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New Hampshire man, Ed Brown, refuses to pay federal taxes - willing to fight for it.

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posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by mbkennel

Argh. It's settled law. The US Supreme Court has ruled on this a number of times, thanks to these bizzare tax protestors.

The income tax is 100% legal


Prove it.

This is what I come up with when I type in "Is income tax legal?"

From 1999:

Evidence strongly suggests that the 16th Amendment, which establishes the income tax, was not approved properly as required by the Constitution and was fraudulently ratified.

"If this evidence is true, the income tax is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people," says Robert L. Schulz.

Schulz is head of We the People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc., a New York state-based organization that hosted a symposium in Washington last week on the topic, "Are the Income and Social Security Taxes Legal?" The foundation twice sent registered letters to President Clinton, Senate President Pro Tempore Trent Lott, and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, as well as the Internal Revenue Service, asking them to send representatives to the symposium who could explain the government's case for the legality of the income tax. They received no response, much less a speaker, but part of the conference was covered by C-SPAN and that resulted in hundreds of friendly responses from viewers.
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From 2005:

With a set of tax laws so complex that no two accountants will prepare your return exactly the same way, it should come as no surprise that there is no one specific law you can point to requiring you to pay income taxes. The latest complete re-write of the tax code was in 1986.
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The best source that I've found that goes through explaining why tax protesters are wrong is: Tax Protester FAQ, which, after skimming through it, repeats the issue of ambiguity in the original wording of the Constitution. (This is, of course, not considering the fact that the founding fathers *meant* it to be ambiguous.. which leaves us in the mess we have right now.)




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:10 PM
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He stated the 16th amendment was unconstitutional because it contradicted Article 1 - 8 of the Constitution. He does not deny the 16th Amendment exists, he just thinks it is null and void.

Technically on a technicality he is right but it is obvious the federal government would not agree. The court only has as much integrity as the judge and jury have. Most people are brainwashed and would never question the IRS telling them they HAVE to pay income tax. He had a jury and judge with a lack of integrity to the United States Constitution. He got screwed.

It is obvious the IRS does not understand or care about the United States Constitution.

It is interesting that Utah, Connecticutt, and Rhode Island have never agreed to ratify(accept) the 16th Amendment as legitimate.

I am about a 3 hour drive from Mr. Brown and his fortress. Since I have the weekend off from college I will probably take a drive up to Plainfield N.H. for some activism and show my support and hopefully witness something great like seeing someone take a stand for the Constitution (the real Constitution not the diluted idea of one we have now).

[edit on 19-1-2007 by ImplementOfWar]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:16 PM
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ImplementOfWar

Please keep us all posted this may be something very very big. And be safe too.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:32 PM
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Mr. Ed Brown deserves a round of applause for taking a stand. The income tax is simply being used as a tool to suppress the masses and fund projects to suppress them even further. This guy will probably "commit suicide" or be labeled a "terrorist" and killed. We all need to take time to pass the information on to the people we know and open their eyes before he is silenced.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:37 PM
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In a curious twist, (or simply a reassigning of a site url, hehe) FoxNews is now running this on their front page at Foxnews.com. And here's article link:

www.foxnews.com...

So strike one me. Guess the government didn't shut em up...



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by BennyHill
Mr. Ed Brown deserves a round of applause for taking a stand. The income tax is simply being used as a tool to suppress the masses and fund projects to suppress them even further.


What exactly are your taxes used for?

For defence to preserve your right to complain about having to pay taxes
For medicare and other social programs
The roads you are going to use to get tot he guys house to support him etc etc etc etc.

Without a government in place we have nothing but anarchy at the worst or small pockets of people clinging together at best. Without income in the forms of taxes, all that goes away its really that simple.

This guy is like the people who refuse immunizations for thier children. Dependant on us to pay for the freedoms he enjoys :shk:



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:54 PM
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Aren't all those things are paid for by property taxes and not income taxes?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Fox has already pulled the story I believe... That fox link is not working... The last thing the government needs right now is for some huge issue to flare from this, so they probably already put out the word to kill it.


Doesn't cencorship bother anyone?

What is the government trying to hide?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
What exactly are your taxes used for?

For defence to preserve your right to complain about having to pay taxes
For medicare and other social programs
The roads you are going to use to get tot he guys house to support him etc etc etc etc.

Without a government in place we have nothing but anarchy at the worst or small pockets of people clinging together at best. Without income in the forms of taxes, all that goes away its really that simple.

This guy is like the people who refuse immunizations for thier children. Dependant on us to pay for the freedoms he enjoys :shk:


That is by far the biggest load I have heard in a long while. These taxes DON'T go to the things you listed. State taxes do, thats a different story.

Without Government we have anarchy, but how you connect no income tax to no government is beyond me on so many levels I can't even begin to explain it. So where was government before 1913? Did it just not exist, was it a figment of our imaginations. See the real truth of it is that without income tax, the government would be forced to scale down in size considerably and have to go back to tending to the bare rights it was suppose to protect when the constitution was made. They would have to resort to the basic protections that this government was created for because they wouldn't be able to afford much more.

Which is exactly how it SHOULD be.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:05 PM
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I applaud Mr. Brown and his efforts 110%. Finally there is an American with enough fortitude to stand up to the evil empire that is the I.R.S. and say hell no I will not pay these illegal taxes. The I.R.S. is nothing more than a state sanctioned extortion ring, they terrorize and ruin the lives of good people and hard working Americans and business owners every day. I feel that our tax dollars are grossly misused to fund black projects, to finance illegal wars, to cater to special interest and big business and to purchase $500 toilet seats and luxury yachts for the priveledged few who serve as our elected officials. Face it people, the bank has been looted, the system is a sham. Our government will spend $2 billion dollars for a new fighter jet and another $40 billion to send our sons to die in the dirt half way across the world, mean while our school systems are in shambles, our working poor are going under and our skilled jobs are leaving the country faster than we can even keep track of. God bless you Mr. Brown, I hope that you give them hell. Maybe someone will notice.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:09 PM
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"Most Americans would cower and cringe and raise their hands and surrender like a good little slave," he told reporters at his home this week.

"I won't. Under no circumstances. I do not tolerate cowardliness, oppression, bulliness, and I certainly don't tolerate a federal agency that has absolutely zero jurisdiction in my state, never mind in my county, in my town."


www.boston.com...

I wish him the best of luck, and if I could do anything, I would. I hope and pray he accomplishes what it is hes aimed at accomplishing. It seems rather unlikely, but I hope something becomes of it and he not die in vain if he does die.

It is time people start taking a stand against this.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:17 PM
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Who wants to go on a roadtrip?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:22 PM
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The Browns' case has found support on the Internet from militia members to libertarians and anti-tax groups.

Rick Stanley, a Denver-based Web radio host and a militia leader, urged listeners to join Brown at his home.

"We are continuing to ask patriots to surround Ed Brown's property and life with a ring of armed Americans with firearms and video cameras to protect a fellow American," he said. "This is the flash point. This is the time of raised pitchforks."


It appears some people are going to try to make a stand. They can't be serious...

[edit on 19-1-2007 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:28 PM
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ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I support this guy 100% he is going to make history! Well if it work out ok.)



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:29 PM
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I just saw the news report on tv about this. The feds are trying to send him and his wife to prison for a long time. They are planning to convict him in abesntia and begin seizing his property. I think in these trying times the fed's are making a big mistake as there are a lot of people in this country who are fed up with the way our government is being run. I hope this whole thing blows up in their faces and this revolt catches on. This could end up being the modern day version of the Boston Tea Party. If they break in and kill this man and his family like they did at Ruby Ridge we could have a full scale revolt on our hands. This guy doesn't sound like he is intending to go down without a fight.


apc

posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:39 PM
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Can we wait until after I pay some things off to start a revolution? Pleeeeaaase? It's really not a good time for me right now. Seriously, you guys...



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:42 PM
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"We the people" are being gutted and if things get out of hand they will steam roll an amendment thru to keep their money rolling in.

If I really felt they were doing right by us I would have no problem paying taxes but they just rape us of hard earned money every day and waste it. Of course that's not even enough so they take a cut of our lotto winnings and our inheritance, etc...Anything they can get their greed hands on! Can anyone tell me how in the hell the gov deserves a cut of your deceased fathers hard earned savings that he leaves to you? Or did they go down to the drug store and slap down half a buck and help you pick your lotto numbers? Give me a friggin break!!

I had heard about one senator that was upset because he couldn't afford 2 houses (mansions) with full servant staff! While the average American can’t even afford to buy a shack or pay rent and eat at the same time! How do they solve that? Oh! Raise the minimum wage! Of course it’s not coming out of their income; it’s screwing the small businessman! So they either go out of business, lay off people to afford the increase or make cuts to an already tight belt! So why be in business!? Oh but that $2 band aid put the finger in the dike long enough to shift attention elsewhere! We pad these gov officials’ pockets and they live the high life.

I think they should revert to the system whereby luxury goods and services are taxed at a higher rate and then have no federal tax. Then it would be a choice to lay out the money and maybe then the rich would have to pay out a little.

I know I sound a bit like a red neck yokel and I should have taken the time to research and articulate my position better but this boils my blood!



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by apc
Can we wait until after I pay some things off to start a revolution? Pleeeeaaase? It's really not a good time for me right now. Seriously, you guys...


Hey, that's the best time to have a revolution, IMO. Just make sure you're on the opposite "side" from those you owe money to. (Or the same side, depending on how exactly you want to handle it...)



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by El Che
ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I support this guy 100% he is going to make history! Well if it work out ok.)



I would have to agree with this statement 100%



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 10:00 PM
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I find it odd that there is no mention of this story on Infowars.
This seems right up Alex Jones alley.

I support this man as well.
Show me the law please.




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