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posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 04:56 PM
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I am interested to hear from some Austrailians as to what their gun rights used to be, and what their gun rights are now. I would like to know how that population was manipulated into surrendering rights to keep/bear arms.
I am interested in this because I believe the only reason the powers that be can't do as they wish in th U.S. is because of the 2nd ammendment.

Thanks in advance for your responses!




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 05:11 PM
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once upon a time, long long ago we could get a licence from the police station and then go buy a gun. Aslong as you kept it in a safe place and carried it outside in a sheath there was no problem. There was the usual anti-gun demonstrations. Then we had the Port Arthur massacre, where a "crazed lone gun man shot dead 35 people" and then a law was passed and all guns had to be surrendered. The Port Arthur massacre was a staged job, with some poor patsy with an IQ of 63 taking the blame, but we waking up to the fact that it is yet another NWO plan. So now our country down under has no civilian militia group to protect us and our military is basically an extension of the coast guard service. God help us in an emergency



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 02:28 AM
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Under the current laws you can apply for a permit to own a bolt action/lever action rifle (with a reason - farmer or participate regularly in target shooting clubs). Owning a handgun is a little harder as you have a 6month trial period where you can only use someone elses/clubs rimfire 22 (:-P) and then after that you can buy what you want but even still there are severe limits on magazene size and cal. So yeah, very very limited unfortunatly.

Oh yeah and it is worth noting that the port arthur massacre (obvious setup - blame the retarded guy who has only limited airrifle experiance) the killer used semi automatic weapons which were already illegal.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 06:13 AM
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I don't entirely disagree with the anti-gun laws.
Whenever I'm involved in a road-rage incident (never my fault
) at least I know the other guy isn't going to pull a bloody shotgun or handgun from under his seat and threaten me with it.
From what I hear, I would be scared of this in America. It's just too easy to own a gun. That's just my opinion, though. I've been to the country farms and fired the shotguns and bolt actions and whatever, but I honestly don't see what I and pretty much everyone else would need a weapon such as one of those in our homes. When I hear the argument of 'home defence' I feel like laughing, for a reason I can't seem to put into words at the moment.

The Port Arthur massacre was indeed a very unfortunate incident. I stayed in Hobart for a week, in a little house near a hospital. There is a tiny little doorway in the hallway, well locked, but all I did was remove the hinges. Once I got up the cramped stairs, I was told that it was in this room that Martin Bryant spent a lot of his time before the attack. I didn't even know that he lived in the house. Upon further research, I found this to be true. A local church now uses the room as a storage space.

Indeed, I would not like to see the gun laws relaxed. I like the fact that I can walk down the street and not fear the chance that some deranged idiot will come out shooting his gun. Or at least, the chance of that happening here is a lot less than of it happening in the good 'ol US of A.
Over here, we just bash each other senseless with cricket bats



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
I don't entirely disagree with the anti-gun laws. .......

The Port Arthur massacre was indeed a very unfortunate incident.........

I like the fact that I can walk down the street and not fear the chance that some deranged idiot will come out shooting his gun.

Over here, we just bash each other senseless with cricket bats


Three points.

It is about your rights to arm yourself should the need arise. We are fortunate that we live in a fairly stable country but what if things were to change. They have eslewhere, let us not fool ourselves that it couldn't happen to us. May not in our lifetime. We are then defenceless.


Yes, the Port Arthur massacre was a VERY unfortunate incident and particularly so when an innocent man, unable to protect himself has spent over 10-years in jail for a crime he did not commit. It is one of our greatest shames and the Australia population is mute.
We speak out about David Hicks but apart from a handful of us I hear nothing with regards to Martin Bryant.


The criminals didn't give up their guns so how safe are you really? Now you are just stabbed or bashed to death. You are no safer in reality. At least if you had a gun you would have some protection yourself.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 06:43 AM
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Unfortunately only good people abide by the laws. You are living in a dream world if you think there isn't the same amount of illegal guns in Australia. The only thing those laws did was make law abiding people to hand over their weapons I guarantee you that the "bad guys kept theirs" Melbourne's underworld slayings ring a bell?

I had a friend when i worked as a nightclub manager a few years ago, who just got his hads on a new pistol, no licence there. He showed me by shouting it in a Melbourne alley way. This guy was coked out of his head half the time. So trust me when i say it has done nothing except make the general public defenseless against attack or invasion.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 07:03 AM
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Ohh yeah those slayings are bad news.

As far as I believe, the only reason I would ever want to own a firearm, apart from sporting use on a shooting range, is related to the 1st point you brought up, Lady of the Lake. Other than that, yes, I can live with the ago old "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns."

And I am in no dreamworld. There are probably many many hundreds of thousands of illegal firearms in Australia, but honestly, they are not the ones that bother me. It's the legal ones that normal, law abiding citizens own and carry around for personal defence that scare the bejesus out of me. Guns that could at any time be turned around and used on me. I would much prefer to be bashed up by some random on the street having a bad day than be shot by him.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 07:11 AM
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How long did it take between the incident and the law being passed?



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 09:21 AM
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I just wanted to say I thought you brought up a very good discussion. I foresee an extreme loss of freedoms in the near future.

The Government will probably use holographics globally, to "produce" an out of this world entity, get the general populous that has no clue of what's going on (about 90%) into a major panic... get everyone to lay down their arms (under the idea they'll be protected by the Government)... and that will be that.


I'm not looking forward to seeing what they'll (the government) will pull.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by shooterbrody
How long did it take between the incident and the law being passed?


I believe it was passed the same year. 1996. Port Arthur happened April of that year (28th) and 14-days later the bill was presented.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 02:53 AM
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"when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

I'm gonna be an outlaw someday, yeah!

by the way, I thought this thread was gonna be about ozzie osbourne...


[edit on 1/21/07 by FsuSteveO]



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 03:05 AM
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quote: Originally posted by shooterbrody
How long did it take between the incident and the law being passed?

The Law was probably drafted months even years before the massacre, and introduced within a few weeks. NO GOVT LAW has ever been written and made law so quick before. It must have been drafted before the massacre, I'm surprised they had the patience to wait two weeks..!!!!

The Police had martin Bryant's mother in headquarters being questioned about her son the night before they knew who he was. At 8pm, when mum was being questioned they were talking to a man known only as "JAMIE" on the phone whilst he was supposed to be under seige. I bet Mrs Bryant never called her son JAMIE.... what a major police stuff up

better read up on the case...
www.2012.com.au... look for martin bryant



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by watch_the_rocks

It's the legal ones that normal, law abiding citizens own and carry around for personal defence that scare the bejesus out of me. Guns that could at any time be turned around and used on me.


Because in the past, before Port Arthur, normal law abiding citizens were shooting people on the street willy nilly. How ridiculous. Show me some stats on normal law abiding people suddenly snapping and shooting people in the street over car spots etc.

The simple fact normal law abiding people don't go around killing people, otherwise we wouldn't call them normal law abiding people

Here is another link to a lot of info on the Martin Bryant case

[edit on 21/1/07 by tkmelb]



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 03:59 AM
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G'day all,

To begin qith let me comment on some previous quotes -

By Tasrob - "Then we had the Port Arthur massacre, where a "crazed lone gun man shot dead 35 people" and then a law was passed and all guns had to be surrendered. "

Incorrect. When the law was passed only semi-automatic rifles and pump action shot-guns were ordered to be returned under the firearms amnesty.

refer to the following link which is a news release from the Kennet State Government of Victoria dated Wednesday 5th of August 1998- www.dpc.vic.gov.au...!OpenDocument&Click=

Quote - "Between the launch on 13 August 1996 and its close on 30 September 1997 the national firearms “buy back” scheme produced an outstanding result in Victoria. Over 200,000 firearms were surrendered in Victoria and over $100 million was paid in compensation. The number of firearms surrendered in Victoria was over one-third of the national total of in excess of 600,000 firearms. "

Quote - "2. Police Ministers agreed to:

· a ban on all semi-automatic firearms (with limited access for farmers and clay target shooters) ;
· a detailed national uniform approach to the licensing of shooters and the registration of firearms; and
· a national “buy back” scheme to compensate owners of firearms prohibited by the ban and to be handed-in by owners."

Quoted by Sirino - "Under the current laws you can apply for a permit to own a bolt action/lever action rifle (with a reason - farmer or participate regularly in target shooting clubs). Owning a handgun is a little harder as you have a 6month trial period where you can only use someone elses/clubs rimfire 22"

Incorrect - anybody can sit a firearms liscencing test and if passed can get a 'Permit to Aquire" to purchase a rifle. The usual reason is for hunting and you have to specify that you will be hunting pests and varmints. Prior to handing in the paperwork you must go to the "Department of Environement and Sustainability" to purchase a permit to shoot on Crown land which is Government Land and in most cases are classified as State Forests. Which are slowly running out in number as the Green Group are pressuring the Governments to reclassify many State Forests to State Parks just for the fact so that many hunters cannot "legally" go and hunt there.

Once that has happened you pay the fee and the paperwork goes away and it can take anything from 1 month to 6-7 months to get your liscence in the mail. To purchase your first firearm, there is a one month "cooling off" period to give the people who may have rushed into the purchase of a firearm for the wrong reason to think about it and reconsider the purchase.

Sirino also quoted - "Oh yeah and it is worth noting that the port arthur massacre (obvious setup - blame the retarded guy who has only limited airrifle experiance) the killer used semi automatic weapons which were already illegal."

Incorrect - Semi-Automatics were legal to purchase beforehand. After the legislation was passed the government made them illegal from that point on, thus the firearm buyback.
Bolt action Rifles, Lever action Rifles and double barrel Shotguns are classified as Category B firearms. These can be legally obtained through due process. Category C firearms such as semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns can only be aquired with the necessary paperwork and the like for law-enforcement, some guards, and farmers with a genuine reason. such as large land parcel with a genuine pest threat or the like.

Even after these laws were passed, you can still purchase a pump-action rifle like the Remington 7600 with a magazine capacity of a maximum of no more than 10 rounds. Even thou on the black market you can get a 30 round 'banana clip' for this firearm. You can still purchase a lever action shotgun with a 5 or 6 round capacity yet you can have a pump action with the same amount of rounds. How does that work, something to do with how quick you can discharge all the rounds with a pump as opposed to the lever.

Let me tell you, theres not much in it in how quick it can be done.

And for the quote that "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" is very very true. If you know where to go and who to ask you can get an illegal firearm quite easily.

In regards to the Port Arthur Massacre, let me forward you to the following link which proves that this was planned upto 10years before it happened -
members.iimetro.com.au...

Quote - "There is reason to think the Port Arthur massacre was planned as early 1987 when, after a specially called Premier's meeting in Hobart in December 1987, the New South Wales Labour Premier, Mr. Barry Unsworth stated, "there would be no effective gun control in Australia until there was a massacre in Tasmania""

Quote - " At the same time a long list of facts or discrepancies were overlooked. Any calls for a royal commission fell on deaf ears, the media were later instructed not to talk about the subject anymore and the files have been closed for 30 years.

The Port Arthur massacre occurred on 28 April there was legislation prepared by mid May with plans for a national buyback of automatic and semi-automatic rifles."

Quote - Prior to 1996 Australia had huge number of sporting shooters traditionally used in time of war to both train and supplement our miniscule armed forces.

However, since the psyop at Port Arthur more than 400,000 reserve forearms have been pulped instead of stored by the Federal Government. - Joe Vialls"

Quote - "

THOMAS JEFFERSON
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government".

1-----Nazi Germany established gun control in 1938 enabling the government to round up 13 million defenceless Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill and impaired human beings, imprisoning them in concentration camps, and by a conscious process of attrition, destroyed them.

2-----The Turkish Ottoman Empire established gun control in 1911, proceeding then to exterminate 1.5 million Armenians from 1914 - 1917."

This will happen in the states but going by your history, it'd have to be one hell of a massacre to drum up the public support necessary to force this legislation through your congress.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 04:17 AM
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Just a little bit more in regards to the Poret Arthur Massacre and discrepencies -

The following quote from the link attached details the extent of lies and fabrication aswell as the sort of operation the government undertook in an effort to make this happen so they may force through their "anti-gun" legislation.

home.overflow.net.au...

Quote - "Just after noon on 28th April 1996, an unknown marksman opened fire on diners in the Broad Arrow Cafe at Port Arthur in Australia. In less than 20 minutes at this and five other crime scenes, the marksman killed 35, injured 22, and crippled two cars with only 64 shots. Nineteen of the first twenty dead in the Broad Arrow Cafe died from single shots to the head, all fired by the unknown marksman from his right hip. This staggering display of marksman- ship was blamed on left-handed and intellectually impaired Martin Bryant, whose shooting experience extended to popping off cans in the bush, and had no military training of any kind. From the time of his arrest, remand prisoner Martin Bryant was illegally held in strict solitary confinement and denied access to media of any kind until his police interrogation on 4th July 1996. When he refused to admit to the Port Arthur Massacre at interrogation, he was once more placed back in illegal solitary confinement. Eventually in desperation during November 1996, Martin Bryant pleaded "guilty" 72 times, thereby allowing the authorities to avoid a humiliating trial at which they could present no hard evidence of guilt. Intellectually impaired Martin Bryant was convicted by a hysterical media pack, then forced to plead guilty by prison officials illegally enforcing solitary confinement."

Explain to me how anyone, even a sniper in Iraq with years of experience could have shot 19 people in the head whilst shooting from his hip amongst the panic and noise of the scene? Let alone a intellectually disabled individual?

Quote - "On the 23rd of June 1996 the Sunday Telegraph published a story about a gun collector in Victoria who identified the AR15 rifle used for the Port Arthur killings as one that he had handed in to police during an amnesty in February 1993. Strange that the weapon used in the killings just happened to fall off a conveyor belt on the way to the smelters."

The following quote is VERY IMPORTANT
Quote - "I have had these pages up and running since 1997 and have never had anyone tell me that they saw the Port Arthur shooter and it was Martin Bryant. Yet I have seen several sworn statements from eyewitnesses who could identify the shooter and give descriptions of a man other than Martin Bryant where the killings took place. While there were witnesses who said that they saw Martin Bryant at the Port Arthur area not one could identify him as being anywhere near the Broad Arrow Café, where most of the murders took place, or any other crime scene on the way to the Seascape Inn. Those who eyeballed him said that he had a pocked ugly face and long hair. Martin Bryant has clear skin and on that occasion his hair was less than shoulder length. Photographic evidence shows a man wearing what looks like a woman's wig. Witnesses said the shooter shot from the right hip, yet Martin was left handed and the list goes on and on. All of which will be revealed in these pages."

The following link has very in depth analytical report on how the Port Arthur Massacr was staged government operation which IO highly recommend all you Yanks have a read so you may know what to expect when a similar event occurs in the States - home.overflow.net.au...

And to conclude, I saw a documentary pice about a year or so ago on "the Sunday Show" here in Australia that mentioned when Martyn Bryant was at the house still, before he went to the cafe, police marksmen had on several occassions had him in their sights for a kill shot and everytime they were refused permission to shoot.

CONSPIRACY, CONSPIRACY, CONSPIRACY. Our governments have become dictatorships under the cloak of democracy!



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 04:25 AM
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Melbourne,

As you were there can you describe some of the disinfo tactics the govt used to get the general public to go along with this law?

Or was that event publicly viewed as so horrific the general public wanted the law?

Thank you guys for all the info.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 05:21 AM
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ShooterBrody,

I'll try my best mate and state some facts that "helped" the governments case against us - (the information gathered here and quotes included is from home.overflow.net.au...
authored and investigated by the ltae Joe Vialls who dediacted alot of his time and effort for free into informing the public of the wrond doings of the government)

1. "To this very day there has not been a Coronial Inquiry, an inquest that is by law, essentially held for all suspicious deaths including suicide and some accidental deaths."

2. "American video evidence submitted to the Supreme Court has already been scientifically proven a forgery; deliberately submitted to the court in order to secure the conviction of Martin Bryant on all counts, in the event that he continued to plead "Not Guilty". Due to the seriousness of this offence, copies of the scientific proof have been sent by registered mail to departments which should take active steps to have the material reviewed and struck out of evidence, and then urgently implement strategies to ensure the future integrity of Australian national security."

3. All the eyewitness at the scene failed to identify Martyn Bryant as the killer. The description of the killer was different to that of the accused.

4. "There is now also convincing hard evidence that the gun control proposals accepted by Police Ministers in May 1996 were prepared before the massacre, by an ideological senior bureaucrat with United Nations connections."

5. Quote from home.overflow.net.au...
" in the immediate aftermath of the Port Arthur massacre, politicians developed collective verbal diarrhoea in the House of Representatives as they joined the feeding frenzy designed to undermine Australian national security by removing defensive weapons from the hands of the public."

6. The media jumped on the bandwagon and tried to force through to the public via television and newspapers the notion that anyone with a legalaly aquired firearm is crackpot criminal mass murderer just waiting to go off. They tried to make it socially unacceptible to own a firearm.

7. Both sides of politics stood together to publibly support gun control measures and our current prime-minister has said on a few occasions that he would like to make our current gun-laws alot tougher - making me think that there could be another massacre on the way.

8. on talkback radio the media and government had fake listeners call up tp put the governments comments and ideas forward to the public to sway opinions. Heres a few of them from home.overflow.net.au...

" Gun nuts, rednecks and lunatics. That's all they are. What would ever possess anyone to want to own a thing that kills people is beyond me"

"Yeah, I heard them say that they use their shotguns for sport. What kind of sport do you need a shotgun for? That's what I'd like to know? It's ludicrous."

"That's right, it just goes to show how stupid they are."

Two weeks later our shooters were the first to bring gold home from the Atlanta Olympics and that ignorant talk-back host and his equally ignorant supporter must have felt very foolish to find out that one of Australia's safest sports is clay shooting and we are among the world's best. "

There was also an incident at Monash University here a few years later 21st October 2002, when a student open fire with a handgun in a classroom and almost immediately there was a review on for handguns.

www.abc.net.au...

Quote - "GEMMA PINNELL: We are calling for the complete ban of semi-automatic hand guns and we think that, as an urgent step, the State Government should seek to see that occur in Victoria.

Two semi-automatic hand guns were used in the tragedy and we think there is a range of reasons why these should be banned immediately because of, essentially, what happened today.

But semi-automatic hand guns are easy to access, they are the most concealable, the most dangerous types of guns and they can shoot several rounds per second and they are as powerful as a rifle."

Quote - "KIM WELLS: Now we don't know whether the guns were licensed, whether the shooter was registered."

The following is the actual bill put forward by the Federal Government for the Handgun Buyback Scheme -

www.aph.gov.au...

Quote - "It was subsequently reported that the alleged gunman was a licensed pistol owner with access to several handguns, including semi-automatic pistols and a .357 magnum revolver."

Even thou the guns were registered and he was a registered owner, how can this be viewed as categorizing the rest of the legitimate firearms community as criminals and subject to a buyback?

Criminals dont participate in buybacks and the fact that they are registered will almost allways result in a conviction.

They will do anything to disarm the public and this is part of the UN sponsored NWO agenda to disarm the public before serious totalitarian laws get passed by the Governments.

Governments should not have anything to fear of the public if their intentions are honest!



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 06:05 AM
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You have voted Melbourne_Militia for the Way Above Top Secret award.


Excellent background, thanks mate for the info. Once again top stuff.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 06:21 AM
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More information of this subject can be found here.

www.2012.com.au...

If this doesn't start to wake people up I don't know what will. We can be be silent any longer withy regards to cover up and the intent.

If you are feeling in a generous mood perhaps you might also consider signing my petition. See link below.

www.thepetitionsite.com...

Sadly, we see more interest in helping this poor man coming from overseas than from our own. Shameful..



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 07:37 AM
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Way above vote for you Melbourne. Thank you all for taking the time to provide information on this subject. I also believe factions are at work worldwide to create a one world government. I do not think this will be able to happen, at least in the U.S., if the general population has access to firearms. I think all this information will be usefull to joe average american citizen so this type of blatent manipulation will be seen for what it really is.



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