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"How can someone prove to you they have time traveled?"

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posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 08:38 AM
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Thank you very much for your thoughtful response!!

I don't want to derail the thread, but will just cite the most important point you made,



What man owns dominion over the truth? Point him out, and i'll go there.


No man. Period.

The false truths that have been fed to people on this planet, and those that fabricated these falsehoods will be brought to the light of day - in a very real and unforgiving accounting that will occur within the next one to five years.

The groundwork has been laid, and continues to be laid in the hearts and minds of everyone on this planet.

An acceleration is occurring that is a combination of natural processes and the combined efforts of good humans and ETs (and others) that is fascilitating this process.

The "show" in only going to get better and better as the days go on...

Buckle up!




posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 09:23 PM
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned as the thread is 10 pages now. Pardon if it has. This idea should work for time travel proof regardless of future or past time travel.

Simply activate your timetravel device, arrive at your destination and go find yourself. The two you's can go have a press conference and explain how you are both identical but yet of different ages.

Medical examinations would eliminate the idea of identical twins. The only other hurdle would be the claim of cloning which I'm sure scientists could rule out after some analysis.

With that said, I find it intriguing that this thread has grown to 10 pages. In reality, You could just submit your time machine and paper to the Scientific Journal and set up a demonstration to have your results verified by fellow colleagues. The proof is in the pudding or rather the entire phrase is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating," meaning that the true value or quality of a thing can only be judged when it is put to use. ("Proof" in this context means "the act of testing," rather than our more common "conclusive evidence" sense.)

There are actually many ways to prove one has the ability to time travel! Maybe that is why we are at 10 pages. If I wanted to convince the OP that I can and have time traveled, I would go a week into the future, by a newspaper and bring it back to him. When the date on the newspaper finally arrived, the OP could go buy one off the stand and compare. They would be identical. I could also go back in time and place personal classified ads directed at the OP so when he went to the library and looked up the old newspaper, there he would read a personal ad directed at him.
"OP, I told you I can time travel".

A time traveler could also go into your past and cause you to remember him. So when he came back to the present, he could ask you about the time you were 15 years old and some stranger handed you a check for a large sum of money. As the memory resurfaced and you recognized the stranger, you would realize that he has not aged.

An interesting question, OP. Kudos for that! You got us thinking lol !







[edit on 1/22/2007 by Jeddyhi]



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Jeddyhi
The two you's can go have a press conference and explain how you are both identical but yet of different ages.

Medical examinations would eliminate the idea of identical twins. The only other hurdle would be the claim of cloning which I'm sure scientists could rule out after some analysis.


I don't think it's that easy. Genetic matches don't necessarily mean you are one in the same person. A generational consistency would be well within the realm of possibility.



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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Hi, J and j!

Something along these lines (the future twin) has been suggested, as well as the newspaper.

Really, this thread has gone 10 pages because no one has found a fool proof way to prove to a large number of people they have time traveled.

I've kind of come to the conclusion that, because of this, we may have time travelers among us who have just not bothered coming out to the larger community. This may seem absurd, but I am open-minded to the possibility (Actually, I know of at least two individuals who claim to have time traveled; one of which is in the process of convincing me LOL).

It would be easy, as I think we have shown, to prove you have time traveled to one person, or a small group. But when you get to larger numbers, it just seems a very difficult thing to prove...at least it has here so far.

A lot of people have given ideas that they think might prove time travel to a large number of people, but you really have to ask yourself if the people you're trying to prove it to might be able to provide another explanation for the proof you offer.

An example was preditions. If you were to make a number of predictions that came true, would people think you had time traveled to get that information, or is there a possibility that they would think you had ESP, or some sort of psychic ability?

In other words, people would tend to make the most realistic, familiar, simple and likely explanation for the proof you are providing.

There are things that street magicians have done in front of live groups of people that would make people discount "magic" as well if you were to use that as proof...

We are still forging ahead. I have not come to the conclusion that it is impossible to prove you've time traveled to a large group of people, because as far as I'm concerned, the idea just hasn't been presented yet...

Keep those ideas coming...Also, if there's a time traveler out there who wants to weigh in please do...(hadn't thought of that...)

Peace!!



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
Really, this thread has gone 10 pages because no one has found a fool proof way to prove to a large number of people they have time traveled.


I disagree. You are not accepting any of the ideas presented to you. And many of them are fool proof.


I've kind of come to the conclusion that, because of this, we may have time travelers among us who have just not bothered coming out to the larger community. This may seem absurd, but I am open-minded to the possibility (Actually, I know of at least two individuals who claim to have time traveled; one of which is in the process of convincing me LOL).


I'm afraid I must disagree again. You state that you believe time travelers could be among us but are hesitant to come forward because they fear they will not be able to prove their claims. That is borderline absurd. I'm sorry for that, but a better word I could not think of lol. If indeed there are Time travelers among us, a more plausible reason for not coming forward would be to protect history and the timeline in which we all live. Can you imagine if modern day neo nazi's went back in time to WWII and gave Hitler critical info. If a neo nazi scientist gave Hitler the bomb first for example. Reasons like that would be a better and more understandable reason for a time traveler to remain anonymous and not push for his time traveling ability to be in the spot light.


It would be easy, as I think we have shown, to prove you have time traveled to one person, or a small group. But when you get to larger numbers, it just seems a very difficult thing to prove...at least it has here so far.


What would be the benefit of convincing a large number of people? Convincing the ones that matter would be sufficient, no?


A lot of people have given ideas that they think might prove time travel to a large number of people, but you really have to ask yourself if the people you're trying to prove it to might be able to provide another explanation for the proof you offer.


Approaching the scientific community and demonstrating time travel would be fool proof. Re-read my "proof is in the pudding" paragraph in my previous post.


An example was preditions. If you were to make a number of predictions that came true, would people think you had time traveled to get that information, or is there a possibility that they would think you had ESP, or some sort of psychic ability?


Why do you think ESP and psychic ability are more believeable than time travel? I do agree that predictions are actually not a good way to proof a timetravel claim. Bringing back someone that has died, Mother Theresa or Princess Diana for example would definitely get a lot of people listening lol.


In other words, people would tend to make the most realistic, familiar, simple and likely explanation for the proof you are providing.


Only skeptics would do this. And once you were publicly claiming to be a time traveler, I'm sure certain individuals from the scientific community would be more than happy to verify said claims and the technology involved.



We are still forging ahead. I have not come to the conclusion that it is impossible to prove you've time traveled to a large group of people, because as far as I'm concerned, the idea just hasn't been presented yet...


As far as your concerned? I have read many great ideas in this thread and some are very plausible. You are just not accepting them. Why I don't know. I mentioned the idea of going back in time and placing a personal ad in a newspaper. If you told the media to check the Chicago Tribune, January 22, 1936 evening edition in the personal ads and they found a message directed at them such as "This is to the press conference in 2007, specifically to the viewers at home watching their plasma televisions", You would definitely get attention from scientists and the public.

In closing I would like to wish your time traveling friend luck in convincing you lol. You have demonstrated in this thread that you are not open to much proof!

Mods- sorry for the length of this post and the multiple quotes. I hope this is not in violation of any rules.





[edit on 1/23/2007 by Jeddyhi]



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Jeddyhi
As far as your concerned? I have read many great ideas in this thread and some are very plausible. You are just not accepting them. Why I don't know. I mentioned the idea of going back in time and placing a personal ad in a newspaper. If you told the media to check the Chicago Tribune, January 22, 1936 evening edition in the personal ads and they found a message directed at them such as "This is to the press conference in 2007, specifically to the viewers at home watching their plasma televisions", You would definitely get attention from scientists and the public.


Now that is a pretty good one! A personal ad just might do the trick!

You are right in that we have all given pretty plausible examples. I think possibly Deck is being rebuffed upon giving many of these examples himself and is told what he is telling us (psychics, magicians, etc..) by this alleged time traveler. I.E. I could do that but any magician could provide the same effect.

At any rate, now the cat comes out of the bag! There is motive to this madness! Maybe Deck could fill us all in on the “time traveler” and we could all help to solve the mystery.



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 03:57 PM
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Hi, Jeddyhi!

First, I want to thank you for taking the time to post. It's clear you put effort into it.

I also want to say that we're on the page here, as much as you might think that's not the case. I've been playing devil's advocate, because I wanted to act like someone who would be impenetrably skeptical regarding the matter.

Ultimately, if you want to provide someone with proof of something you don't want there to be any doubt; you don't want to leave anything to chance. However, that's not to say that you won't be convincing to a lot of people.

If someone can think of another way to produce the evidence that you've provided them, then they're not going to be convinced of your assertion.

I'm a prick for doing it, I know.

You said many of the ideas are foolproof. This is an opinion, because in some people's minds they would not represent absolute, objective, irrefutable proof that someone time traveled (and I was only playing devil's advocate for those few people)

I think many of the ideas are great. I would, however, probably use all of them at the same time LOL just to be sure.


I think I was on a philosophical quest to find something that a skeptic couldn't argue away, or disprove.

It seems that what I've discovered throughout this thread is that evidence/proof requires a receptiveness in the witness/receiver. Evidence is, it seems, in large part a matter of belief as well.

Court cases require the prosecutor to prove to a jury that, for example, a person has committed a crime "beyond a reasonable doubt". This is not the same as providing objective, irrefutable, absolute proof. The prosecutor is actually trying to persuade the jury to believe in a certain version of reality.

If you believe videotape evidence to be irrefutable, then consider cases where video evidence is used. In the case of police brutality, some people watch the tape and see abuse, while others see "police procedure" (subduing a violent criminal, or suspect).

Also, if you consider video evidence to be conclusive and irrefutable, then consider ufo and alien video and photo evidence. If this is absolute, objective, irrefutable proof that ETs are visiting our planet, then why doesn't everyone believe this? Doubt. Good evidence leaves no room for doubt.

I'm a jerk for arguing this ad infinitum, but if you look at the responses I've given they should make sense. I'm not saying that these are not good ways to prove that you time traveled, I'm saying that there will be individuals who will see another way that your prove could have been manufactured. And I gave examples.

You also said,



You state that you believe time travelers could be among us but are hesitant to come forward because they fear they will not be able to prove their claims. That is borderline absurd.


I said it was absurd before you did.
I agree, for a time traveler to refuse to come forward because he doesn't think anyone would believe him is absurd. I would come out regardless, if exposure was my intention.

You made a good point,



...a more plausible reason for not coming forward would be to protect history ...imagine if modern day neo nazi's went back in time to WWII and gave Hitler critical info.


I was thinking about this one. I believe that time travel exists, and that people have, are and will be using it. If someone evil were to time travel and bring weapons to Hitler, this would be a very different world.

However, there's no saying that that someone didn't already try, and just failed, or that it was stopped before it was attempted (if you have time travel, then you have a handle on all of the possible ramifications as well; like technology to track the devices' use, etc.).

If you believe that time travel exists, then you recognize that the bad guys either are not successful in utilizing it for their own purposes, or they were successful in another reality, and we are existing in a reality (or on a time line) where they were stopped, or never attempted it in the first place...It's an interesting question...

You said,



What would be the benefit of convincing a large number of people? Convincing the ones that matter would be sufficient, no?


Everyone should be shown the larger picture in which time travel exists. This is the only thing we're trying to prove - that time travel exists; that someone time traveled.

The "right" people is everyone.

However, to help get this truth out to the right people (i.e. everyone), then it might help to have the aid of the media, governments, etc., but that is not necessary - it can't be now anyway, because these entities have this and more information and they have opted to keep it to themselves, so we will take it right to the people now.

You said in your first post,



...go a week into the future, by a newspaper and bring it back to him. When the date on the newspaper finally arrived, the OP could go buy one off the stand and compare. They would be identical.


Is it possible that I have a friend at the newspaper that got an advanced copy as he "arranged" it to be printed? Could someone think this as a possibility?

You also said in your first post,



I could also go back in time and place personal classified ads directed at the OP so when he went to the library and looked up the old newspaper, there he would read a personal ad directed at him.


Proving this to one person, again, is easier than one hundred.

You also suggested going back in time to visit the person, then come back to see them. Again, great to convince one person...

Bringing someone from the dead might be looked at as a clone, or relative, twin, or something by someone impenetrably skeptical (close-minded). For some it would be proof.

Your last idea was to go back in time and post a message in a newspaper in 1936 to a future person you're tying to prove time travel to and show the paper to them in 2007. Would this person think the paper was faked and printed in 2007? Is it possible to fake an old newspaper? Again, it's easy to convince one person, but a large number is harder.

I will say this. I am arguing, because I want truths like this to not only get to everyone, but to sink in.

Everyone took the time to post good ideas, and time travel can be proven to individuals, we've shown that much.

I love one of your last comments that "I am not open to much proof." I am more than you know...



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 05:47 PM
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There is no cat in the bag.

A friend asked me to post the question that opened this thread, and the question about the billion craft, which was another thread.

It was my friend's idea to ask these questions. I thought the idea of asking a question, instead of making an assertion, was a great way to get a good gauge of the current level of social consciousness.

Too many times people post confessions, or assertions and the thread devolves into an agitated dog pile of people demanding proof, or insulting each other.

This thread has gone 10 pages without one insult. And the thought people put into the evidence shows.

Sometimes in order to come to believe in someone, or find something credible, you have to approach the topic from another direction; a direction you might not have thought of. This is where the greatest insights come to us.

In the case of my friend, I won't be coy, he believes he is a time traveler. But believe it or not, strangers (some famous), friends, coworkers, and members of friends' families - numerous people - have brought the subject up to him before he even considered it a possibility. It would be accurate to say that the idea was somewhat forced upon him. LOL

So don't think you have an individual who stood up and said, "I'm a time traveler". But instead, you had someone say, "People have said this to me; people I know, and some I don't. And all of these people I take to be sane, grounded individuals."

Even some people he didn't know at the time came up to him first and said, "I know this guy who looks just like you. He came to me some time ago and told me he was a time traveler. Are you a time traveler?"

Does this sound strange to you? Remember the people who posted here who said, "If I wanted to prove it, I would travel back in time and meet someone, then have them remember me; then when I saw them again in the future they would remember me."

Well guess what, this apparently has happened. Not only that, my friend has met himself on a number of occasions.

This is only part of a picture that includes his entire life. He's had almost too many experiences to count like this, and in 1992, when he was 18 years old he had an abduction that lasted 6 days.

He was missing during this time, and his mother reported him missing to the New York Police Department. The day that he was "returned" he had a men in black encounter that creeped him out, but he did not have any memory of those 6 days.

To him, he had only fallen asleep at work. The incident was a mystery to him at the time. However, that same day, or the day after he had a friend remove a small, round piece of metal from just under the surface of his skin.

This was not the first time, and there were and are numerous occasions after that, where he has had at least one witness to this type of phenomena. Oddly enough, his wife has had the same type of experiences.

Five years later in 1997, this friend started having crystal clear memories of the events that occurred during his abduction. These memories came flooding back and he admitted he was drinking heavily for years as he tried to repress them.

Eventually, he told me, about a year or so ago, that he started to become used to the thoughts. He said he pretty much quit his nightly drinking and started to consider the reality he was trying to suppress.

Soon, he began not only researching the things he was remembering - and confirming the reality of these things on the Internet, but he was also reaching out to people to help get a handle on what exactly was going on.

This is where I met him (actually on ATS). I've been in contact with him since November of last year (2006), and I find him very credible. His story of abduction is actually very much like sleeper's (and many others I have read).

If this sounds strange, then good, your feet are planted firmly on the ground. However, if you are curious, there is much, much more to his story.

My friend is very open-minded about his experiences, but he also knows that, aside from the memories, that the very bizarre, very physical, and "witnessed" events in his life lend terrific credence to the memories he has - memories that involve not only our near future, but things that are unfolding right now.

I don't know if anyone is curious about this, or wants to consider the possibility of his story, but I am going to start a thread in the same spirit, entitled, "If you could ask a time traveler a question what would it be?"

In the spirit of "getting the message out", keeping this all in the public eye, and not overwhelming him, I think this might be a good idea.

I will send him the questions, and then post his answers so everyone can see them.

No idea how popular that thread will be, but if there are any posters, please be patient as far as waiting for a response. Lord knows it took me time to respond...

In the meantime, if you have a thought on offering proof please feel free to post it. It may be coming to a planet near you LOL.

Thank you very much for participating in this thread!!!



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 06:39 PM
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set up a meeting in a rural town/city with all the local news networks and a live audience with only an hours notice, not telling them the reason for the gathering.

5 members of the audience write down something on 5 different pieces of paper.

take the first with you 10mins into the future, come back.
take the second to the same point in time, repeat.

then there will be 6 of you, 5 handing back the pieces of paper, all recorded on multiple cameras, in different positions.

if done with little warning, being in the 'backblocks' the government would not have time to respond and stop/capture you (unless they time travel as well, and can see through your 'clever disguise').



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck

You said,



Perhaps it is in our best interests, and theirs if they remain ambigious and/or unseen.


It's never in our best interests to be kept in the dark. We need to know what's going on. There is no reason to keep information from the free and independent race of human beings on this planet. None.

To me, the point is to get the truth to as many people as possible in the quickest means possible.


(**Bold done by me, Esoteric Teacher**)

I've been giving these words some thought, and have a scenario that may be appropriate in order to demonstrate that perhaps we (humans) are not yet ready to know the truth.

you said:
"It's never in our best interests to be kept in the dark.
We need to know what's going on.
There is no reason to keep information ...
None.

.. the point is to get the truth to as many people as possible in the quickest means possible."

If we were to abide by these standards in everyday life and FULL DISCLOSURE was the norm ......

Then shouldn't we be teaching sexual education to kindergarteners and first graders?

Or is it in our best interest to keep them in the dark?
Do they need to know what's going on?
Is there any reason to keep this information from them?
Isn't it the point to get the truth to as many of them as possible in the quickest means possible?

Personally, i think we are getting the information as quick as possible. But, perhaps not everyone on the Earth is on the same page yet (or even in the same book), so in order to not leave any child of humanity behind those who do know move as fast as they are allowed to by the people they represent.

I concede i may be wrong, however i can't discount the possibility that we are not totally prepared to adapt to the changes that full disclosure would result in.

I'm not against full disclosure. I'm just trying to contemplate what the obsticles may be that stand in the way of full disclosure, aside from the popular "greedy power hungry corrupt government" theories.

Remove all negative reasons for not having disclosure, and what reasons are left? (a rhetorical question).

You may read this post and ask why this is not off topic.

I think it is not off topic because i believe it is possible that traversing time may indeed be one of the variables that is preventing full disclosure from happening. Perhaps our governments are not calling all the shots, but perhaps some future entities are influencing world politics and policies.

Just some thoughts i often ponder.
I thank you for your time,
john


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posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 09:19 PM
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Thank you for your idea!

As I see it, the five people who wrote something down will be the most impressed with this technique. Mostly, because the rest of the audience will have to believe that those five people were being honest, but also that it wasn't just a magic trick.

I've seen David Blaine have someone think of a name, and he's (I think) removed his shirt and had the name tattooed on his chest.

Also, the cameras would be shooting from different angles, but you can't be sure an audience watching this won't think it's some sort of special affect...

Yes, I'm the amazing debunking a-hole...Don't mean to be an absolute thick head...

GB, please don't take my dissection of your idea personally...I think maybe I've gone too far to discredit ideas...

I think I've made my point; although that wasn't my intention.

If you've seen some people on the street who are affected by Chris Angel, or David Blaine, you can see these looks of disbelief. Almost like shock.

It's interesting. It's like they've seen something they just don't have an explanation for and their minds go blank...It's stuff like that, as well as our current computer graphics technology that makes the real thing hard to believe...

Thank you very much for your post.



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 10:03 PM
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You said,



If we were to abide by these standards in everyday life and FULL DISCLOSURE was the norm ......Then shouldn't we be teaching sexual education to kindergarteners and first graders?


This is a matter of opinion. And I think you're comparing apples to oranges.

I DID make mention of something similar in the thread you're referencing, but simply teaching kids about sex (although there's nothing wrong with that) was not the point I was trying to make.

It's a culture, or society that was built on a shame-based and sexually repressed foundation that is afraid to teach their children about the birds and the bees. This is a perfectly natural act, and it's the way parents brought those children into the world.

However, having said that, it's a parent's choice to choose the age they feel their children should have this information. But if I were to ask you why one age was better than another, what would your response be? Your response would be a socially instilled response, because it's a socially created value that was taught to you. It's also personal opinion based on a belief system that is influenced by your immediate social environment.

As for disclosure, I think this has taken on a meaning of its own, and has drawn people's attention from the larger, very active picture of which we are currently a part.

Disclosure is a concept that has been overused and watered down to the point that it is almost meaningless. And the quixotic ideology that disclosure infers is not going to come to pass in a way implied by the term.

Disclosure to me is dead. It was dead when the Disclosure Project came about and vanished like a wisp of smoke.

There is not going to be an institution announcing anything, so it's time to put that baby to rest.

It's no longer necessary for our governments or scientific institutions to make moral, ethical and philosophical decisions on our behalf with regard to our place in this universe, because they have failed terribly in that regard.

It's now time for change to come from the ground up. This is the way change is made; not from the top down. And this change was inevitable.

What is "full disclosure"? It's simply a negation of all of the lies we've been fed about who we really are. And the liars are not going to come clean on themselves. Ever. So it must come from elsewhere.

Nature and willful "individuals" are going to bring to light what our government and social institutions will not.

Our government believes it has been calling the shots, but that false reality is going to come crashing down on them soon, and there is nothing they can do about it.

The whole notion of how our current social structure will change through disclosure needs to change. Our notions of reality need to change - and are.

Part of what's going to take people aback is the reality that comes to slap them in the face. If we were aware of the larger reality in advance, then we wouldn't be receiving such a shock by confronting it.

Waking up is up to us, but if we don't do it, then the living, breathing universe around us is going to "bring it". It's inevitable, and the bells are tolling.

Just because things have existed a certain way up until this point doesn't mean that they will continue the same indefinitely. In fact, it will not continue this way for long.

Disclosure will not happen as you might think.

Our notions about our reality are being altered right now. People are experiencing changes on a personal level, both emotional and mental. This is part of the physicality of the changes occurring.

I think the vehement rejection of war, oppression and the atrocities that our governments perpetrate are part of the sensitivity and awareness that is being created in people to the world around them.

Essentially, these changes are preparing people for the events immediately ahead, so that these changes have the utmost impact, and will take root deep within those prepared for it. This is both a natural, as well as intelligently guided process.

But the form that this process will take at its culmination is manifold. Part of what I've been told is that possibly at the end of this year there will be a sighting event in Pennsylvania that will come to draw millions of people.

This event is a precursor to a larger, mass landing event that will occur between that first event and 2012.

It's no use to say that we're not going to get a disclosure event, because we're getting it right now.

Too many people are looking in the wrong direction - at our government and scientific institutions.

You should be looking everywhere else, because there is a disclosure going on that pales everything occurring on our planet right now and it's going to soon become impossible to ignore...



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 11:29 PM
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Thanks for the warm welcome. Thats becoming a rarer sight these days



posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 07:20 AM
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Somewhat off topic, but I wanted to say I am very sorry to hear that.

A lot of people toy with the anonymity here, and treat this as a gladiatorial arena. LOL

For the most part, people are on here to share their thoughts and feelings, but many aren't "well" enough to handle conflicting, or dissenting views and their responses are often either juvenile, or insulting, or are interpreted that way...

It's very easy to walk away from your keyboard. A lot of people forget that...LOL

Besides, it's become crystal clear to me that we're all on the same team. We want the same thing.

Peace!!



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 08:29 PM
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Here is how I would do it:

Before I went back in time I would study up on famous people and just regular people and news people. Find out where they were born, where they lived, went on vacations, ate at, played at, slept at, etc. I would then go back to those specific locations and video tape these people with their parents or their girlfriends/friends actually participating in various activities or just laying in bed asleep.

After I returned to my own time I would send the footage to everybody I videotaped and post them all over the web and send it to all kinds of major news outlets.

It is a totally foolproof way to prove I was a time traveler. If a shoot some video of lets say, Wolf Blitzer from CNN when he was 15 years old, walking down the Atlantic City boardwalk holding hands with an ex girlfriend who is now dead. That would be great proof. How could I fake something like that, especially if he knows what I videotaped is exactly what happened that day?

Or if I videotaped Bush and his dad playing around in the yard when Bush was 5 years old and Bush fell and cut his knee and his dad put a bandaid on it. How would I know about this in order to fake it, especially if they lived in a secluded area and there is nothing showing Bush ever talked about this incident to anyone.

How about I find out some personal info on a moderator like where they lived and I go back in time and video tape them when they were 7 years old asleep in their bed or videotape their parents asleep in the bed. Things can be faked, but it will be extremly hard to fake how a person looked EXACTLY in their past and private moments they never told anybody about.

Another thing you could do is go back in time and plant hidden cameras in people's home and just get a daily record of their activities. Some might be embarrasing, but it would be proof you are a time traveller.

Just my two cents.



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by ozmorphus
Here is how I would do it:

Before I went back in time I would study up on famous people and just regular people and news people. Find out where they were born, where they lived, went on vacations, ate at, played at, slept at, etc. I would then go back to those specific locations and video tape these people with their parents or their girlfriends/friends actually participating in various activities or just laying in bed asleep.

After I returned to my own time I would send the footage to everybody I videotaped and post them all over the web and send it to all kinds of major news outlets.

It is a totally foolproof way to prove I was a time traveler. If a shoot some video of lets say, Wolf Blitzer from CNN when he was 15 years old, walking down the Atlantic City boardwalk holding hands with an ex girlfriend who is now dead. That would be great proof. How could I fake something like that, especially if he knows what I videotaped is exactly what happened that day?

Or if I videotaped Bush and his dad playing around in the yard when Bush was 5 years old and Bush fell and cut his knee and his dad put a bandaid on it. How would I know about this in order to fake it, especially if they lived in a secluded area and there is nothing showing Bush ever talked about this incident to anyone.

How about I find out some personal info on a moderator like where they lived and I go back in time and video tape them when they were 7 years old asleep in their bed or videotape their parents asleep in the bed. Things can be faked, but it will be extremly hard to fake how a person looked EXACTLY in their past and private moments they never told anybody about.

Another thing you could do is go back in time and plant hidden cameras in people's home and just get a daily record of their activities. Some might be embarrasing, but it would be proof you are a time traveller.

Just my two cents.
wow, you clearly described the meaning of "the watcher" to me, not a vouyer, just a watcher, like an angel, somewhere I said its like your your own angel in that aspect watching yourself, in the far future I think people watch it on the net like reality TV but IT IS reality, awsome post!!!



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 08:52 PM
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Thanks! But I think it is the easiest way to prove you are a time traveller. Imagine you get a video tape or dvd in the mail and you pop it in and you see yourself when you are 17 years old making out with your girlfriend (or boyfriend if you are a gal). Then the scene changes to you at 1 year old in the shopping cart while your mom shops for groceries. It would freak you out. I know it would me.

Proving you travlled to the future is harder, I think. One way I would do it and let the masses know is to somehow appear in Times Square on New Years Eve a few minutes before the ball drop and using some future communication system blare out to everyone including the news media the exact time and location something was going to happen the next day and even the names of people involved.

For instance. You know India gets hit with a 7.9 Earthquake on Jan 2, 2009 at 3:30pm EST. I Appear in Times square, the crowd quiets down because my entrance has to be dramatic (perhaps I appear hovering in a hover craft if they exist in my time) I wait for all the news people and cameras to focus on me and then I tell everybody that I am from the future and to prove it India will be hit with a 7.9 Earthquake tomorrow at 3:30pm. Then I disappear.

Of course there will be skeptics and people may chalk it up to Hollywood special effects and a prank, but then the next day the earthquake happens in India at 3:30pm and it measures 7.9.



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 08:53 PM
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You haven't answered the posts of the other thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

These 2 threads are combined.

What's going on here?



posted on Mar, 9 2007 @ 09:05 PM
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I gotta post this and it is totally true. I don't know if it has to do with time travel or not, but it really happened and I never forgot it.

When I was 17 years old (I'm 40 now). I was at the doctors office. I got on the elevator to leave and there was a female doctor in the elevator who jumped back and looked startled and asked me how I got down on this floor so fast. I didn't know what she was talking about and she told me that I was in the elevator with her and got out on the floor above the one I got in the elevator on. She asked if I had a twin brother and I told her no. She said the person in the elevator was a carbon copy of me and had the exact same clothes and shoes and glasses I was wearing. She scared me, but she sounded real convincing. I practically ran out of the elevator when it finally stopped and she just stood there with her mouth open in shock.



posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 03:00 PM
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I don't really believe in time travel; only in space travel!

How can one time travel? I have read articles about space/time and that it is possible to distort both, thus traveling faster than light ("folding space") but isn't this possible only in theory?

I have read bob lazars claims about distorting gravity waves and using element 115 to produce gravity "a waves" but I don't fully comprehend this! Could you possibly elaborate on this if you know any information?

Thanks




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