The only qauzi-valid point you made were over the lease running out. But that doesn't have to be just coincidental you know?


Yep, they were so "in" on the conspiracy that they STILL HAD AN OFFICE in the towers and employees who were caught up in the madness of trying to evacuate. Again, its a non-starter.



BTW, I am bashing Zionistic trechery, not Israel. And sir, you made reference to about five of the fifteen questions, did you just happily ignore the rest when our presidents spoke of this? You can just disregard that?


No, you are bashing Israel, again, your choice. As for just replying to five, those were the obvious falsehoods and I was time limited. Does Israel have too much influence.....maybe.....Then again, maybe not. Does it have any connection to 9/11, nope.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 04:58 PM
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why do valid questions about what presidents have said about Israel get the reply that it is Israel bashing? None of those questions are 'bashing' Israel, they are very valid and deserve discussion and investigation, not an accusation of bashing (you might as well have called the anti semitic card).



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 05:08 PM
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WHat happened to the five celebrating Israeli "movers", (Mossad agents), who were arrested and placed in solitary confinement for weeks after they were spotted in a white van suspected of attempting to blow up the George Washington Bridge. We also know about the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems - Dominick Suter - then suddenly abandoned his “moving company” and fled for Israel on 9-14. But there were still more Israeli "movers" and other Israelis whose actions raise serious suspicions. Even more suspicious is how they are always quietly released and deported.



In October of 2001, three more Israeli "movers" were stopped in Plymouth, PA because of their suspicious behavior. These "movers" were seen dumping furniture near a restaurant dumpster! When the restaurant manager approached the driver, a "Middle Eastern" man later identified as Moshe Elmakias fled the scene. The manager made note of the truck's sign which read "Moving Systems Incorporated" and called the police. When the police spotted the truck, two other Israelis - Ayelet Reisler and Ron Katar began acting suspiciously. The Plymouth police searched the truck and found a video. The Israelis were taken into custody and the video tape was played at the police station. The video revealed footage of Chicago with zoomed in shots of the Sears Tower. The police quickly alerted the FBI and it was also discovered that the Israelis had falsified travel logs and phony paperwork on them. They were also unable to provide a name and telephone number for the customer that they claimed to have been working for. These Israelis were up to some sort of dirty business, and you can be sure it had nothing to do with moving furniture. These Israeli spies may have had a dark sense of humor. The name of their “moving company” actually contained the word MOSSAD embedded inside. Moving Systems Incorporated… MOving SyStems IncorporAteD…….MOSSAD



On October 10, 2001, CNN made a brief mention of a foiled terrorist bomb plot in the Mexican Parliament building. They promised to bring any further developments of this story to their viewers, but the incident was never heard of again in America. But the story appeared in bold headlines on the front page of the major Mexican newspapers and was also posted on the official website of the Mexican Justice Department. Two terror suspects were apprehended in the Mexican Chamber of Deputies. Caught red-handed, they had in their possession a high powered gun, nine hand grenades, and C-4 plastic explosives. Within days, this blockbuster story not only disappeared from the Mexican press, but the Israelis were quietly released and deported! The two terrorists were Salvador Gerson Sunke and Sar ben Zui. Can you guess what their ethnicity was? Sunke was a Mexican jew and Zui was a colonel with the Israeli special forces (MOSSAD).
The story in El Diario de Mexico went on to reveal that the Zionist terrorists had fake Pakistani passports on them. Can you say "false flag operation?" .
Many Mexicans expressed shock at the release of the two Israelis. But when you learn that Mexico's Secretary of Foreign Relations is a Zionist named Jorge Gutman, it's not surprising! La Voz de Aztlan (Mexican-American news service), in it's excellent investigative report revealed:
"La Voz de Aztlan has learned that the Israeli Embassy used heavy handed measures to have the two Israelis released. Very high level emergency meetings took place between Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Jorge Gutman, General Macedo de la Concha and a top Ariel Sharon envoy who flew to Mexico City specially for that purpose. Elías Luf of the Israeli Embassy worked night and day and their official spokeswoman Hila Engelhart went into high gear after many hours of complete silence. What went on during those high level meetings no one knows, but many in Mexico are in disbelief at their release."



November of 2001, 6 more suspicious Israelis were detained in Florida. They had in their possession box cutters, oil pipeline plans, and nuclear power plant plans. The local police called in the Feds and Immigration officials took over the scene and released the men without calling the FBI. The Jerusalem Post ran this story under the headline "FBI Suspects Israelis of Nuclear Terrorism". The Miami Herald and the Times of London also carried this amazing story and all revealed how furious FBI officials were that these Israeli terror suspects with nuclear power plant plans were set free by INS officials. Of course, the corruption riddled FBI would only have caved into Zionist pressure from the Justice Department’s Criminal Division boss, Michael Chertoff, and also from the ADL’s “partner”, FBI boss Robert Mueller - who would no doubt have found a way to eventually release those Israeli terror suspects anyway.
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December, 2001, the Los Angeles Times published the story of how two jewish terrorists were arrested by the FBI for plotting to blow up the office of US Congressman of Arab descent - Darrell Issa (R-CA), and a California mosque. Irv Rubin and Earl Kruger of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) were charged with conspiracy to destroy a building by means of explosives. This story got brief national coverage but quickly disappeared too. These Zionists sure love blowing up buildings and killing innocent people don't they?




In May of 2002, yet another moving van was pulled over in Oak Harbor, Washington near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. Fox News reported that the van was pulled over for speeding shortly after midnight. The passengers told the police they were delivering furniture, but because it was so late at night, the police weren't buying the story. A bomb sniffing dog was brought in and the dog detected the presence of TNT and RDX plastic explosives in the truck (great stuff for demolishing buildings!) Both Fox News and the Ha'aretz newspaper of Israel reported that the two "movers" were Israelis.



In December, 2002, Ariel Sharon made the amazing claim that Al-Qaeda agents were operating inside of Israel. But when Palestinian authorities apprehended the suspects, they turned out to be Palestinian traitors impersonating Al-qaeda agents for the MOSSAD! From the Sydney Morning Herald of Austrailia:
“Palestinian security forces have arrested a group of Palestinians for collaborating with Israel and posing as operatives of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network, a senior official said yesterday. ..The arrests come two days after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon charged al-Qaeda militants were operating in Gaza and in Lebanon.
It was considered a surprise because the Gaza Strip is virtually sealed off by Israeli troops. The hardline Israeli leader also charged other members of the terror group were cooperating with Lebanon's Shi'ite militia Hizbollah”



According to FOX news, throughout late 2000 and 2001, a total of 200 Israeli spies were arrested. It was the largest spy ring to ever be uncovered in the history of the United States. The Washington Post also reported that some of these Israelis were arrested in connection with the 9-11 investigation. US. Carl Cameron of FOX News Channel did a excellent four part, nationally televised, series of investigations into this blockbuster scandal. But FOX pulled the investigative series after Zionist groups complained to FOX executives. FOX even went so far as to remove the written transcripts of the series from its website! In it’s place was posted a chilling, Orwellian message which reads: "This story no longer exists." (20) Fortunately for the sake of history, the FOX transcripts were copied onto to many other websites and all four parts are available for your review.
The FOX series and other mainstream news media sources revealed that many of these Israelis were army veterans with electronics and explosives expertise. Many of them failed lie detector tests. FBI agents told FOX that some of their past investigations were compromised because suspects had been tipped off by Israeli wiretapping specialists. It was discovered that Israeli companies such as Comverse and Amdocs have the capability to tap American telephones (great for blackmailing all those wife-cheating politicians!) FBI agents also told FOX they believed the Israelis had advance knowledge of the 9-11 attacks. (which certainly would explain why no Israelis died in the WTC) Still another US official informed FOX that some of the detained Israelis actually had links to 9-11, but he refused to describe the nature of those links. The FBI official told FOX's Carl Cameron:
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about the evidence that has been gathered. It is classified information."


When stories like this are flashed across media outlets then buried, people are supposed to raise suspician, especially when someone attacked our country and forever changed it for the worse, and no one has an honest clue who did it.

AAC



posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 10:46 AM
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You should look into the fact that, the day after 911, Israel said that more than four thousand Israelies were still unaccounted for, yet in the end the only Israelies to die were on the plane.

www.cnn.com...

[edit on 25-1-2007 by Malichai]



posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Why would steel that would point blank state the cause of the collapse be instantly shipped out before an investigation?


I really do not know where this lie got started


There was no real investigation and the steel was shipped out before any true investigation was carried out.

Your reply to his post is very feeble, and quoteing from government propaganda sources which have been debunked long ago is lame



posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 02:11 PM
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I was born in Israel, and I think the questions raised here are valid. I don't take offense to them or consider them Israel bashing.

however, it's important to remember the questions here have to do with the Israeli government, not the Israeli people. However, in many cases, it's the innocent ones who pay the price.



posted on Jan, 30 2007 @ 08:16 PM
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I just watched this on CNN. I have been thinking about this for a long time now, Israel basically "controlling" the USA. These things never get on TV. Thanks, Bill Gates, for inventing the internet! Oh, and will you get me a free Vista copy while you're at it?



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by Malichai
You should look into the fact that, the day after 911, Israel said that more than four thousand Israelies were still unaccounted for, yet in the end the only Israelies to die were on the plane.

www.cnn.com...

[edit on 25-1-2007 by Malichai]


Please read the following links which for me settled the whole 4000 Jews never turned up to work so they must be in on it argument.

usinfo.state.gov...

www.snopes.com...



posted on Dec, 21 2008 @ 12:18 AM
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i dont know if to laugh or to cry you people are really sick. you know israel has nothing to do with it but you say it anyway. does muslims terrorist ring any bells???yes thats right. may the lord pay you kindly for inciting hatered agains his chosen people. and thats all its about!!!



posted on Dec, 21 2008 @ 02:29 AM
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I applaud your response in this thread. One of the most disturbing things about modern life and modern governments everywhere, not just in America, is a growing sense that governments have virtually no connection to the people they are supposed to be serving.

Ordinary people are more and more being excluded from discussion of the important issues with their governments, who neither consult with the people or even bother making the most feeble cosmetic pretense of trying to do what citizens want done.

The oligarchy in the US is beginning to look more and more like the Russian aristocracy prior to 1917, completely out of touch with the real machinery of state and the real source of the state's power, the people. I see the same thing in Canada and I believe a similar phenomenon is happening in Israel and elsewhere.

I take your point that it might be unfair to blame "Israel" for interfering in US affairs, if one means by "Israel", the actions of it's citizens as expressed by it's government, as opposed to the activities of a cabal at the top, cooperating with a cabal at the top of the American government.



posted on Dec, 21 2008 @ 10:51 AM
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posted by 11Bravo
All very valid questions.
I doubt you will get any replies from the far right.


I am far right; Conservative Republican all my life and a strong Ron Paul supporter. Of course I do not support corrupt politicians such as Bush/Bush/Cheney/McCain/Clinton. Did the Israeli Zionists/Mossad/Israeli Government display complicity in 9-11?

Of course they did. How much more obvious could they be? That is not the only evidence of their complicity. Intelligence reports after 9-11 leaked the information that Israeli Mossad and the Israeli Government withheld vital information from US Intelligence prior to 9-11. Zionist Commando Daniel Lewin was supposedly aboard Flight 11. Of course he was not really aboard; he now has a new identity so he can be more effective in future Israeli terrorist attacks.



Those people [Zionists - Israeli Government - Mossad - NeoCONs) are not our friends. They never were. The Israelis murder their own citizens if they dare to object to the murders of the innocent. The Israelis have a long history of infiltrating their enemies and pretending to be Islamic terrorists. They have been caught in many missions into the US, arrested, and deported. Pretty soon they are back again. They attacked the USS Liberty in 1967 with a coordinated 9 hour long air/sea attack. The Israelis INVENTED modern day terrorist attacks.


“On January 12, Indian intelligence officials in Calcutta detained 11 foreign nationals for interrogation before they were to board a Dhaka-bound Bangladesh Biman flight. They were detained on suspicion of being hijackers. ‘But we realized they were tabliqis, so we let them go’ said an intelligence official.

“The eleven has Israeli passports but were believed to be Afghan nationals who had spent a while in Iran. Indian intelligence officials, too, were surprised by the nationality profile of the eleven. ‘They say they have been on tabligh in Indian for two months. But they are Israeli nationals from the West Bank,’ said a Central Intelligence official. He claimed that Tel Aviv ‘exerted considerable pressure’ on Delhi to secure their release. ‘It appeared that they could be working for a sensitive organization in Israel and were on a mission to Bangladesh,’ the official said.

www.ilaam.net...



posted on Dec, 21 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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Anybody who studies 9/11 knows that what you are saying is true. My personal take on the whole thing is that the "Israelis" were undoubtedly involved in some way. I'm sure the plot was hatched by that group of dual Israeli/American citizens who belong to the CFR and who infest the Bush administration.

The foreign policy initiatives of the Bush administration in the middle east have "Made in Israel" written all over them.

Personally, I would be willing to bet that aspects of the actual operation were undertaken by Israeli operatives or military operating covertly. Certain things were probably "outsourced", such as the planting of explosives in the trade towers, anything having to do with the execution of American air travellers that day, anything where security concerns were at their highest.

People hunting for the whistle blowers of 9/11 would probably find many of them in the Israeli military or secret services.

It's the old "criss cross" thing. You do my crime and I'll do yours, to throw off the bloodhounds.

Listen to what a retired CIA agent has to say between 5:42 and 6:19 of the following video.




[edit on 21-12-2008 by ipsedixit]



posted on Dec, 22 2008 @ 01:39 AM
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I find the most disturbing is the dancing Israeli's and the Comverse infosys connection. Why the cover-up if there is nothing to hide?



posted on Dec, 22 2008 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS ...may the lord pay you kindly for inciting hatered agains his chosen people. and thats all its about!!!


Once again, the mentality largely responsible for Israel's favored status among many of our elected officials ...s its ugly rear. And until the United States are no longer aptly and collectively classified as a predominately "Christian Nation", the favoritism is sure to continue...



posted on Dec, 22 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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I like your questions. But as you have asked for sources to verify the response of a previous poster, could you also please provide us with links to each of your questions so that we can verify that they are indeed worthy of our consideration.

Thanks.

Ps. How is it that you presume Israel has benefited from America's war in the mideast, besides merely financial investment, considering that none of Israels immediate neighbors have been invaded?




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