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"How can someone prove to you they have time traveled?"

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posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 10:58 PM
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malganis! Phew...

Thanks for your support. I'm enjoying the talk about time travel, etc.

It's very important, and I think it's been downplayed a lot. Too much...

There could be a discussion on so many aspects of it...and maybe there will be, but I am asking the question for my friend.

Maybe he wants to try to prove it someday...




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:09 PM
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Hey, Prote!!

You started thieving right off the bat. Just wanted to note that,



Someone mentioned the video evidence and a vast quantity of jesus etc. I think I'm going to steal half of this idea and not the Jesus part for a whole host of reasons.


hehe

You suggest,



I assume a futuristic recording device that I also assume would be able to be played on the available media in the present....So you take a city, say New York. One with a lot going on, a lot of history and well known throughout the world. You take the camcorder and strap it to your head so it records everything you see...You then proceed to take a tour doing anything and everything. Whilst doing it you would narrate the video, explaining things or the differences in a logical and easy to understand manner, continuously. Take in as much as possible and explain as much as possible.


So you're saying to travel to the future New York and use a future recording device (video camera) that you can market and spread via the Internet, as well as pass on to major media and film for hours and hours...

It's a good idea, but I wonder, again, if it could be faked. You seem to think that just by the sheer number of hours of footage that it would be more and more impractical to fake, hoax, or CGI all of that footage to someone watching it...

I default to the hoax thing on video and photos, but wonder what others think of this avenue...I kind of think our technology is at a place where this could be hoaxed...I don't know honestly...

Is there something specific in this future New York we could film? I don't know...

Thank you, Prote! (*cough* thief) hehe



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:13 PM
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Hey, kleverone! LOL

The Pit Bull's bad! You've provided indisputable proof!

Lorraine Baines: Wait a minute, don't I know you from somewhere?
George McFly: Yes. Yes. I'm George, George McFly. I'm your density. I mean... your destiny.

Peace!!




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:23 PM
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Marilyn, (Ms. Monroe)!

This seems an excellent idea,



Set up a bunch of news reporters with cameras...allow as may people to view the event in person as possible...perhaps in a football stadium. Set up the time machine and send someone with a watch say 10 minutes into the future. For that matter use a dog like in the movie so everyone will realize the watch was not changed by human hand. The news reporters film everything including the return of the time machine and seeing the watches (clocks) are exactly 10 minutes apart.


I would say, you'd probably have to use/set up your own equipment (unless you could lure some of the local media there under false pretenses. I don't think they'd come out if you said you had a time machine...I could be wrong...)

For the sake of this experiment, let's add to it. Could the guy that goes into the machine (or girl...
) get something from either the past or future that was designated on the spot by the group?

OK, what if you had an impartial person(s) chosen by the group to select an item(s) that the time traveler was to get. Now, granted, we have the time machine here, and any one of this small group could step through, but this is being filmed - this is why we're doing the taped experiment instead.

But there's a loophole (a skeptic's dream) and that is, what if the people watching don't believe the group is "impartial" (i.e., not involved in it)? Then the people watching would think they were set up; that everyone was in on it...see where I'm having trouble?

However, what if this were a live program, or live on the Internet, and the viewers voted on the item the time traveler (you) were to bring back?

That item would be given to a control group (or person), and you go through and get it.

What would be left to figure out would be:

1) Who was given the name of the item(s) (the person voted as "impartial")
2) What the item(s) was

Is there more? Am I missing something?

This seems a possibility...maybe too involved? It's late...LOL...

Thank you much, Marilyn!!! You gave us something new to chew on...



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:25 PM
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LOL JSR!

This truly is a selfless gesture,



what about going into the future getting the cure for cancer, coming back, give your self cancer, and then cure it?


Wow, you better be on the money with that cure! LOL

And you pose some more obstacles,



or would that be a miracle?


A skeptic might like a miracle more than time travel...



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:32 PM
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Hey, WarLokK!

You said (and I think someone else did too earlier...is this really a good way?),



1- i would give the dates of the next 5 upcoming thunderstorms
2- i would note the exact time lightning goes (timing it to the second)
3- i would take note of where lightning struck on the ground (if there was damage)


You also said,



Now when you give someone the exact day of a storm, the exact number of lightning strikes to the second and also where they hit the ground (if some damge was done)...well, that would go a long way to proving time travel for me...There is way too much randomness in a thunderstorm for someone to be 100% right about the numbers of lightning strikes (to the second, mind you) in a storm i think...


I'm not sure what I think about this. Would this prove time travel specifically?

I agree that lightning strikes appear random, but I wonder if someone could...well, they couldn't predict several lightning strikes in a row, and it's not like playing the lotto (or it seems a little more reliable as proof)...

If I walked up to you, told you where and when the next four strikes would hit, would you really think I was able to time travel?

I don't know...I'm sure someone will chime in. Someone did mention this before...

Thank you, WarLokK! By the way, watch where you're standing...OK, I'm kidding. Was that a bad joke? I'm tired...LOL

Thank you, though. We'll see what the jury thinks..

I'm out until tomorrow (Saturday)! Thank you, everyone, for adding your thoughts. There is a really good picture here of how you all see this...

But I still don't have a method of proof for a large number of people...The search continues...

Peace, OTD!



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 12:22 AM
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DNA is the answer - though not that of Jesus.
Jesus' soul was what made him miraculous, not his DNA. Besides, there is nothing to compare that to to prove that it actually is the DNA of Christ - dude had no children.

BUT... if someone where able to come from the future and give a convincing enough story that the parents of a child (someone who is currently too young to have children of their own) to have a DNA test performed and prove that he was the child of the child - that would work. The tests could be carried out quietly until the traveller decided to reveal the truth - most likely through some form of mass media - I am thinking a talk show like Oprah, she has a world wide audience. The scientists can back you up and the tests can be duplicated.

Clones would work in the same way - their DNA would be identical to that of the traveller, siblings, even fraternal twins have different DNA, clones do not.

It only takes a few days or weeks for a DNA test to be conducted and would absolutely prove that you are telling the truth.

Once your identity is established you can move on to predictions of events or whatever it was you had in mind by coming forward in the first place.


kix

posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 01:00 AM
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Let say I am a time traveler, I go with you and tell you, obviously youd think I am nuts so I tell you I will have proof.

So you give me your great grand father address and I promise to come back with a photo of him with me in front of his house holding a newspaper of that year.

I go I take the pictures and the picture with your great grand father.... proof enough...



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 08:13 AM
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Esoteric, you said,



I see many ways suggested in which time travellers could provide proof that they have traversed time.


You're right. There are a lot of ways to definitely prove you have time traveled to one person.

It may be possible to prove it to a slightly larger group, although without taking each and every person into the time machine, you have "evidence" that must withstand intense scrutiny, or at least hardened skepticism.

Part of the reason for wanting to prove this to a larger number of people, is that this is your purpose - to get the truth, unobstructed, to as many people as you can.

I guess there's something to say for those numbers of people needing an open mind, and being able to accept the possibility before anything you provide them could be "believed".

Everyone reading should think about that when they are provide with evidence of some form. Keep an open mind. Don't come to an immediate conclusion, either that what you are being told or shown is either fact, or is a lie.

It's important to enjoy a balance - a median position - of "it's possible". It's all a lot more fun this way, and you will learn things you never thought you could.

Esoteric, you also said,



Something to keep in mind though, is perhaps timewalkers/timetravellers would not feel any need to provide proof, perhaps they would NOT want or need to be known as time travellers....


It depends on which one you're talking to LOL The government and cultural system in the United States is a very controlling, deceptive, manipulative and oppressive system. A lot of people "enjoy" systems like this around the world.

However, this system does not necessarily extend beyond Earth. It's a freer system out there, and there is more of an element of "play" than in the strict, and rigid system that exists down here.

You have to wonder why there isn't more of an element of "play" and freedom down here...We don't even have access to information - the "real information; truth...

You could be right for some, Esoteric, that they don't need to prove anything. Anyone within the government (or secret government) who has access to this sort of technology certainly has no reason to "come out" about it...

You said,



Perhaps it is in our best interests, and theirs if they remain ambigious and/or unseen.


It's never in our best interests to be kept in the dark. We need to know what's going on. There is no reason to keep information from the free and independent race of human beings on this planet. None.

However, if there were such information, as the construction of certain weapons, that made it onto the street, then you might, might consider withholding that. But you also need the right "recipient" to put that information to use, anyway.

I think, though, that the "system" - not ours, but the larger system, allows for much, much more information exchange. Our system right now just happens to suck.

I am still hoping for some infallible proof techniques for large groups of people - the more the merrier, because that's why we're here.

All of the ideas have been great, and I've been a prick countering them, so thank you for continuing to post them.

There's another facet, or aspect of proof too, and that is what you do after you've presented it. What happens next?

Now that you've proved to any number of people what do you, and everyone else, do next?

To me, the point is to get the truth to as many people as possible in the quickest means possible. The fact that things have been concealed for so long, means there are a lot of people waiting for that information. GET IT OUT!

How long can the truth last, or how far can it go, when you have "blockers" keeping it from reaching people? Not long now...

We have a lot of whistleblowers, ex-government, ex-military, scientists, air traffic controllers, members of government, etc., credible people, coming out with the truth more and more. There are also people that don't have the established credibility of these individuals, regular joes, who are also getting the truth out.

This movement is going to continue, and it's necessary. Everybody is playing their part.

I would still like to see if anyone can prove to a thousand people that they traveled time. And if you are having a hard time, think of a regular guy who's had this experience and see what he might be up against.

Also, once this information gets out, there has to be an advance to the next level. You can't just enjoy "getting the truth out". You have to take action.

It's pretty much pointless to try to prove this to people until you can back it up, not just with convincing evidence, but this revelation should be part of a larger movement. Otherwise it's a pleasant story, but convincing a lot of people of something creates a stir, but in our system that can die very quickly...

So, that's my follow up...Thanks, again, Esoteric!!



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 08:17 AM
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Implosion, hey!

You said,



The first thing that sprung to mind was a coin. Bring back a coin minted at some point in the future. Easy to find, hard to fake. It would only need to be from the year after the traveler arrived.


This is something that could be faked, though...

Part of my thought on that is, it would show some sort of "new" stamp, or imprint with a future date, but how could our current government prove that it was from the future?

They wouldn't have an existing stamping process against which they could compare the coin...And they wouldn't know what seal or image they may be using at that time, so they may just think it's a cool looking coin...

Future money is always a problem as far as proof is concerned for the reason that it can be faked...I think people would be more skeptical than you think...

Thank you for your idea!! (sorry to whiz on it...it still might work...)



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 08:31 AM
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Hey, mrwupy!!

You had an excellent suggestion!!

You said,



Give me a memory. Travel back in time and find me. Get in my face and say, "I'm from the future and you have to remember this moment cause you will meet me in twenty years and i'll look exactly the same as I do now. I do this to prove to you that I am a time travelor."


I have to tell you that this is one way - in a slightly different form - that someone has used to instill a recognition into another.

You brought up the excellent point of using the machine to meet that individual earlier in their life, having them remember you (or try) and to see them again twenty years (or however long) in the future.

Now, in the case of a time traveler, he encountered a man who the traveler knew was going to, say, be hit by a bus. What the traveler did was to get the man's attention just before the bus was going to hit him, so the bus safely cruises by.

However, the problem the time traveler encountered when traveling back to the future to meet the man again, was that the man didn't remember the incident. There wasn't a strong impression made, because the time traveler just talked to the man, and the man just wasn't hit.

The time traveler then went back in time to the same spot. This time he let the man step onto the street and just before he gets slammed by the bus, the traveler reaches out and grabs the man and pulls him to safety. The man, later, remembered the incident, and the time traveler.

You have a point, mrwupy, that has been put into practice, and effectively.

This is something that would prove you traveled time to this man, no doubt. And how could this be used for a larger number of people? You'd have to travel a lot, but all of the opportunities might not be there. So you've got a lot of work to do...

Another thing you can do, which I think I mentioned earlier in this thread, is to travel to the past (or future), listen to an exchange by a group of people, write down everything verbatim, then travel to the immediate past (just before the conversation) and hand someone the piece of paper you just wrote the conversation down on.

The person you handed the script to will not look at it, nor will he show it to anyone else until the conversation is over, or the time is indicated to open it...something to keep it from affecting the conversation (this has been done).

When everyone looks at it it will be the weirdest thing they've ever seen. Someone just handed them a script of their extempore conversation.

There are any number of variations on this, and you can make this so it reaches a larger and larger group of people.

Thank you, mrwupy, for thinking outside of the box!! It's a great point that you can use the time travel itself to get your message out in any infinite number of ways...



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 08:43 AM
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origin!!

Another excellent idea!! LOL

OK, you said,



Instead of focusing on the future I would focus on the past. knowing the present I would find a famous photo from the history books or whatever and make my way into but to the point where I stick out nicely and can be easily idenified. Also if I was really worried about proving it was me wear a piece of clothing the was from this era...


You furthered your thought,



maybe a picture of me and einstien in his patent office with nike cap on...chances are it will end up in some book printed well before I was born...the cap will go unnoticed most lickley till I point it out so somone cant say its just somone that looks like me....


OK, origin. This is good! Setting aside that the photo could be faked, I wonder if there's a way around that...

Let's go deeper into the mechanics of the photo, and how the photo is handled...

First, I would say to pick a famous photo that now exists and choose that as your "entree".

Let's say you travel far enough back in time that you become a close friend of Einsteins - or at least you have access to him where you might appear in a photo.

Befriend Einstein would probably be difficult and tedious - the long way around. You don't want to spend all of your "proofing" time chit chatting.

So I would say just making yourself familiar enough that you would have access to this location, AND would be in the photo with Einstein (if there's another guy in the photo you choose, you can create some distracting event, so it's just you an Einstein - OR, you can just make sure you're in it and clear enough to be recognized).

I would suggest, since you've probably just left 2007, hopped in your machine, traveled back for a photo and returned here, that you could wear a "Britney Spears" t-shirt (anyone can feel free to include their suggestions), and voila!!

Your photo would make it into the history books and THAT would be hard to debunk! Origin, kicka** idea!!

Anyone want to add to this thought? That's pretty cool (and funny)LOL!!

Thanks!!



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 08:50 AM
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WarLokK, I totally missed your second point I was rambling so much (it was late and I was crosseyed).

I haven't been able to totally debunk the lightning theory, but those flashes are also ephemeral. You could videotape them to show them to a larger group, but people might think they were CGI'd.

You could definitely have an assembled group and a microphone, that would be pretty cool. But I just wondered if there could be another explanation (in the mind's of skeptics) as to the reason you're able to predict those strikes...

I totally missed your second idea,



Coming from the future i would know this person i want to prove my time travel to so i would manage to get a drop of blood from her first child (that she would have in the future) and when that child is born i would get the blood "from the future" tested to prove that i had seen her child in the future.


The blood, though (I don't know much about that), but couldn't the blood (DNA) also be taken from the mother at some point (or in the hospital by a staff member who might be in on this)?

Also, that may be proof for the mother, but maybe not for a larger group of people, and that's our goal. If I took origin or Hank into the time machine, they would be impressed, but I don't want to leave you, or the rest of humanity in the dark.

I apologize for missing the second half of your post...Predictive stuff seems to be what a lot of people ask for when questioning time travel, but I think those people are missing any myriad other ways this could be proved to them..

People are making awesome suggestions!! They're covering almost everything you might consider.

Thank you for the two suggestions, WarLokK!!



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 08:59 AM
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yep but, what if britneys parents see that photo of you with her teeshirt, then the parents would have changed and britney may not have come to be the star she was today.

we do not know what direction the domino effect would have for something like that. for instance, even the smallest thing could change future in a big way. what if someone stopped the killing of that man that caused ww1, maybe he held him up, or one of his family were sick that day, and he did not go out, would ww1 of started, maybe so, but not in the way it happened.

you need to ask yourself about the domino effect, you just cannot predict all the outcomes, that even the smallest thing can do.

like for insatnce, say if you knew that your life may go in a certain way, and you may not like that. you may do something to see if you can stop it and turn it in another direction. the problem is that you cannot control all the forces that control ones lifes. changing your future may bring about just as much trouble then you thought the original way may of sent you. thats why i say we have half destiny ahlf free will lifes, things seem to balance out, but you cannot just say, if i did this, than it would have worked out like this.

look at the back to the future movie, it exaggerates how much one incident can change entire lifes, and send everything in totally different directions. remember how marty, just brought that book and thought that it would be just a simple thing to change the outcome of the future.

also if you have the sims, look at the posibilities on a small level one small decision could lead to. or another way to look at it, say if you go out tonight and meet the person you were meant to stay the rest of your life with, but say if you did not go to that place, how would your life change, it may go of in disatourios consequenses.

the problem about stuff in the trying to prove it by taking stuff from the future or by filming the future, is that if you show something to someone in the past, that may change the future. the only way you could prove time travel, is with going to the past, and not changing the past, or messing with it. that is why i said film 500 hours, of people in a language that no one but scholars understand today. how long would it take you to fake 500 hours of film, on cgi, and how would you get the dialects right, and all the people, and the right conditions.

[edit on 20-1-2007 by andy1033]



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 11:35 AM
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You said,



Re-membering experiences is the proof of and proof that time travel Exists. We all have what We refer to as "memory"...."Mental time travel" is the act of "re-membering"...If it can Be done in Our minds then it Exists all ready


You know, given that our minds are more than we can perceive, I would say yes, we all have the ability to time travel. We also have the ability to affect physical matter with our minds, but I don't have that training yet...


However, we can also physically time travel (right now with the aid of technology, but in the future the device may not be needed...).

Thank you, LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal!!



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 11:48 AM
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Esoteric Teacher!!

Hi!

You said,



I think our subconscious minds already have access to the answers to the questions we seek....Everything we create, we create with a shattered consciousness. We have a conscious mind, and a subconscious mind. So, although we are not always conscious of how our subconscious does have input into everything we create, our subconscious mind may indeed influence everything we create, to include language.


This is a correct observation. In Western psychology (and philosophy) Plato first used the parable of the cave. Later, Carl Jung, psychiatrist and student of Eastern Mysticism, asserted that our language, and the symbology we use to connect with the universe has its source in our collective unconscious.

We can talk about the Native American Indians, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc., and come to the same conclusion.

I think it's Tibetan Buddhism that states that the perceived world originates in the void, which gives life to everything.

That void also gives life to us (our perception of life), as well as our thoughts (including the thought of a self) and the senses that perceive a physical world around us...

Tibetan Buddhism, Jung, mysticism, etc., are only ideas expressed as words, and they are dead. They are no comparison to the experience of the reality of which they speak.

You added,



I am currently entertaining the idea that at least one species that is visiting us are ants or ant hybrids from another place, another time, and/or another dimension.


This is very interesting (again, we've left the question behind, but just for a second). I've read a lot about accounts of these beings, and there must be other species of sentient, intelligent life. This has to be self-evident.

Also, it is totally acceptable to believe that other dimensions and "times" are currently involved with our race on this planet, as well as myriad others.



I think our subconscious minds, or perhaps another mechanism within us, has encoded this idea into our very words .....


Someone has "upgraded" us, from the inside, or from the outside...We should know soon...or, as has been observed, it was indeed encoded as a message in our DNA (which could be the same thing as the first part of this paragraph)...

Finally,



Is Earth under Alien survailants?
Is the light of the world really brilliant and radiant?
When it is all said and done, perhaps we will see the evidants is consistant. And, yes, i think this may be very important.


We will see...when our world intersects (enter insects...? OK, that was a stretch...) I am on the lookout nevertheless!

Thank you very much, Sgt. John!!



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 12:04 PM
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ilandrah, you said,




DNA is the answer - though not that of Jesus. Jesus' soul was what made him miraculous, not his DNA. Besides, there is nothing to compare that to to prove that it actually is the DNA of Christ - dude had no children.


I've actually heard that Jesus was real, and that he did have children; that his bloodline continued, but this fact has been kept from us. How one could verify this I don't know.

Just realize that what you've been told as fact may not turn out that way...

Your next suggestion was,



if someone where able to come from the future and give a convincing enough story that the parents of a child (someone who is currently too young to have children of their own) to have a DNA test performed and prove that he was the child of the child - that would work. The tests could be carried out quietly until the traveller decided to reveal the truth - most likely through some form of mass media - I am thinking a talk show like Oprah, she has a world wide audience. The scientists can back you up and the tests can be duplicated.


Ah, this is a good point. You could travel to the future, get blood from a person, then travel back to our time (2007) and provide that DNA to the parents (and the child who gave birth to the person from whom you took the sample) on a widely telecast show.

Since Maury Povich (in the U.S.) seems to be daytime's father of paternity testing right now you could throw him a bone and you might actually get on...

I don't see an issue with that one so far, but there may be an expert in DNA testing that could debunk or explain the results away.

You also said,



Clones would work in the same way - their DNA would be identical to that of the traveller, siblings, even fraternal twins have different DNA, clones do not. It only takes a few days or weeks for a DNA test to be conducted and would absolutely prove that you are telling the truth.


Part of the DNA thing is the scientists could possibly be more convinced of this reality than the general public (i.e., people who don't understand DNA, or consider it fallible).

I mean, you're asking the public to believe that you time traveled, so will they believe that, or would they believe this child's DNA was just extracted from that child surreptitiously, either when the child was born, or at a later date...People can be pretty stubborn and disbelieving when they want to be...

There may be a workaround, or once you have the Maury stage, maybe you can pull a zinger on Maury...go one saying you want a paternity test, then pull a zinger on Maury...

However, excellent idea, ilandrah!! Thank you very much!!



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 12:09 PM
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Hi, kix! (never liked that cereal...haha)

You suggested,



you give me your great grand father address and I promise to come back with a photo of him with me in front of his house holding a newspaper of that year...I go I take the pictures and the picture with your great grand father...


This is the photo theory. It's a good one here for one person. You've convinced that person of the reality of this.

Another poster, I think it was origin, suggested getting in a photo with a famous person (Einstein) from our past. This would sway a large number of people if it worked out...

By the way, how would you honestly feel - what would you be thinking - if someone provided this proof to you?

Imagine someone walking up to you and starting a conversation. Then imagine this person telling you they traveled time, and that they met your great, great, grandfather (someone who had died before you were born even).

If they showed you the photo, would you believe them, or would you think they tracked down a photo of your great, great grandfather and manipulated it to pull a trick on you.

It's going to take a lot...

Thank you, kix!! The answers are out there...and soon they will be in here...LOL



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 12:19 PM
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Well graphics being as advanced as they are, a video tape would not suffice. (or should I say a blue-ray disc.
)

They would have to prove it to me in person...thats what I think its getting to in the world.

Kind of reminds me of revelations where it says that people's heart will be hardened.
The only people to repent are the ones that see, with their own eyes, the 2 prophets die and then rise.

Why is this? So much deception.
Somewhere on ATS there was a post linked to YouTube about software that did quite a job in morphing anyones face from a pic. (even old pics) With technology, no one will be able to believe anything they see.

You will have to do it in person, and even then, under scrutiny, because of the talent of the likes of Copperfield, Blane, etc.

I guess, I would have to actually experience it myself then I would believe.


Peace

dAlen

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posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 01:00 PM
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Hi, andy1033!

OK, you mentioned the Britney Spears t-shirt in the Einstein photo (maybe you could actually get Einstein to wear it in the photo LOL).

You said,



yep but, what if britneys parents see that photo of you with her teeshirt, then the parents would have changed and britney may not have come to be the star she was today.


I'm not sure how this would happen...

If it was a well known photo (of Einstein), and that photo was in the history and biography books for decades, then that t-shirt, with the name Britney Spears on it, might not be associated with someone from 2007 claiming to be a time traveler.

In other words, I could go through photos, videos, etc., find something I could use as a reference object or person, and claim that it was proof that I time traveled...

It's a good point, though. Moreso, what if one of Britney Spears' parents studied Einstein, saw this photo with the t-shirt, and decided to name their little girl "Britney"?

So there's a hole punched in this a a foolproof item of evidence...(sorry, Einstein, I have to take the t-shirt back...)

I read the next part you posted here, but I don't know if the thought is clear,



like for insatnce, say if you knew that your life may go in a certain way, and you may not like that. you may do something to see if you can stop it and turn it in another direction. the problem is that you cannot control all the forces that control ones lifes.


I think you're saying that you may alter one event, but then you have another event to contend with that was a consequence of altering the first event...

Someone may make the following statement about that, that changing the course of your "lifeline" may open up a new and "different" lifeline - in other words, a totally different reality.

However, I understand that, let's say you save yourself from a car crash, this fact only keeps you alive to continue on your own natural path.

In other words, I understand your thought process, that one change spins the whole enchilada out of control. But I think events (like johnlear said time was "compartmentalized" - I wish he had thought of a shorter appropriate word, because typing that is a "job" lol - I think events are to some degree compartmentalized).

Think of how much effect you have walking around the streets now. Imagine if you popped out of a time portal and punched yourself in the face, then disappeared again. What realities are torn apart by that incident? Not many, you get pissed off and want to kick your own a**, but that's about it.

I've been told of an experience where a time traveler traveled back to his own youth and encountered his own mother. The time traveler was in his mid-thirties, or forties, so he looked considerably older.

As a boy being visited, he was about five or six years old (maybe seven). He spoke with his mother on several occasions, and I'm not sure he told her who he was, but he definitely told her he was a member of the family (I may be wrong on that last item).

In any event, you may be asking what effect this had on the mother. Well, it seems, as far as I've been told, she faintly remembers these events. At times she seems reluctant to talk about them, and at others the events seem hazy. This actually struck me as a very natural and "real" way to respond to something like that.

So you never really know how things will go, but it seems when it's actually put into practice, the outcomes are easier controlled, or predicted than you might think...

You gave several fictional accounts, and these items are misleading to the extreme. They serve a purpose, but the purpose is not to offer technical knowledge, as much as it is to open the mind,



look at the back to the future movie, it exaggerates how much one incident can change entire lifes, and send everything in totally different directions. remember how marty, just brought that book and thought that it would be just a simple thing to change the outcome of the future.


And another,



also if you have the sims, look at the posibilities on a small level one small decision could lead to. or another way to look at it, say if you go out tonight and meet the person you were meant to stay the rest of your life with, but say if you did not go to that place, how would your life change, it may go of in disatourios consequenses.


God didn't write the Sims. A guy who wanted to earn a lot of money with an oversimplified life simulation game constructed a successful program.

You suggested,



the problem about stuff in the trying to prove it by taking stuff from the future or by filming the future, is that if you show something to someone in the past, that may change the future.


This is not the case. If you were shown a video of the future, say a war that broke out between China and the U.S., and you had video of bombs falling, people shooting each other, and news reports of Matt Lauer (from the Today Show, U.S.) narrarating the fighting, do you think people would think this was real or fake?

Secondly, do you think that China would watch the tape and change their politics, or end all aggression?

You have to think about reality. There is already very powerful evidence out there of all sorts of impossible phenomena, but how has that changed things? How has video of our own past (e.g., the Holocaust) changed things?

It's not that easy.

You said not to change the past, but to film it,



that is why i said film 500 hours, of people in a language that no one but scholars understand today. how long would it take you to fake 500 hours of film, on cgi, and how would you get the dialects right, and all the people, and the right conditions.


Linguists may be impressed, but they would be researching these tapes a long while before coming to their own conclusions. They may come to the conclusion that these people are speaking an ancient dialect, but how does that translate to time travel? Someone may have learned this language.

Also, if some linguists are convinced, can they convince the rest of us that what we're watching is legit?

Even further, if those powers that be who are trying to suppress information catch wind of such evidence you can consider it, and you, gone.

I understand what you're saying, however, if you follow these things through the process of exposure you come to some very real obstacles...



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