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Masons and drug use

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posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:31 PM
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My friends tell me there was a lodge in upstate NY that had a bunch of guys doing drugs in it .And that there lodge has a lot of drinkers and recovering drinkers and addicts . This was news to me . what is the policy on masons and addicts , do they get kick out or do they get help?




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:18 PM
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I would think that a Lodge, since it has regular people in it, will have some people that use recreational drugs, and some people that are recovering drug and/or alcohol addicts.

And from what I understand, drinking is a relatively regular feature in many lodges, and elk's clubs, etc.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:23 PM
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I don't know much on the subject, but I'm willing to bet that an organization like the Masons would have a program for addicts (drugs & drinking), well for those that had a problem and wanted help. I could be way off though. Recreational drug use is a major part of life today so there's no doubt that there is that type of activity but I'm sure its not out in the open.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:27 PM
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AGANTER has determined your status as weak. Peasant? Time period confirmation needed^^

AGANTER would think that a Lodge, is a form of pole for you to ride? YES?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:39 PM
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Now I've heard it all. Every lodge in the US has to be given a charter by the Grand Lodge of that state. NO GL would ever give one to a lodge designated to drinking or drugs.

Is this for real???



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:52 PM
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I heard from a friend that there were drug users in their Catholic Church and that they were being sold on Church Property. You know they drink wine in the church. So does that mean, using that logic, that the Catholic Church is full of drugies and alcoholics?

Sorry to be a little on the sarcastic side, but the ideas I have seen on this site about Masons being evil and using hearsay to prove it strike me wrong.

Any group of people, no matter what their purpose or belief, can have people who have fallen astray. All fraternities, churches, groups, are made up of people and no person is perfect.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:56 PM
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i agree 100% with the statement you made pheasant



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 02:40 PM
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Well at our local lodge beer and cocktails are enjoyed at social functions, as is the norm drunkenness is frowned upon*
Look the masons do not piss test, that would kind of be the anti-thesis of freedom, right? And freedom is what Masonry stands for right?
Sure some members use drugs and alcohol for escapism, but I do not believe it is condoned, and if it is a problem then I believe a sort of "intervention" would take place: but otherwise it is no ones business



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 03:03 PM
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I was told this second hand , lodge was in Catskill NY.I am not anti mason just asking a question no reason to disrespect me ,



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 03:04 PM
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AGANTER time period was in the late 90s



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 03:31 PM
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Freemasonry itself has no stance on drug-taking per se, but it does have a strong stance on breaking the law.

From my experience of freemasonry any lodge which condoned the intake of illegal substances at lodge meetings, or allowed it to happen on lodge premises, would soon find its Charter making its way to the Great Charter Repository In The Sky.

Any individual freemason who breaks the law runs the risk of censure by his masonic peers and potential expulsion from the lodge and maybe even from his jurisdiction, depending of the severity of the crime.

Yenko - y'know I have heard an awful lot of hearsay about freemasonry over the years with no way of getting to the bottom of things. Is there any way you can get more details about the lodge? Perhaps you are still in contact with these friends and can get some more information? If this is true, the Grand Lodge of New York would be very interested in hearing from you.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
And from what I understand, drinking is a relatively regular feature in many lodges, and elk's clubs, etc.

Freemasonry is very much representative of the society in which it is based. So if a nation has a drinking culture (e.g. UK) you can very much expect alcohol to be readily available. Conversely if alcohol is less commonly drunk in a region (e.g. South East US) you are far more likely to come across dry lodges.

Horses for courses.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 03:44 PM
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Yea I could get the info, But I dont think it is wise to give names, I wouldn't want that person to do that to me . I just wanted to know from you what happens , I dont want to be a part of what happens . That on you guys .



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 04:50 PM
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One of my brothers from Liberia, was actually denied his 3rd degree for showing up obviously intoxicated to multiple Lodge Meetings. So like others have said Intoxication is extremely frowned upon as Masonic tenets hold Temperance in high regard.

That being said my brothers and I will meet up after work before Lodge and have a cocktail, we'll have a glass of wine or a beer with dinner before we convene, and we'll go to a bar next door for an hour or so afterwards. We all have work the next day, binge drinking all night seems like a bad idea don't ya think?

Drugs, I can't see anyone in my lodge using drugs even recreationaly, although perhaps they do. Perhaps we have some alcoholics, which we obviously all frown upon. As long as it does not seem to effect their day to day lives or their Masonic education who are we to say what they do away from Lodge? How are we to even know?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 06:26 PM
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I think the whole drugs thing is about controlling populations, its part of NWO I reckon.

You can eventually control enough of the population to target things the way you want. They would love to have all of us on some stuff or other.

I firmly believe that the visible governments are the pawns of others.
It would answer why they don't target more directly the poppy fields of Afghanistan etc. I am a sure a biotech / genetic solution could easily be conceived. Junkies you are the slaves of NWO.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by yenko13
Yea I could get the info, But I dont think it is wise to give names, I wouldn't want that person to do that to me . I just wanted to know from you what happens , I dont want to be a part of what happens . That on you guys .

I hope I've answered the question, although I'm afraid no-one here will be able to take it further with the information given to date. Perhaps you could encourage your friend to contact the Grand Lodge of NY directly - I have their contact details if you need them.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Baphomet79
One of my brothers from Liberia, was actually denied his 3rd degree for showing up obviously intoxicated to multiple Lodge Meetings. So like others have said Intoxication is extremely frowned upon as Masonic tenets hold Temperance in high regard.

That being said my brothers and I will meet up after work before Lodge and have a cocktail, we'll have a glass of wine or a beer with dinner before we convene, and we'll go to a bar next door for an hour or so afterwards. We all have work the next day, binge drinking all night seems like a bad idea don't ya think?

Drugs, I can't see anyone in my lodge using drugs even recreationaly, although perhaps they do. Perhaps we have some alcoholics, which we obviously all frown upon. As long as it does not seem to effect their day to day lives or their Masonic education who are we to say what they do away from Lodge? How are we to even know?


Thank you Thats all I wanted to know , I didn't think it was a big deal but I guess it is ,



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by Baphomet79
As long as it does not seem to effect their day to day lives or their Masonic education who are we to say what they do away from Lodge? How are we to even know?


Especially when most of the lackeys at the lodge are really just learning the outer shell rituals... the inner sanctum are a host to a bevy of ritual intoxicants which is the basis of the holy sacrament - usually intense pyschadelic tonics



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by kronos11

Originally posted by Baphomet79
As long as it does not seem to effect their day to day lives or their Masonic education who are we to say what they do away from Lodge? How are we to even know?


Especially when most of the lackeys at the lodge are really just learning the outer shell rituals... the inner sanctum are a host to a bevy of ritual intoxicants which is the basis of the holy sacrament - usually intense pyschadelic tonics


I thought it was all of you on the outside that were subject to our psychedelic tonics and we were the lucid ones?



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by AGANTER
AGANTER has determined your status as weak. Peasant? Time period confirmation needed^^

AGANTER would think that a Lodge, is a form of pole for you to ride? YES?


AGANTER, just out of curiousity, have you seen the movie rain man?




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