I heard about that one, I was laughing hard to that, See Maliki is not very fond of the take over of Iraqi natural resources by the US, but the other side of his government does.

So the present administration will have our soldiers dying before pulling out that country without the goods.

And for the weapons, I wonder what kind of weapons, regular weapons or nuclear ones.

I'm sure the United States is interested in piulling out. Are they going to demolish the 4 U.S military installations they just built? I don't think so. I bet Lockheed etc find all this all very alarming.

The present administration is so hard headed that is not listening to the very strong message that the Maliki administration in Iraq is sending to the US.

He wants to be left to take hold of his country without US intervention.

But I put the fault of the decline of Maliki in Iraq and his problem holding the nation together on US private interest.

It is the private US interest the one that lobbying to the ones in the Iraqi government for support for US companies to take hold of the Iraqi oil that is keeping the government working divided.

As usual money corrupt and in Iraq . . that things are not so peachy money is going to make any less scrupulous member of the Iraqi government sell their own mothers and daughters if they are given the opportunity.

People do not even understand the amount of pulling and pushing that our own Government is doing in the side of private interest that is one of the reason for the Iraqi government no been able to work together for an unified Iraq.

Here't the way I see it...

US invades Iraq for the Iraqi people.

4 years later they are in worse condition than they found it. Arguable 60,000 people have died since the beginning and they are mad because sadam killed 137 kurds for attemting to assassinate saddam. BTW, It is life in prison in the US just for saying that you want to kill the president.

There man Maliki finds out that he won't be able to have controll over the oil and now is being a thorn in Bush's arse.

Now Maliki says gt our and give us weapons to protect ourselves.

My message to Bush & company! Get out!

My concern is this, US says that they won't listen to Congress on troop pullout, but they rely on the generals on the ground in Iraq. Well the Iraqi PM who governs the country says get out and give us what it takes to defend ourselves and stop using the "but weapons will fall into the hands of terrorist lie."

~This is the most potent the smell of deception has been~


Bush's policies

AAC

We put Iran's pimp in power "Maliki"!

What did we expect, crowds cheering and flowers thrown at us!

The Iranians have already positioned military units inside of Iran, while the Maliki government looks the other way!

Look for a Tet Offensive this spring or summer!

Yikes!

Our great young men and women deserve better leadership!

God Bless them and don't trust Maliki!

Originally posted by mel1962

God Bless them and don't trust Maliki!

Don't let the propaganda let the your reasoning get confuse.

Malikin is a shiite just like the majority in the new Iraqi government.

He wants to use diplomacy with Iran, but Alas when he starts to use his powers as prime minister there goes The Bush administration getting in the way and calling Maliki too weak to be the minister of Iraq.

Then you got Cheney running to Saudi Arabia for help dealing with Iraq, but he forgot that the only people Saudi will help is the Sunnis that are getting kill in Iraq because Saudi is majority Sunni.

But now what is our administration to do to stop any probable chances of diplomacy with Iran?

Tag them enemies that wants to nuke Israel and take the blame from Al-qaida from killing Iraqis and targeting coallition forces.

This is not about the Independence of Iraq but to keep Iraq Dependant on US corporate capitalism to survive, rather than letting the country do what they need to do.

Where do you think all the money allocated to Iraq has gone.

Over 150 companies US base in Iraq and the Iraqi people are in poverty, unemployed and with menial ways to survive.

Because rather than hiring Iraqis they were bringing foreign workers to work.

Now can somebody tell me if this to instigate resentment or not.

The only thing that is in Iraq that is the most wanted commodity is their oil.

And that . . . is what our administration wanted to begin with.

I can see clearly, this administration has put the Iranians in charge to get the oil. They are intellectually shallow, selling out this countries security to fill their own pockets with gold!

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Here't the way I see it...

US invades Iraq for the Iraqi people.

4 years later they are in worse condition than they found it. Arguable 60,000 people have died since the beginning and they are mad because sadam killed 137 kurds for attemting to assassinate saddam. BTW, It is life in prison in the US just for saying that you want to kill the president.

There man Maliki finds out that he won't be able to have controll over the oil and now is being a thorn in Bush's arse.

Now Maliki says gt our and give us weapons to protect ourselves.

My message to Bush & company! Get out!

My concern is this, US says that they won't listen to Congress on troop pullout, but they rely on the generals on the ground in Iraq. Well the Iraqi PM who governs the country says get out and give us what it takes to defend ourselves and stop using the "but weapons will fall into the hands of terrorist lie."

~This is the most potent the smell of deception has been~


Bush's policies

AAC

A- Saddam did a lot more than kill 137 Kurds. That one charge alone was enough to get him executed quickly, which is what they wanted. He was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, and countless tortures, kidnappings, rapes, etc... as well.

B- A lot of weapons and equipment that have been given to the Iraqis, have ended up in the the hands of insurgents, so that's a legitimate concern.

That is not our problem. Iraq has a government there and we should now not be hypocrits and listen to them. The reason we're not is because they are their for special interest; militariliy, economically, selfishly.

Who cares how many he killed, that wasn't the point, but way to overlook it to point out an error. The country is in shambles now.

All you are doing is spitting out the same thing that FOAX News reports. Filter it with the actual facts my friend.

AAC

Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by mel1962

God Bless them and don't trust Maliki!

Don't let the propaganda let the your reasoning get confuse.

Malikin is a shiite just like the majority in the new Iraqi government.

He wants to use diplomacy with Iran, but Alas when he starts to use his powers as prime minister there goes The Bush administration getting in the way and calling Maliki too weak to be the minister of Iraq.

Then you got Cheney running to Saudi Arabia for help dealing with Iraq, but he forgot that the only people Saudi will help is the Sunnis that are getting kill in Iraq because Saudi is majority Sunni.

But now what is our administration to do to stop any probable chances of diplomacy with Iran?

Tag them enemies that wants to nuke Israel and take the blame from Al-qaida from killing Iraqis and targeting coallition forces.

This is not about the Independence of Iraq but to keep Iraq Dependant on US corporate capitalism to survive, rather than letting the country do what they need to do.

Where do you think all the money allocated to Iraq has gone.

Over 150 companies US base in Iraq and the Iraqi people are in poverty, unemployed and with menial ways to survive.

Because rather than hiring Iraqis they were bringing foreign workers to work.

Now can somebody tell me if this to instigate resentment or not.

The only thing that is in Iraq that is the most wanted commodity is their oil.

And that . . . is what our administration wanted to begin with.

You should take some of your own advice with regards to not listening to propaganda. If you can't see that what Iran is doing isn't merely trying to establish diplomatic relations, but trying to undermine the stability in Iraq, you've obviously not been paying close attention. As for talking with the Sunnis in Saudi Arabia- if the Saudis can assist the Iraqi government, as well as control the Sunni instigators, that'll be beneficial too. As for Iraqis having not been hired, that's not exactly accurate either. I saw a lot of Iraqis working who'd been hired by various companies, when I was over there. You have to remember though- certain jobs require certain know how, so you need someone with that know how. Certain jobs require that the person be trustworthy- there were plenty of incidents where Iraqis working on US bases would provide intel to insurgents, so they'd know where to aim their mortars/rockets, or schedules of movement, so convoys could more easily be ambushed. When it was possible to hire Iraqis, they were hired, but it takes time to vet them for clearance to work on bases. Then you have to have US forces escorting a lot of them too, taking up manpower. Many times they were in danger from insurgents if they were seen working with the US/Allied forces. It's not nearly as simple as you've tried to make it. As for companies making $$$ over there- well how much more would you want over your current salary, to do your job if it included getting shot at or facing IEDs on a daily basis?
As for oil revenue- do you expect the companies to work pro bono, getting the Iraqi oil industry working again through huge investments in capital/manhours/risk to personal safety? Iraq needs that money to be viable, and these companies can get their production going again.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
That is not our problem. Iraq has a government there and we should now not be hypocrits and listen to them. The reason we're not is because they are their for special interest; militariliy, economically, selfishly.

Who cares how many he killed, that wasn't the point, but way to overlook it to point out an error. The country is in shambles now.

All you are doing is spitting out the same thing that FOAX News reports. Filter it with the actual facts my friend.

AAC

No, I've been over there, and have seen what's going on for myself thank you. It sounds like your spouting your information from your favorite news source as well.

Maliki wants weapons now because weapons=power. HE knows that the US is leaving before long, and that then the only thing keeping his group alive and in power is weapons.

I dont know but the situation in Iraq seems really tense. As the current situation dictates we need to pull out soon, because the country of Iraq isnt Iraq anymore, it has been divided into three different sections. Why cant we have a North-East-South-West side of the Iraqis to divide the Sunnis, shiites, and the US so that they can all have boarders. Seriously. I dont understand the situation in Iraq all that well, but basically, we need to give the Iraqi people what they want, and the country is divided, so we should leave it divided, build up a wall, and put up boarder police. That was no shiites sunnis or ten's or Iranians can get in, and we should build a huge wall around the boarder of Iran too. If we dont build a boarder the older saddam husseins loyalists will continue to attack the Shiites and the other groups currently sectored in Iraq. That way, with a wall around them, the sunnis will only blow themselves up, and no one else.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Maliki wants weapons now because weapons=power. HE knows that the US is leaving before long, and that then the only thing keeping his group alive and in power is weapons.

I really can't say that I blame him. "ok see ya later US, wish us luck!!"

Let the Iraqis dictate their fate, Bush needs to stop meddling with what is not his or his oil barons cronies.

Get the heck out of that country and let the Iraqis do what they need to do, is their country and is their lands.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Maliki wants weapons now because weapons=power. HE knows that the US is leaving before long, and that then the only thing keeping his group alive and in power is weapons.

sounds like another afganistan,Iran and so on
the US arms the countries and groups for the soul purpose of fighting a proxy war and in the end they are bitten in the right side by the same groups and countries they support

the circle never ends

Originally posted by St Udio


To my reading of your above link,
a Key Point as to why the U.S. isn't responding to what Maliki wants/suggests is found in these two sentences;

~source is AAC link in quote box, above~

The United States has held back from supplying the Iraqi army with large quantities of weapons because some have ended up in the hands of militias and insurgents.
A Maliki aide was quoted as saying that Iraqi forces particularly wanted 'heavy' weapons.

either Maliki 's words are said in desperation....or perhaps he himself seeks to rise as the strong-man figure that is needed to avert a complete
disintegration of the {satrap} Iraqi government now in power.

I think desperation nails it!!! Its pretty obvious that the US relizes we made a mistake invading Iraq. Now we are looking to bail out, just like Vietnam. Remember what happened to S. Veitnam when we left??? I bet Malike does.

It's so obvious.. it's almost funny!

Right now the whole deal in the media is how we're all in 'uproar' about Bush sending over 20,000 more troops. Ok, so maybe we ARE in uproar, or at least as annoyed as possible given our current state of brainwashing... moving along, if we are now conditioned to being outraged at sending yet more troops in, spending billions upon billions more, we would be much more willing to arm (albeit second-rate arms) the newly democratic government of Iraq.. one much like America in her early years. We should help foster the infantile country, and allow her to defend herself against those other countries who harbor terrorists. Whatever it takes to bring home our brave Men and Women.

We will THINK we are being heard at the highest levels when our cries of 'No more troops!' are finally heard by Bush and Co. And they will slowly bring back the troops, and quickly send weapons to Iraq. Justice will prevail. America will get a breath of fresh air as democracy flourishes once again in TWO countries. Oh, we are so proud.


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