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"Christian"/Zionists Push for war with Iran

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posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Is funny how this type of Christian extremist team up With Zionist in their own pursue of war on other nations but remember who's sons and daughters will be dying for their madness.

I also find very ironic that these people are allow to mingle with politicians looking for support for their extremist causes but nobody complains about how groups like this can dare to influence the politicians that are to serve the people that voted for them and not the agendas of groups for exchange of money.

They should all be burn in the hell of the end of times.


No that I believe in any of that BS.:Lil:

[edit on 18-1-2007 by marg6043]


five words for you. ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE.




posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 02:52 PM
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Maybe they should look to the actual message behind their religion, and think about the rest of us, who don't want the world to end....

I think Christ would be most upset with all the evil that has been done in his name over the past 2000 years.

This reminds me of a saying....

"Jesus Was A Long Haired, Peace Loving, Anti Establishment, Liberal, Hippie Freak With Strange Ideas. Everything Conservatives Hate."

And lets not forget the classic....

"Who would Jesus bomb?"



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 02:53 PM
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I have been reading more and more on this figure Hagee and it seems that he is in true Zionist agenda.

No only, various Republican politicians recognize him but even Bush and the Prime minister of Israel are comfortable with his view.

It seems that the figure in question is in an agenda to get support for Israel and their goals all over Unities states.

Including a network of responses for Israel support.

I think this man is thinking big or thinking in the way of profits to made, that will also can go into benefiting the campaign funds of politicians supporters of the Israel cause.



To move CUFI's agenda from the planning stage to direct action, Hagee brought David Brog, a Washington insider, on board as the organisation's executive director. The hiring of Brog, who is Jewish, the former chief of staff for Pennsylvania Republican Sen.. Arlen Specter and the author of the recently published book "Standing With Israel: Why Christians Support the Jewish State," was a shrewd and politically savvy move.


So now Christian American should united with extremist in the pursue of the Israeli cause.

Because as they point out we most support the Biblical role of Israel?



In a press release issued by the Institute for Public Accuracy, the Rev. Dr. Donald Wagner, a professor at North Park University in Chicago and a founding member of the Institute for the Study of Christian Zionism, pointed out that Christian Zionists see "the modern state of the country-region Israel as the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and thus deserving of political, financial, and religious support


Well what happen If I am not a Christian believer that believe in Israel. I am an anti-semite also?

When their Jewish Community seems not to be very fond of this people.

Weird.

www.infoshop.org...


[edit on 18-1-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 02:54 PM
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five words for you. ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE.


What is your point


[edit on 18-1-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Perkworks
I am a Christian. I went to Seminary (Conservative Baptist). No one I know in my neck of the Christian world wants either armageddon or the death of anyone.

Please be careful what rug yousweep whom under. Not everyone who calls himself a Christian IS a Christian. I for one do not relish Armageddon any more than you do. We do not long for it, either. It is prophesied in all the world religions. If we talk about it a lot it is because our scriptures have given us signposts that point to when it will happen, and those sign posts have occurred. But if I could sacrifice my soul and salvation so that you would not have to die, I would do it without hesitation. THis is how the majority of Christians feel about this topic.

Whoever helped you form this opinion of Christians has mislead you. You would know this if you had taken the time to genuinely research this topic, and not just believe what someone else believes. And I didn't come by MY beliefs lightly, either. I was not "Born" into this faith, wasn't brainwashed. In fact, I used to hate Christ and Christianity worse than you ever will. I just had to stop and see why I was so angry at and then do my homework. I came to my conclusions on my own, by my own volition, through my own research. So did CS Lewis and Watchmann Nee. They went into it to disprove the Bible and came out changed men.

I do not long for Armageddon. I do not slaver at the idea of millions of people dying. Neither does GOd, as it is written that it is not God's will that any one should perish. But if anyone perishes, it will be because they have not taken the time to do their home work. It is written that (God's) Children perish for lack of Knowledge". You are God's child, even if you are in rebellion of him. He loves you anyway.

But I can speak honestly here, and do so after over 30 years of research. No genuine, real christian longs for Armageddon, or for the death of anyone. If you are being told that we are, you are being deceived.

David P. perkworks@yhti.net


Aside from all that....Christians are exactly looking to be on the planet when Armageddon happens. Something about the second coming of Christ, hmm? So....why we would want to bring out Armageddon is beyond me. Watch ye, therefore ye know not the day.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
No only, various Republican politicians recognize him but even Bush and the Prime minister of Israel are comfortable with his view.


Do you have any links, etc. from a recognized news source that shows your assertion to be anything more than just you typing?

Sorry, but I have to call you on this one ...

OK. marge, thanks for the details.

[edit on 1/18/2007 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 03:06 PM
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A couple things.... first off Centurion since you are so critical of alternet.org for being opposed to the right wing agenda would I be wrong in assuming that you have no problem with media outlets that promote it? I personally read everything from the far left to the far right and much in between before I come to my conclusions. It has been my experince that the center left news outlets are generally (not always but generally) far more even handed and fair than anything to the left or right of them but that the further right you go, all reason and fairness goes out the window. For my money I will stick to the center left news outlets.

As for you Perkworks I do not hate either Christ or Christianity. I was raised in the Brethern church. However I do hate what the extremists have done to Christianity as much as I hate what extremists have done to Islam. There are most certainly extremists who call themselves Christian who are working to bring about the end time. There was that "Christian" group plotting with right wing Jews in 2000 to blow up the Dome of the Rock to clear the ground for building a new temple, surely an act that would have sparked much bloodshed and possibly a world war. Then there are things like the rapture index, groups like Christian reconstruction and those who blow up clinics and kill doctors because they disagree with a woman's right to chose what to do with her body, not to mention that rapture pornography..."The Left Behind" series and the bloody and violent spin off game. This is not the Christianity I was raised with nor one I recognize but it is out there and it is virulent. These people are out there I have met them and they are scary... AND they do call themselves Christians.

Intelearthling I do my research and yes that is what is stated on this groups website it is also well known that they support Israel, not for any love they have of the Jews (after all in their eschatology, the Jews are doomed to hellfire) but for the roll the holy land plays in the second coming.

Finally DH Messiah I tend to feel as you do. The first lines of the Dao De Ching state clearly that "the way that can be described is not the way". And, the more a person makes a show of their faith, the less of the path they are actually walking. Jesus spoke of this as well in condemning the self-righteous who make such a show of their faith. The truly devout Christian, Muslim or follower of the other religions don't make a big deal of it. They are too busy walking the walk to talk the talk.

[edit on 18-1-2007 by grover]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 03:19 PM
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From the article.



CUFI kicked off the gathering on Jul. 19 with its "A Night to Honour Israel" banquet at the grand ballroom in the Washington Hilton. The festivities attracted a number of high-profile Israeli and U.S. political leaders, including Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon, retired Israeli defence chief Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon and Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman


From the article.



According to a report posted at Israpundit, Hagee read greetings from President George W. Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Bush commented: "God bless and stand by the people of Israel and God bless the United States."


From the article posted by the main thread.



Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback also addressed the group, and Bush sent words of support to the gathering. Republicans, and even some Democrats, spoke at CUFI events to show their "support for Israel."


I find it true taking into consideration how politics are played in our nation. It seems the lobbying is true.

BTW another link

www.thenation.com...



Brog has revealed several "meet and greet" sessions between CUFI and the Bush Administration that highlight the elevated importance of Christian Zionism in GOP-dominated Washington. At the White House, Brog and CUFI's representatives have professed their support for Israel's military campaign in Lebanon and, in Brog's words,



[edit on 18-1-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by grover
A couple things.... first off Centurion since you are so critical of alternet.org for being opposed to the right wing agenda would I be wrong in assuming that you have no problem with media outlets that promote it? I personally read everything from the far left to the far right and much in between before I come to my conclusions. It has been my experince that the center left news outlets are generally (not always but generally) far more even handed and fair than anything to the left or right of them but that the further right you go, all reason and fairness goes out the window. For my money I will stick to the center left news outlets.

[edit on 18-1-2007 by grover]


But what else could or would you say or think since the "center-left" more closely matches your personal beliefs? And one could hardly call alternet.org "center-left". FYI, I also get my news from a spectrum that I just mentioned in a previous post - CNN, MSNBC and Drudge (wherever that takes me). Make sure you're sitting down for this, but I don't read or watch Fox, mostly because the format is too "USA Today-ish" for me.

Sorry, if I can't live up to the stereotype many of you seem to want to create for me.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by grover
A couple things.... first off Centurion since you are so critical of alternet.org for being opposed to the right wing agenda would I be wrong in assuming that you have no problem with media outlets that promote it? I personally read everything from the far left to the far right and much in between before I come to my conclusions. It has been my experince that the center left news outlets are generally (not always but generally) far more even handed and fair than anything to the left or right of them but that the further right you go, all reason and fairness goes out the window. For my money I will stick to the center left news outlets.

[edit on 18-1-2007 by grover]


But what else could or would you say or think since the "center-left" more closely matches your personal beliefs? And one could hardly call alternet.org "center-left". FYI, I also get my news from a spectrum that I just mentioned in a previous post - CNN, MSNBC and Drudge (wherever that takes me). Make sure you're sitting down for this, but I don't read or watch Fox, mostly because the format is too "USA Today-ish" for me.

Sorry, if I can't live up to the stereotype many of you seem to want to create for me.


I am not trying to create any stereotype for you and would be grateful if you do the same. Drudge has no crediblity, at least for me and I pay little attention to CNN or MSNBC and the Simpson's have more validity as a news source than anything else of FOX besides Family Guy.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by grover
Drudge has no crediblity, at least for me and I pay little attention to CNN or MSNBC and the Simpson's have more validity as a news source than anything else of FOX besides Family Guy.


But you see, that's just your opinion which you seem to be trying to project on to eveyone else. Regarding Drudge, to say he has no credibility is to also say that the sources he posts from - NY Times, Wash Post, LA Times, among many others - have no credibility. It also sounds rather like you are saying it's your beliefs or nothing. Like somehow you know better than the rest of us "common folk". That, my friend, is how some on the left receive the "elitist" label .

[edit on 1/18/2007 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 04:27 PM
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The bottom line is, as far as I am concerned anyway, has nothing to do with their end time fantasies; after all the teachings of Jesus (I have not interest in St. Paul or the author of Revelations, much less Tim Lahaye's pornography) have to do with how we behave towards each other far more than it ever has to do with the end of the world. No the bottom line is this, or any religious group meddling in politics and trying to influence policy. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and spend your influence on making better human beings and a better society.

You are totally wrong Centurian. A person can have no crediblity even if their sources do. Look at Bill O'Really. I really don't care one way or another how other people view it, I simply stated my opinion of it, if you care to differ, and obviously you do, fine that is your right.

[edit on 18-1-2007 by grover]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by grover

You are totally wrong Centurian. A person can have no crediblity even if their sources do. Look at Bill O'Really. I really don't care one way or another how other people view it, I simply stated my opinion of it, if you care to differ, and obviously you do, fine that is your right.

[edit on 18-1-2007 by grover]


Guess that's where you are "totally wrong", because I don't give a ratz whatever about what Drudge, himself, says. I just appreciate that he pulls all those different news sources plus columnists together on one page.

And notice I didn't say your news sources were bad or wrong, I just said they shouldn't be called "center-left" when they use that kind of rhetoric. That's where you seem to have come unglued - I guess because I dared to "challenge" your views. The elitist thing again ...

[edit on 1/18/2007 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 06:08 PM
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centurion, I'm very tired of your crap about left/right, bush bashers, ect.. bullcrap.

Wake up men.



I suppose they could or should, but "extremist Christians" are more likely to be laughed at, or you just roll your eyes, because they are a tiny minority and don't seem to be hurting anyone really.

Not hurting anyone really? Who the hell invaded 2 countries in 2 years? Who the hell kill doctors and plan bombs on abortion clinics?

Granted we hear more muslims extremists in the medias, but for what reason? The afghan invasion and the iraq invasion, support of dictatorships in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, South America, Central America, South Asia... A lot of muslims became extremists when they saw how a ``christian`` was waging war against muslims countries and forcing them into a dictatorship and poverty.



I'm sorry, but at that line Where do you get stuff like that? No one even gives them a 2nd thought, let alone takes them as a "serious political force".

Just look at the facts and history. First, UK and US created Israël. Second, US and UK gave billions of $ to Israël. Iraq was invaded because of Israël. Ect.. ect.. ect...



And here we get to the root of your post and your beliefs. Just more anti-semitism.

And typical bullcrap from neo-cons, associating anti-zionism to anti-semitism...

WAKE UP TROLL.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
centurion, I'm very tired of your crap about left/right, bush bashers, ect.. bullcrap.


Nice talk!

No more tired than I am of your continual U.S. bashing. I, however, choose to work "within the system" here to put out counter views, etc.

Did someone promise you when you signed up that everyone else here would always agree with you? That you could always have it your own way? If you can't take the heat of someone disagreeing with you without resorting to flaming and name calling, then I respectfully suggest that you find another place - for your own sake and peace of mind.


[edit on 1/18/2007 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 06:58 PM
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No more tired than I am of your continual U.S. bashing.

US bashing? Where? In stating history of your foreign operations?


I, however, choose to work "within the system" here to put out counter views, etc.

Within the system of neo-cons? Buddy, you're lonely in the US into defending Bush and his policies, sorry for you, you're supporting a murderer. All the world is saying it, so I suppose all the world is US bashing?

Exposing crimes is not bashing. Exposing a criminal administration is not US bashing. Exposing that the medias are full of propaganda concerning Iran, as they were concerning Iraq before the war. I bet you weren't there when all that crap get out on the internet were you? You didn't argue about the validity of the administration claims that Saddam had WMDs did you? You seems to have a little too much of blind patriotism.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by graphicsman1977

five words for you. ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE.


only conceited idiots who cant come up with a real argument use this line of attack. five words for you: ATS IS AN INTERNATIONAL ENTITY.


Originally posted by Regenmacher

Since when does the President of Iran tell the Supreme Leader or Assembly of Experts what to do? I must of missed that part.


nope, your just ignoring the truth, as usual. you and i have been through this, what, three times now rainman? if ahmadinejad's policies and speaches were not in line with the supreme leader's, he wouldnt still be president. period. you can spout as much propaganda as you want, but it wont change that truth.

in regards to your wonderful source about ahmadidenutjob's words being misinterpreted, you know as well as i do that he speaks fluent english. if he didnt agree with the translation, he would have spoken up well before now....so again, take your propaganda elsewhere. regardless of what you would wish for everyone to believe, the truth is that there are nutjobs on both sides of this issue. spouting out propaganda isnt going to change that fact.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 07:28 PM
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The Zionist kook club supports one of the biggest anti-US forces today, and it's called the Bush regime.

I suspect a lot of pro-Bushiites probably are working for subversives that want to see the US turn into a third world nation, cause only an seditionist would continue to perpetuate lies and fraud that is destroying the US's credibility and honor.

Border wide open and eyes wide shut = treasoners amongst us!




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posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
I suspect a lot of pro-Bushiites probably are working for subversives that want to see the US turn into a third world nation, cause only an seditionist would continue to perpetuate lies and fraud thatis destroying the US's credibility and honor.

Border wide open and eyes wide shut = treasoners amongst us!



[edit on 18-1-2007 by Regenmacher]


Unfortunately, that is exactly where we are headed. If you look at the establishment that we now call America, it was really designed to fail.. America took on the role of "melting pot of the world" for a reason. The "founders" of this great nation were curious as to how long a multi-societal nation could exist... I am afraid we are about to find out. America is truly in its waning hours.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by snafu7700
if ahmadinejad's policies and speaches were not in line with the supreme leader's, he wouldnt still be president. period. you can spout as much propaganda as you want, but it wont change that truth.


Guess you missed the point, where opposing propaganda nullfies both ends and thus the truth remains elusive... also known as blowing smoke up each others butts and seeing nothing. To act on this smoke is another story.

Iran supreme council has supposably spoke up btw:

Iran’s President Criticized Over Nuclear Issue
NYTimes



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