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Unabridged YouTube: “Undercover Mosque” Expose Online

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posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 06:15 PM
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We have all heard about the recent program done by channel 4 of the UK that exposed radical Islam but how many have actually seen it? No problem thanks to a Youtube contributor you can see the whole unabridged version.

Frankly I was disappointed when I could not view it here in the US and feel it is very important that everyone worldwide gets to see this very well done documentary. The external link below contains links to the actual videos.



UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007.
Radicalisation of UK mosques by Saudi Wahabbism


Undercover Mosque

Broadcast: Monday 15 January

A Dispatches reporter attends mosques run by organisations whose public faces are presented as moderate and finds preachers condemning integration into British society, condemning democracy and praising the Taliban for killing British soldiers…

Dispatches has investigated a number of mosques run by high profile national organisations that claim to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths. But an undercover reporter joined worshippers to find a message of religious bigotry and extremism being preached.

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My thanks go out to the crew who did the well done documentary and the contributor of YouTube


[edit on 1/17/2007 by shots]




posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 06:35 PM
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Yeah I Saw it today

Pretty interesting stuff

I wonder what will the government's reaction?

I mean Even that "moderate" Imam says he's closer to Radicals than "nonbelievers"

Kuffar as he calls us

[edit on 17-1-2007 by CanadianGlasnost]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 07:48 PM
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Wahabbism is a significant threat to rational thought.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 08:06 AM
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Kudos for posting this thread.

These people are f'ing nuts. It's time to move further north.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 08:10 AM
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I saw it on channel 4 and it was a real eye opener. How many people are there in the UK that follow these beliefs? It is really worrying!

They want rid of the west but how can we stop them? It's a serious threat and there doesnt seem to be anything the government can do about it


Do they class atheists as Kaffur? Why do they only refer to christians and jews? what about all the other religions that don't follow these extreme beliefs?

[edit on 18-1-2007 by fiftyfifty]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 08:46 AM
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someday this will blow up in your faces. and ill sit here in israel with my friends and we all gonna be like: "told you so!".

i predict that in less then 30 years major civil war will break in either UK or france... good luck.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 08:49 AM
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Those idiots participate to the current mess in the world. I would say throw those Imams into the deepest dungeon of Guantanamo Bay, rather than innocent people.

What I would like to know, but probably will never get an answer on, is why they want to live among us, want to study at our universities, want to buy Western products, while they simultaneously so deeply despise and hate us.

Anyhow, always keep in mind that most Muslims are just like me and you and not like this dangerous lunatic.


Great documentary



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by DeMitsuko
someday this will blow up in your faces. and ill sit here in israel with my friends and we all gonna be like: "told you so!".

i predict that in less then 30 years major civil war will break in either UK or france... good luck.


What do you suggest? That we kill all Muslims like the Nazis killed all Jews. Do you like that idea? Lieberman does and Israeli newspapers claim many Israeli's share his ideas.

No we won't kick all Muslims out of their countries, we won't destroy their houses, we won't kill their their children, we won't destroy their lives. No, fortunately, we have not such a government like yours.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 08:57 AM
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Yeah saw it on channel four the otherday, been trying to tell people before not everything is as it seems.

Added one of the captured bombers evaded police again in a burqua but was reconized on cctv in some station.

We really should ban viels and imprsion anyone who preaches hate under the gize of being moderate.




posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Mdv2

What do you suggest? That we kill all Muslims like the Nazis killed all Jews. Do you like that idea? Lieberman does and Israeli newspapers claim many Israeli's share his ideas.


im not suggesting nothing, your country is already messed up and its not my problam that you dont care.


Originally posted by Mdv2
No we won't kick all Muslims out of their countries, we won't destroy their houses, we won't kill their their children, we won't destroy their lives. No, fortunately, we have not such a government like yours.


as i said you cant do nothing now your all too humble to do somthing and salvage your culture but i guess its ok with you. and when i say "doing somthing" i dont mean kill them all... stoping immigration will be far more productive.

oh and i love how you bring your "israel hating" into any subject. i imagine you with a grumpy face all day "errrrr i hate them..."



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 09:14 AM
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Nobody will do anything about it. As far as I can tell everyone can see whats coming but nobody wants to hurt anyones feelings, or some "I hate Israel" nut jumps out with putting everyone in camps and shooting all the men, like thats a feasable solution to anyone. The real solution is certainly not ignoring them, or gassing them all. Its somewhere in between. But if its caught between "I hate Israel" and "Lets just leave them alone" we'll never find it.

Freedom was fun while it lasted I guess. Which ways Mecca?



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Nobody will do anything about it. As far as I can tell everyone can see whats coming but nobody wants to hurt anyones feelings, or some "I hate Israel" nut jumps out with putting everyone in camps and shooting all the men, like thats a feasable solution to anyone. The real solution is certainly not ignoring them, or gassing them all. Its somewhere in between. But if its caught between "I hate Israel" and "Lets just leave them alone" we'll never find it.

Freedom was fun while it lasted I guess. Which ways Mecca?


What are you on about

what point are you making "Its somewhere in between" WHAT ????



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 09:28 AM
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I guess I have to make more clear posts or something.

Overwhelmingly people dislike having psychotic Imams and militants in their towns, states, countrys but everyone know theyre there. What a previous poster amntioned about a coming war in Europe over these militants who refuse to assimilate and actively fight against them is absolutely true. Id put money on it. But if anyone tries to pass immigration reforms or limit welfare benfits to discourage their arrival enmasse sombody always comes up with ridiculous civil rights violation arguments of a "slippery slope" nature assuming that the end all is the government putting people in concentration camps and killing indesciminately.

Right here the responses began with "What can we do about this?" and not 3 or 4 posts later you get "well, we cant just round them up like the Israelis do!"

What the hell is that?

Like global warming is some huge threat but god forbid we actually do anything about it. Cant have nuclear because of flipper babies, cant have wind farms because of the birds, cant use motion generators in the ocean because of the fish.

Im convinced nobidy really wants to fix anything. They all like bitching about it too much. The graudual and assured collapse of Western society is the same way. We could stop it by not giving militants incentives to come into our countries but oh, thats discrimination. We're PC bull#ting ourselves right out of existance.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by fiftyfifty

Do they class atheists as Kaffur? Why do they only refer to Christians and jews? what about all the other religions that don't follow these extreme beliefs?



In the for what it is worth department here is what wiki has to say.


This article is about an Islamic term. For other uses of the word, see Kaffir (disambiguation).
Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning an unbeliever, a person who hides, denies, or covers the truth. In cultural terms, it is a derogatory term[1] used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, a Muslim of a differing sect, or an apostate from Islam. It is usually translated into English as "infidel" or "unbeliever".

Debate exists between some Muslim scholars as to whether the term applies to Jews and Christians, as these can also be regarded as Dhimmi, or People of the Book. It has been used historically to identify Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, and followers of non-denominational religions or local, pagan traditions. Some distinguish between Kafir and non-Muslims, as Kafir is used by the Qur'an for people, who were guilty of rejection or non-acceptance of the truth, even after it has become fully apparent to them, while non-Muslim is primarily a term implying a person, who does not ascribe to the Islamic faith.[2]


Source


Hope that answers your question.

Now moving on, I hope the governments of the world wake up before it is too late and infiltrate the mosques just so they can rid the world of the radicals.

Now before someone jumps out and says you cannot do that, yes they can as long as they can prove they are preaching hate, in fact I believe some of the statements were borderline treason, but I am no expert.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by DeMitsuko
someday this will blow up in your faces. and ill sit here in israel with my friends and we all gonna be like: "told you so!".

i predict that in less then 30 years major civil war will break in either UK or france... good luck.


When? What day? OMG please tell me?? I need to know?? How does this happen? What can I do???


If you are sitting in Israel when this happens then its my guess you will be sitting on a green glass parking lot. Just my opinion. Can anyone say "Delusions of grandeur"?



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by DeMitsuko
im not suggesting nothing, your country is already messed up and its not my problam that you dont care.


So you are suggesting something. Let me ask you again, what is it you are suggesting? Well, if we compare the EU to Israel it's pretty obvious which of the two is ''messed up'' and that's Israel. Compare the daily violence of both.


Originally posted by DeMitsuko
as i said you cant do nothing now your all too humble to do somthing and salvage your culture but i guess its ok with you.


You are contradicting yourself again


Originally posted by DeMitsuko
and when i say "doing somthing" i dont mean kill them all... stoping immigration will be far more productive.


The European is not a prison or concentration camp surrounded by walls. Most Muslims living in the EU are hard working people who don't hate our way of living.


Originally posted by DeMitsuko
oh and i love how you bring your "israel hating" into any subject. i imagine you with a grumpy face all day "errrrr i hate them..."


Why would I hate Israel? I am against your government, apparently many of your countrymen as well as they put your prime minister and others under pressure to resign.


Be more careful in choosing words you use, particularly when yo are incapable of constructing such an accusation as ''hating Israel''. Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word ''hate''. I'll tell you something, I'm also against the current US administration and no, I don't like Bush, but hating him something totally different and it doesn't mean I ''hate'' Americans, which would be the case in accordance to your flawed logic. Hopefully you are capable enough of understanding that.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by kleverone

When? What day? OMG please tell me?? I need to know?? How does this happen? What can I do???



aren't you american? you know i referred to UK right?. hmmm... somebody is trying to make some easy ATS points.



Originally posted by kleverone
If you are sitting in Israel when this happens then its my guess you will be sitting on a green glass parking lot.


could be... but atleast im doing somthing about it.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by shots


In the for what it is worth department here is what wiki has to say.


This article is about an Islamic term. For other uses of the word, see Kaffir (disambiguation).
Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning an unbeliever, a person who hides, denies, or covers the truth. In cultural terms, it is a derogatory term[1] used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, a Muslim of a differing sect, or an apostate from Islam. It is usually translated into English as "infidel" or "unbeliever".

Debate exists between some Muslim scholars as to whether the term applies to Jews and Christians, as these can also be regarded as Dhimmi, or People of the Book. It has been used historically to identify Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, and followers of non-denominational religions or local, pagan traditions. Some distinguish between Kafir and non-Muslims, as Kafir is used by the Qur'an for people, who were guilty of rejection or non-acceptance of the truth, even after it has become fully apparent to them, while non-Muslim is primarily a term implying a person, who does not ascribe to the Islamic faith.[2]


Source


Hope that answers your question.


No not really considerinhg wiki is filled with crap considering anybody can write something on it.

First fo all lets break this down :

1) Kaffir is not a degrading term. All it means is a non-muslim a person who does not follow the Quran. A kaffir is not an infidel and never has been. The word infidel does not exist in the arabic language and in fact was used by the christians to describe the muslims. Kaffir is not infidel since there can never be a direct translation from arabic to english for the term infidel.

2) Secondly under islam the christians and jews are not Dhimmi considering Dhimmi is not a part of islam becuase the word is not even mentioned in the quran even once. Dhimmi was a arab technique to manage all those that they conqured through defensive/offensive wars in the middle east. The Dhimmi concept was not a part of the quran/islam thats why dhimmi concepts didnt exist in countries where islam was exported through traders and the people learned and adopted islam from the quranic text and dhimmi only existed in countries which where taken over by arab forces.

And guys please stop using wikipedia as a source for islam consdiering nearly 100% of the articles are written by people with a agenda or very limited to no understanding of either islam or classical arabic script.



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I guess I have to make more clear posts or something.

Overwhelmingly people dislike having psychotic Imams and militants in their towns, states, countrys but everyone know theyre there. What a previous poster amntioned about a coming war in Europe over these militants who refuse to assimilate and actively fight against them is absolutely true. Id put money on it. But if anyone tries to pass immigration reforms or limit welfare benfits to discourage their arrival enmasse sombody always comes up with ridiculous civil rights violation arguments of a "slippery slope" nature assuming that the end all is the government putting people in concentration camps and killing indesciminately.


Applause


I agree we are headed for some pretty terrible times if we don't get rid of these imams, but it would'nt be a war more like vigilante style justice which really does'nt bear thinking about.

As for the human rights laws, that is the very thing the radicals use against us so we can't get rid but we can't scrap it so then what?




someday this will blow up in your faces. and ill sit here in israel with my friends and we all gonna be like: "told you so!".


If the west falls, Isreal will promptly be removed from the face of the map, so you would'nt be laughing in Isreal. Somewhere else maybe



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Mdv2

So you are suggesting something. Let me ask you again, what is it you are suggesting? Well, if we compare the EU to Israel it's pretty obvious which of the two is ''messed up'' and that's Israel. Compare the daily violence of both.


im suggesting you pull your head out your arse and start doing somthing for your country and culture. or just sit back and continue your pointless ranting on the internet... your choice after all.


Originally posted by Mdv2

The European is not a prison or concentration camp surrounded by walls. Most Muslims living in the EU are hard working people who don't hate our way of living.


good luck when they will be the majority of the population. muslim regime in UK is ok with you i guess.


Originally posted by Mdv2
Why would I hate Israel? I am against your government, apparently many of your countrymen as well as they put your prime minister and others under pressure to resign.


you dont understand the politics of the middle east and you have a totally one sided view of this conflict.
oh and i do hope they resign. you do understand that the people calling for their resignation are mostly from the right winged parties?


Originally posted by Mdv2
Be more careful in choosing words you use, particularly when yo are incapable of constructing such an accusation as ''hating Israel''. Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word ''hate''. I'll tell you something, I'm also against the current US administration and no, I don't like Bush, but hating him something totally different and it doesn't mean I ''hate'' Americans, which would be the case in accordance to your flawed logic. Hopefully you are capable enough of understanding that.



is arguing semantics the best you can do?



"Hatred" is also used to describe feelings of prejudice, bigotry or condemnation (see shunning) against a person, or a group of people, such as racism, and intense religious or political prejudice.

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