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reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 11:37 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by jsobecky
His father and grandfather were muslims. And the son of a muslim is automatically a muslim, I believe.


As far as I can tell, yes, Muslims are encouraged to raise their children as Muslims (as are just about every other religious follower). I found this page that seems to have some insight on the subject (a very interesting piece - I suggest reading the whole thing):

Islam Online - Family

Apparently, Allah at least allows children to question their faith.


"My son has decided Islam is not for him, that he has discovered too many flaws in the faith.”
...
Both parents and children are learning that in the West, the freedom to choose one’s faith is somewhat of a cultural assumption: an assumption that people—all people—are free to choose their religious path.
...
Perhaps this is Allah’s reason for allowing children to question their faith to begin with—to force their parents to question themselves and ultimately acquire a deeper level of knowledge and greater certainty of Islam.
...
One of the challenges of growing up in a particular religious tradition is to be able to come to the light of faith on one’s own. Belief cannot be handed down; it must take root and reside in the heart of each individual.


As to a previous question of yours, Jsobecky, many people leave Islam and survive. They have a big presence on the web.

Apostates of Islam

Some people interpret certain verses of the Quran and believe Islam teaches that apostates of Islam should be killed. Interestingly, there are equally horrid verses in the bible about Apostacy in Christianity.


A question I have is, do you need to be a muslim to attend a madrassa?


No. The word Madrassa means school, whether it's a religious or secular school.


If not, then the questions arises, why would he attend a madrassa?


His mother put him there. At 6, he did what his mother told him to. The one he attended was predominantly Muslim, but taught moderate doctrine, not Wahabbi.

Truthfully, if you would read some of the links I've provided you'd find the answers to your questions.

According to Snopes, Obama's campaign is working on a response to this "Wahibbi Madrassa" claim that may answer even more questions.

If you read the Snopes report, remember that the words in italics are the allegations, most of which are proven false.


[edit on 21-1-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]


reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 11:53 AM by semperfortis
I am sure I will get "Land Blasted" for this, but why hesitate now?

"Some" of you on here, be it Hillary, Obama, Giuliani supporter's/non supporter's or who ever, should take a look at the candidate and not cloud your political choices with all the conspiracy playtime you normally subscribe to on a regular basis here.

I mean come on!!! Reading through the posts one sees

(Manchurian Candidate)
(Illegal war for oil)
[Zionist)
(Puppet Masters)
On and on..

These things are fun to talk about, to debate here on ATS and even may have some small amount of factual basis. But do they belong in a serious debate over who is going to be in control of the most powerful nation on the planet?

These things that exist mainly in the minds of those that are fascinated by such things, used to make decisions as impacting as a Presidential Election? WOW


Being a core Conservative and supporter of all things Conservative, I am not happy with the Presidents apparent swing to Liberalism, I am also not thrilled with the concept of Hilary as President. But to contemplate Obama as a serious contender is to play into the Media obsession with Liberalism.
He is at best an inexperienced senator with little or no history that would qualify him for the position. Regardless of his religious make up.

Though again, not thrilled with Hillary, she does appear to be the most experienced candidate running at this moment.

Who are the Republicans going to put up.

Giulian? Liberal Republican
McCain? Wishy Washy at his best

There are some very viable Republicans that are considering running, but they have so little exposure at this time, it is difficult to evaluate their possibilities.

Semper


reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 12:16 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by semperfortis
"Some" of you on here, be it Hillary, Obama, Giuliani supporter's/non supporter's or who ever, should take a look at the candidate and not cloud your political choices with all the conspiracy playtime you normally subscribe to on a regular basis here.


I'd like to point out that just because we're having a discussion about the issues around this subject doesn't mean we're not looking at the candidate. Why make this assumption?


(Manchurian Candidate)
(Illegal war for oil)
[Zionist)
(Puppet Masters)
On and on..


Are we not allowed to have our opinions on the current state of the political world? It seems you have no problem voicing your own opinion 'clouded' with your political judgment...

Originally posted by semperfortis
Media obsession
Liberalism
Liberal Republican
Wishy Washy


What's the difference between voicing your political opinions and us voicing ours?


But do they belong in a serious debate over who is going to be in control of the most powerful nation on the planet?


If we care to discuss them, then yes, they do belong here.


Though again, not thrilled with Hillary, she does appear to be the most experienced candidate running at this moment.


Yeah, you probably would prefer her to all other options at this point because she's no different than Bush or any number of other conservative Republicans.

Some of us are looking for something new. Something different. We need a hero. And I'm not saying Obama is it. In fact, I have withdrawn my support from him for now, but I will discuss him, his past and his bid for presidency and I'll use the phrases I like, whether you like them or not.

Now I haven't lambasted you, but I will if you like.


reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 12:33 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by jsobecky
Hmmm...wasn't it you who was questioning whether Obama was even a muslim?


Yes. I can find nothing that states he was ever a Muslim. So I'm asking. I'm not sure of your point.


I woulda thought your links would have answered that...


Nothing I can find states that he was. They don't state that he was a Catholic, a protestant, a Bhuddist or Hindu, either, nor do they state he wasn't. They don't state that he's ever been anything but a Christian, which he adopted as an adult. I'm asking for confirmation that he's ever been a Muslim.

Originally posted by jsobecky
....but if you find a link that states why his mother sent him to a madrassa, then please post it. Thanks.


I did. But I cannot make you read it. From the Snopes site:


[My mother's] initial efforts centered on education. Without the money to send me to the International School, where most of Djakarta's foreign children went, she had arranged from the moment of our arrival to supplement my Indonesian schooling with lessons from a U.S. correspondence course.
...
In his 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama elaborated on his early schooling, explaining that he attended both Catholic and Muslim schools in Indonesia — not out of any particular religious affiliation, but because his mother wanted him to obtain the best education possible under the circumstances...


He attended Catholic and Muslim schools, but no one is taking this as proof that he's a Catholic or was EVER a Catholic. See my point?

Edited because my hands are freezing and I can't type right!

[edit on 21-1-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]
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