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Topic started on 17-1-2007 @ 08:32 PM by TrueAmerican
From news.independent.co.uk:

The music industry opened up a new front in the war on online music piracy yesterday, threatening to sue internet service providers that allow customers to illegally share copyrighted tracks over their networks.

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, or IFPI, said it would take action against internet companies that carry vast amounts of illegally shared files over their networks. It stressed that it would prefer not to pursue such a strategy and is keen to work in partnership with internet providers.

John Kennedy, the chairman of the IFPI, said he had been frustrated by internet companies that have not acted against customers involved in illegal activity. He warned that litigation against ISPs would be instigated "in weeks rather than months". Barney Wragg, the head of EMI's digital music division, said the industry had been left "with no other option" but to pursue ISPs in the courts.

The IFPI wants ISPs to disconnect users who refuse to stop exchanging music files illegally. Mr Kennedy said such activity is in breach of a customer's contract with the ISP and disconnecting offenders the IFPI had identified would significantly reduce illegal file sharing.


Please see source article for full story.

Of particular note to me were these remarks:

A spokesman for the Internet Service Providers Association said ISPs are "mere conduits of information" that can not be held liable for offences committed by customers. "ISPs cannot inspect every packet of data transmitted over their networks," he said.


Well, who's expecting you inspect every packet? But when an organization has done research, and has justifiable complaints against certain users, isn't it fair that the ISP's SHOULD be concerned and shut down these users? To me it seems like a reasonable request.

To those that would rather go to concerts to support artists, and be able to download songs illegally, I'd say please keep in mind that record sales, as well as performance royalites, are still sizeable sources of income for many artists. To suggest abolishing copyrights is standing diametrically opposed to artists being able to collect money from these and other means.


reply posted on 18-1-2007 @ 02:53 PM by Belenus
This issue not only brings up questions about rights to online privacy like i have stated before but also the legality of downloading music. Back in 1984 the Supreme Court ruled that it was legal to tape television programs for personal use. The following link will lead you to the full case document. cyber.law.harvard.edu...
Many legal experts believe that this case sets precedent for the legality of downloading music as shown by this debate at Cornell www.news.cornell.edu...
Futhermore the recording industry has not sued individuals for simply downloading music yet. At this point the lawsuits have been against people who have shared more that 1000 songs
mp3.about.com...
showing that it is the distribution of copyrighted music without permission is illegal but not receiving such music.


reply posted on 18-1-2007 @ 05:16 PM by Seraphim_Serpente
Here is the thing that I don't understand - why are they so concerned about P2P on the Internet? Music fans Sharing music with other music fans - its been going on FOREVER! Remember that thing called RADIO? What about lending a friend a CD or Cassette? It is still a free country is it not? This is not Stealing - it is SHARING!! All of this stuff used to be called "Promotion" - it will expand the Performers Fan Base & lead to Profits in the Future. You see they want total control over the Distribution of the Product (as well as the fact that they usually Trick an Artist into signing away the ownership rights to their own music)! This has never been the case - once a product is released into the Market you can never tell were it will end up. Like I said people let their friends borrow stuff. The problem these days is with the Greed of these big Media Companies. They just want to get their hands on a "Hot Act" & sell a Zillion copies & make a Billion in Profits!! Heck if they could figure out a way to charge you every time you push the Play button they would (oh yeah theyt have already - the Jukebox - I almost forget). They don't care about "Art" (The same could be said for Major Movie Studios) - they have resorted to selling a "Music Product" solely via "Image" i.e. MTV & such. That is why Indy Music & Film are always so much better than their Corporate counterparts.


It's sad that so many people will fight to the death for a free lunch


Well Yes & No. OK first off I will grant you that there are people out there that will abuse anything. That being said - don't you usually want to know what you are buying before you buy it? Like say the Tomatoes in a Super-Market for Instance. How do you know that you like or want something if you have not Sampled it first? That is why most Big Music stores have those Listening stations & Website offer Streams on the Net. You see the problem is that people usually like only one or two songs off of any given album & they don't see why they should pay $15 for a CD (i.e. Entire Album) with Maybe three Tracks on it that they actually like. This is why the Potential for media on the Net is so Fantastic! People can find exactly what they are looking for, Sample it & buy just the right amount of Media they want - all right there in one place On-Line! In addition this is also Fantastic for people discovering new Genres of Music or discovering New Artists within a Genre they already enjoy! I think that "iTunes" is a GREAT example of this!!!

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reply posted on 18-1-2007 @ 06:01 PM by BASSPLYR
Yeah a idiot named Doug Morris thought he knew everything about the world and is the one starting alot of these stupid lawsuits. He can't get his head out of his ass and realize that it's not 1990 and his "genius' stratagies weren't going to work.

Moron executives like him, all didn't see or didn't want to see the future of music and the internet. They thought they were more powerful than the internet cause well they're rich. But they didn't embrace the net and now have screwed their companies left and right by guiding them down the same old path they've always known and are left without the knowledge nor imagination of how to make money (which you can, and a lot of it too) on the internet.

Look up CBS Records. Not the old one but the one that just started up this month. They understand how the future is going to go with the music industry. Aside from them there are a few really good executives with dynamic minds able to harness the internet, or are at least beginning to figure it out.

The big labels and anyone dumb enough to follow their lead got themselves into trouble during the 90's and early 2000's. heres how they f***ed up the industry.

First they were locked into,comfortable with and set on selling albums/CD through the old school primary outlets-record stores. They got locked into this system of business because it was working fantastically for several years and becuase they had their team of lawer friends that they needed to keep employed who used the same damn contract everytime, everybody was set in their ways.

Along came the internet, TV became more important for starting acts etc... and they were too lazy and unknowledgable about these new mediums. Most of these diplo dunks couldn't even work their email so how would they understand what was really happening out in the real not so sheltered dog eat dog world of real life.

Record sales started slipping at this time although not concert sales or sales from 3rd parties (syncing for movies etc.) They really couldn't figure it out, the music was still decent at this time but sales were slipping. You and I could see what was going on but they couldn't. What do they pay these morons for anyways if not to spot this sort of stuff, but most execs were asleep at the wheel or were to busy partying in the back seat to see where the car was going off the road.

Sales were and still are for albums during this change to current only big during the first 2-3 weeks of an albums debut after that they were/are petering off real fast. So huge chunks of revenue weren't getting made. The only thing that was working was to focus on the next CD and getting it to be huge for a short time, find some gimmick to get the population interested long enough to make some sort of money. This lead to building the act and not the band. Bands became short lived and their music became formulaic to meek the marketing demands. Once the sales slowed, BAM! see ya on to the next act.

This was/is a scorched earth policy of marketing, unfortunantly it leads to overexposure which kills your product in the end. Ron Fair-president of A&M/Interscope/Geffen follows this doctrin. He puts out the Pussycat Dolls, Black Eyed Peas, and Fergi. You can find their products everywhere but they aren't any good, public interest eventually gets lost and suddenly too when it happens, better have another act in the wings ready to go to make your profits for the next business quarter.

Look at this-Pussycat Dolls huge then, now? so Black eyed peas got bumped up to fill their roll (even though they had been around), bam once thats milked out comes firgie and so on, do you think fergi is going to be around in 2 years? What about the pussycat dolls. i know each one of them is getting screwed on the record sales and only recieves a $1000 a week in preformance pay. In a year all of them will be back doing burlesque shows in santa monica and hollywood for no money talking about the days when they were Pussycat Dolls. Not so glamourus. Mean while Ron Fair will be back home in one of his many mansions going Black Eyed Who? Oh yeah those guys I made a lot of money off of them for a few months. Ask your self this, how many groups, artist that have come out since the 2000's do you think are going to have a box set in 20 or even 10 years.

So now we have corporate, trite, prefabricated crap, no real artists cause the big 4 label groups need to make their money to survive. These big labels are trying to legitamize the music that they are comming out with but so far are lost and confused in this brave new world of music marketing. But don't loose faith, some of these labels are fireing left and right and are bringing back real musicians and acts that they are trying to develop for the long haul. '07 will be a different year in the music industry.

Alot of labels will drop MTV/VH1/BET (like they havent already) as they hook up with music coordinators for the TV programs and shows to be the primary marketing exposure,advertising platform for the music industry.

THink of this, My Chemical Romance-Rob Cavallo produced it,he did a good job, but Rob is an executive over at Warner Bros Records. They are jsut now begining to figure out the new industry and are jsut beggining to give up thier old ways. But not with My Chemical Romances last album. The album was highly reviewed as one of the best produced albums of the year, but it tanked in sales, made lodes less than the first album by the band and sales have come to a practical halt. The reason-they were still marketing to MTV,big mistake cause who the hell watches MTV anymore? So only the fans heard the new album, they all baught it up and now thats it, no new demographic purchased the album. Sales were half of their first one. They will probably get one more chance to make fixy fixy even though it wasn't their fault on their next album or it get dropped by the label time for them.

So advertise on MTV/VH1 and 1.4 million people are exposed to your product...dumb. Or,have someone call PJ Bloom the music coordinator over at Neophonic (The Shield/ CSI/ Nip/Tuck)and have the same band do a guest appearence on CSI: Miami-14 million people become exposed...10X! Smart. So with this they can start making money again and start concentrating on developing long term acts that develop a fan base and a place in the publics heart.
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