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"How can someone prove to you they have time traveled?"

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posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:04 PM
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do not think anything suggested so far, would get people to believe you were a time traveller.




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:06 PM
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The effects time travel would have can be speculated, or investigated for sure.

But for proof, you said,



Is there a way to prove it? Very probably. The irony would be the person from the future would probably have to bring the equipment with them so you can't be 100% sure everything is kosher.


So you're saying to bring the time travel technology and show it. This could work. I won't ruin it and say the military would swoop in and take it before it could be tested, but that in itself would offer credibility.

So, if the time traveler showed the technology and operated it people would believe. Could this convince a large number of people?

Can someone think of a reason that this would still be misinterpreted?

Jebus, I was thinking this could work, but if we spoke about "reality" where this technology could be stolen by whatever group, then is there a way to prove this without the technology itself?

Jebus, thank you very much for your post!!!

[edit on 19-1-2007 by OnTheDeck]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:07 PM
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It depends. If the theory of infinite timelines exist, then I would say there is no way of providing any evidence since the timelines would most likely be very different. IE on timeline A the BEARS win the superbowl, on timeline B New England wins, and timeline C might not even know what football is.

Only if the traveler is able to bring something back that is absolutely impossible in our timeline ie. a ray gun that turns water into wine or something like that.

A good question though.. Good Luck



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
So you're saying to bring the time travel technology and show it. This could work. I won't ruin it and say the military would swoop in and take it before it could be tested, but that in itself would offer credibility.

So, if the time traveler showed the technology and operated it people would believe. Could this convince a large number of people?

Can someone think of a reason that this would still be misinterpreted?

[edit on 19-1-2007 by OnTheDeck]


you would never get a chance to prove it works, you have one chance to show the whole world, and then your gone. time travel is something they would never allow for a lay person, far to dangerous.

how would you even get the story out before they get you. remember what ever prove you have hardly anyone would believe you, unless proved to them time and time again, people take alot of convincing. also being the fact you would be only human, that means there would be plenty of ways of getting to you, in this world you cannot keep secrets anymore, if they(the government) want them.

[edit on 19-1-2007 by andy1033]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:23 PM
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You said,



you originally asked how a traveller could prove it to you. I think the answers given by everyone would be sufficient to convince an individual.


We could probably convince an individual - if everyone agrees the items mentioned would prove it to them, then we can say that it's possible to prove it to one person.

What about a great number of people? I don't want to play with the parameters of the original query, but I asked if it was possible to prove it without using the technology itself.

I'm partly asking that, because if this became a reality, it's very possible this technology would be taken before adequate proof could be provided.

You furthered that, saying,



In taking that original question to the next step, how does the traveller prove it to the world, well, doing the same thing on a vastly public scale. Media outlets etc.


You would have to get the "right" media entities to cooperate, which means you would need to convince them.

In our very real case, it would take a lot to convince the media for several reasons, one of which is that I believe our current media is controlled by those who wish to keep certain things from reaching the public on a large scale - and this would be one of those things.

You said,



a text book with exact ocurrances would not be open for interpretation. Let's say the book had a section on the natural disasters. Would an earthquake in japan with a 9.0 magnitude be open for interpretation? What about a tsunami or a class 6 hurricane with specific dates for when and where it hits?


A large scale earthquake would not be in dispute, but the foretelling of this event could be done by a seismologist, a psychic, or someone in contact with spirits or ETs (if you believe in the latter two), so you need to be careful. This again could show something else beside time travel.

You also said,



Could you say the Mets might not have won 3-2 in a game? Could you say that, while the Richter Scale read 9.0 for the earthquake in Tokyo on the 20th of February, 2007, the actual date, location or magnitude are open for debate?


Again, the events could be predicted by other means. This leaves a loophole. Even if the exact date and magnitude were predicted, it could still have been by a psychic, etc., and someone seeing this may interpret it as such, or a lucky, but educated guess. This is not something people readily accept.

Finally,



More curious to me would be how could someone go back in time and then return to prove it.


You could conceivably go far enough back in the past that you could prove it. No one has brought anything up from the past. Maybe you've just opened the door. lol

What about info on the Shroud of Turin? What about a photo of Christ?

Thank you again, Crakeur!!! You're on task, my man!



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:24 PM
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Not sure how someone ELSE could prove they travelled through time, but I proved to myself that I never would.

If I was going to travel through time, I would have went to my sleepy little home in my sleepy little town on New Year's Eve in 1999 and I would have placed my ID card in my mailbox to be found by the present me the next day.

Seeing as this never happened, as no tracks were left in the snow, I proved to myself that either..

I forget my promise to myself...

or..

I never get a chance to time travel...



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Frakkerface
Or if we went back now & bought some proof back, like a signed picture of Ra or something...


Haha now that would be worth a bomb! How much do u reckon you could pull for that on Ebay!?

But really, if time travel was destined to ever exist, don't you think we would know by now? Because someone in the future would have come back to say the year 2000 and proved it or at least made an official claim?

Or maybe there is time travel in the future but there's some reason why they don't want to let us in the present know about it. Probably because the state the world is in at the moment, it would start a world war to get hold of the technology.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:31 PM
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ah alas the paradox of time travel...if you go into the future or go into the past...then you have already changed it, just having ur pressence there is time altering. betting money on or showing events in the near future may prove it but after the first event or so its bound to drastically change. i will give an example of your pressence in that time changing everything, (also all this time travel could consider being related to other dimensions or parrell universes) in the british show Red Dwarf thats on tv, in one episode the go through time to when JFK was shot, they happened to appear in the room where the sniper was about to shoot, accidently the sniper falls out the window without them realizing it, thus JFK was never shot....though thats just a fictional example, but i think u get the point



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:32 PM
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going back in time and photographing historical figures wouldn't be definitive proof because of the look alike factor.

however, if you went back in time, etched a message in stone, say "crakeur was here, 01/19/13000000 bce" and then took the media to the location and said carbon date this please, you'd have your proof.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:32 PM
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even though i do not listen to c2c that much anymore, i remember one comment made by a listener ringing into those time traveler nights they have. he said that the government may have satelittes to detect such a break in reality or gravity shift or something, that the certain energy involved in the process would be detectable, from space by satelittes.

so we would never know if someone had created some time device, but because of the energy used, it would be detecable, and the nsa or something would be round your place asap, to pick you up.

Crakeur - people question carbon dating, you see you will never be able to get everyone to believe, not without showing equipment on tv, doing the time thing and coming back to them, which is something that would never be alllowed.

[edit on 19-1-2007 by andy1033]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:52 PM
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andy1033, you started,



i think time traveling may have an effect on the collective. like if you time traveled and only changed your life, how would that effect the human mind collective.


This is about the effects of it. Hopefully it would affect our consciousness in a positive way.

My understanding of the effects of time travel is limited, but I understand that although things can be affected by altering events when you travel, the world altering, molecule-exploding stuff is wild speculation by individuals who don't have practical experience doing this.

Not that I do, but in my experiences researching and speaking with people, I'm finding that the effects one has on events when they time travel are about equal to the affects you have in your world right now.

It's not a situtation where you meet yourself and explode, or you talk to someone and a ripple changes the fabric of our reality. It's actually a lot more practical and workable apparently. But I'm not an authority...

You said that,



experiences that only include you do not matter, it is when we interact with others that true memories occur, so how would all that change.


How or what do you mean here? Human memory is a funny thing. But I think you mean we effect other people by being "introduced" into their consciousness, then I agree. It seems you have a theory.

You follow that up,



i believe each and every one of lifes are half destiny half free will. if you change one bit in your life you may not change your destiny at all, your life may have a way of balancing out what was supposed to have happened.do not try to think to linear, when i say destiny, we can all get to the same point, and go in many different directions.


This again, is going a bit off topic on the effects of time travel...destiny, if it exists or not (and what form it takes), as well as how time travel would affect it, is a whole other topic.

Not that it's not equally interesting, but I want to stay on proof. At least, if you've offered what you want to prove it to "individuals" how do you get the larger proof out?

You suggested that if an athelete, or team received a prediction on the outcome of a game that it would affect their approach to, or thoughts about a game.

This is off topic still...We can start another thread on it later..Thank you for your ideas on this. There is a lot tied to time travel, but for this thread I want to keep it focused.

I'll keep reading if you keep posting. lol

Thanks a lot, andy1033!!



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:55 PM
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A paradox within a paradox.

Personally I don't think time travel is possible. At least to the past. The reason for this, is that it would be impossible to go back let's say one year in time. If it were possible, that theoretically I would be able to meet myself.

Now suppose I did meet my past self, and did'nt like him and killed him. Since I am still me, and the only me, I would be dead, and could not be here in the future to travel back in time to kill myself, because I would already be dead by my future self's hand.

Kind of like a catch-22.

Perhaps travelling forward in time would work, with no such conflicts. But of course, we would never be able to return to "now".


So no, I don't believe it is possible to prove time travel.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 12:56 PM
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Hi, apex!!

You offered the following,



The way they would prove it, in my mind would be perhaps if they bought back a living Dodo, or another creature that we have made extinct, like a Mammoth.


Could you get this thing in the machine? lol Bringing a prehistoric creature would prove it to you, huh? Maybe if you were sent back to wrangle the creature and stuff it in the machine.

Speaking practically, this might be a monster task (hehe). It might be easier to bring an individual back to see the dinosaurs rather than the reverse.

But I will let you comments stand. You'd like to see a dinosaur brought back to the future. OK.

I would actually like to see that...

Thank you, apex!!!

Crakeur - the CNN comment! lol

[edit on 19-1-2007 by OnTheDeck]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:04 PM
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I suppose a dinosaur would be better, as we can't have any chance of cloning them like we may be able to a mammoth. Maybe a small one would be best.

that is probably the best to me, although an accurate prediction/knowledge of a forthcoming natural disaster (probably an earthquake, as they are hardest to predict).



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033Crakeur - people question carbon dating, you see you will never be able to get everyone to believe, not without showing equipment on tv, doing the time thing and coming back to them, which is something that would never be alllowed.



sad but true. Time to come clean. I am from the year 3991. I did go back and I drew all kinds of cool things in caves but your "scientists" somehow decided that those monkey men from the caves had the ability to do that. Hell, they think those morons figured out how to make fire. They didn't. It was me. They all went nuts when I lit a cigarette so I figured I'd show them how to make their own fire.

I also visited a guy who told me to call him Joe. He loved hearing my stories of the history of our planet, which was all so strange and frightening to him. He took uncountable pages of notes on these stories of what was to come for his people and he then published them. He couldn't read his own writing tho and mangled many of the names of the people I mentioned. He did mention me somewhere when talking of a great divide or fissure. I guess Crakeur translated into large crack or something. I later learned that Joe wasn't his real name. It was actually Nostradamus or something like that.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:05 PM
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Most things suggested have been pictures or extinct animals, that sort of thing. Pictures can be faked and animals can be cloned.

I think the only way time-travel would be proven in my mind, is when I meet myself. There would be NO doubt if you met yourself from 2 days in the future. All you have to do is wait 2 days and see if the meeting goes as you remember it. Wait a minute, what if you tried to make your meeting with yourself different than you remember? What if you kill your self when you gobacjh[feelewl;o............Ouch, My brain just broke. Thats why I like Titors model of TT.

It would be easy to tell a clone from an actual "you" due to the fact the clone would not have your "life" and experiences.

Kind of like Bill and Teds excellent adventure............(Iknow, lame movie reference, but it works.)

[edit on 19-1-2007 by Tiloke]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:05 PM
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I was going to post your comments entirely in the first paragraph, but I'll post the first part, so we're on the same page,



...if you betted on that horse (and presuming you wouldnt have betted at all otherwise), the act of you betting would affect the odds, you would win money etc...the future would be different, not just your reality but the reality of the whole world, for example, you would have the winnings (possibly a lot) so you would possibly do different activities than you would've other wise...


You are talking alot about certain people's reflections on the effects of time travel themselves, and not specifically the method of proof.

Back to the Future presents a fun and interesting, but possibly not factual representation of how things would actually work. Everyone plays with their limited understanding of scientific theory, but are filling in a lot of the blanks with imaginative theories.

But back to proof, you did have an interesting point in there (the first paragraph) and that was that if you predicted something, merely the fact that it seeped into peoples' consciousness might cause them to question the event when it later came to pass. They might suspect they, or someone else, had an influence on the event.

Keeping the envelope sealed in this case might support this type of predictive evidence...

Thank you, Frakkerface'!!



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:06 PM
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best way is to take them to the future and back with you .



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:12 PM
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andy1033!

See you bring up a good point,



you would only have one chance to prove it, as the government(nsa) would be down on you in a flash.


This is a serious consideration. You need to make proof widely available, and there's a chance you'll get shut down. That's why bringing an item is risky, because it could get taken - YOU could get taken.

So proof may need to be provided anonymously, or at least anonymously at first...

andy, you mention horse races again. A lot of people are stuck on the outcome of sporting events (or the lotto), and this may be in large part because this stuff is in movies.

You also mentioned 911, but plenty of people, in one way or another, predicted that event. This is an example where our time traveler would actually be lost in the cacophany of predictions...

I'm trying to think how proof could be broadcast now, before the military or government snatched you, or your device up (or your pterodactyl lol).

Keep it coming, andy1033!


JSR

posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:14 PM
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hey OTD.

how do you prove it? easy.

the stock market.
(sorry if someone else has posted that)

it takes, so many years and study of a paticular industry to even predict a range that a stocks price would fall. to pick a closing price exactly would be so very difficult.

if you say, picked 3 different industries, and five different price closes of five different stocks, you have 15 total prices closes, for say, five days in a row.

if you could do that, i would join your revolution, no questions asked.

thanks.



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