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posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 07:58 AM
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I would like to know from UK people, what the heck with the royal family? Do you like them? Do they mean anything to you? Why are they still in ``power``? With all their involvement in the NWO, why not get rid of them? Is there any political party in UK that wants to get rid of them? Would the people in Britain accept that? I mean, with all big brother, I think that either the british are really angry and they do nothing, or they don't care and they are disconnected from reality...

Please help me understand!




posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 08:12 AM
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Well, I live in Manchester and I do not like the royal family one bit. They are the worlds largest legitimate thieves. At one stage England owned 2/3's or the land on this planet. The stole from everywhere and gave little in return. Gold for slavery. Nice swap.

Bit by pit we have HAD to give it back and quite rightly so. Look at places like the Commomwealth that are still under British control, it's madness.

They are just a tourist attraction, they have no power. If you were to kill them, then stuff and mount them on the gates at Buckingham Palace they woudl bring in just about the same amount of money but minus the huge costs of their holidays to the public.

Also, the properties they have are suposed to be owned by us, the great British, public. however, I'm pretty sure that if i tried to gain entrance to my house, Buckingham Palace or any other Royal retreet I would be escorted away quite quickly.

In short.....Booooo to those feckin royals and off with their heads!

Remirah...... (waiting to be arrested for inciting royal hatred!!!)



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 11:05 AM
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Hi Vitchilo,

Nice post topic once again!

I personally am "Pro-Royal" I like that the UK have a Monarchy, It strengthens for me the feeling of who I am, where I come from.

The Royal family have alot more power than they let on, I will get onto this later!

The Royal Family do a great deal of good for the world. They also do not exactly cost the world either "Head of State expenditure has reduced significantly over the past decade, from £87.3 million in 1991-92 to £37.4 million in 2005-06. In the year 2005-06 The Queen cost the taxpayer just 62 pence per person.

The Prince of wales has his own trust set up to help under priveledged young people. See link.

www.princes-trust.org.uk...

The Late Princess of Wales did an awful lot of work for the good of mankind.
(Untill the Royal family killed her off!)
see link:

www.dianacelebration.com...

The Queen, Her official title in the UK is "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith", is an excellent ambassador for the UK and visits many leaders of Foreign countries.

See this website for a brief explanation to her head of state status in the commonwealth:

www.cbc.ca...

Now if you read the following website it is cleverly disquising the extent of power the Queen holds, through the Privvy Council.

www.royal.gov.uk...

"The Privy Council retains some limited, formal functions.

For example, the Privy Council is concerned with the affairs of Chartered Bodies, the 400 or so institutions, charities and companies who are incorporated by Royal Charter.

The Privy Council also has an important part to play regarding certain UK statutory regulatory bodies covering a number of professions (mainly in the healthcare field) and in the world of higher education."

They call this limited, to be the one theoretically in charge of all these institutions, institutions containing the most powerful people in the commonwealth! this hardly classed as limited power!

See the link to find out all of the institutions the Queens Privvy council has control of:

www.privy-council.org.uk...

"Royal Earlswood Institution for Mental Defectives" used to be called "Asylum for idiots" Sorry couldn't resist


But on the whole I think you will agree they are some very powerful institutions!

The Privvy council also is involved in the appointment of high sheriffs, scary guys who lurk in the shadows of the legal system giving advice to high ranking Judges!

"The office of High Sheriff has its roots in Saxon times and is the oldest continuous secular office under the Crown.

[The word 'Sheriff' is derived from 'Shire Reeve' - the office of a Reeve being a chief magistrate, in this case responsible for law enforcement for the shire. Shire means county - for example the County of Lancaster is called Lancashire.]

The High Sheriff is the Keeper of The Queen's Peace in a County and executes judgements of the High Court through an Under Sheriff. Office is held for one year during which the High Sheriff is responsible for the well-being of Her Majesty's Judges in the county, and other public duties."

Taken from: www.priory.lancs.ac.uk...

The reason Diana was killed is pretty simple whether right or wrong.

An estranged member of the Royal family was preparing to get engaged and have the children of an Egyption national who also happened to be a Muslim. The only faith permitted in the Royal family is that of the church of England. Even a roman catholic would be barred from entry, (No Camilla is not Roman Catholic, it was purley rumour)

But all in all I do love the fact we have a Royal Family, I believe they secretly work to keep us safe from New kids on the block like the "NWO"

Oh well GOD SAVE THE QUEEN,

P.S Canada please keep the faith



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 11:59 AM
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I'm British and I'm not crazy about them. But I'd say there was a 50/50 split in public opinion though.

As for the Queens power, get this:

In law the Queen as a private person can do no wrong: she is immune from civil or criminal proceedings and cannot be sued in courts of law

Foreign diplomatic representatives in London are accredited to the Queen, and she has the power to conclude treaties, to declare war and to make peace, to recognise foreign states and governments and to annex and cede territory.

This effectivley means she has complete and total control over anything she wants, including ordering executions and covert military action with complete impunity.

Suprisingly though, she seldom exercises her omnipotence (officially anyway), relying on the Prime Minister and parliment to deal with most matters.

Diana's former butler Paul Burrell, has the quoted the queen as saying the following:

'Nobody, Paul has been as close to a member of my family as you, There are powers at work in this country of which we have no knowledge'

Is this a reference to the Illuminati? We all know shes a Christian and head of the COE so she most probably would be kept in the dark with the rest of us. I know some people doubt Paul Burrels credibillity but, he knows all to well of the Queens powers so would he risk lying?

This is my first post so forgive me if its a mess



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 12:08 PM
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I'm British and I think that they are just there to make money. People come to the country to see the ''Royal sights'' and spend stupid amounts of money for it.

That's my view on it, they have no power, no real influence and they never will.

To me, the importance of the monarchy in Britain ended with King Charles 1, he was shown to not be the great ruler everyone thought, and expected him to be, and that killed off the monarchy.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 12:27 PM
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Some poll results from 2005

(Source)
Fieldwork: January 7th & 11th 2005
Published in The Sun, January 17th, 2005

Q. The Royal Family make good ambassadors for the United Kingdom

Agree 82%
Disagree 18%

Q. Royal ceremonies are an important part of British life

Agree 80%
Disagree 20%

Q. The Monarchy should be abolished

Agree 18%
Disagree 82%

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Intothevoid, not bad first post but you really need to be able to back up any facts, quotes or figures by giving the source where you obtained that information.

...

Zanzibar, as a writer-scholar on ATS I would really have expected you to post some back-up to the fact that you are stating "they have no power, no real influence and they never will!"

As to your view that

I'm British and I think that they are just there to make money. People come to the country to see the ''Royal sights'' and spend stupid amounts of money for it.


They make an awful lot of money from tourist, they do this to ease the burden of their funding by the tax payer, as for it being their only function I should suggest you read in to it, it's actually quite interesting! Seriously



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 12:34 PM
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I'm sorry you just admitted your belief that the royals murdered someone based on the religion of who they were going to marry, which is really extremist sectarianism there buddy! but you uphold the opinion:


Originally posted by Jimmy1880


I personally am "Pro-Royal" I like that the UK have a Monarchy, It strengthens for me the feeling of who I am, where I come from.



now whether the death was an accident or not, if you believe that it was murder to be the case how can you continue supporting a system that actively promotes murder and sectarianism??

Help me understand!!!

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Cs_Exile]

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Cs_Exile]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 12:36 PM
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Sorry, triple post.



[edit on 17-1-2007 by Zanzibar]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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Sorry, triple post.



[edit on 17-1-2007 by Zanzibar]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Jimmy1880

Zanzibar, as a writer-scholar on ATS I would really have expected you to post some back-up to the fact that you are stating "they have no power, no real influence and they never will!"



My ''back-up fact'' is that I have never seen the Royal family influence or make an important decision. Maybe I've been blind, maybe not, but I do not believe that they have a say in any workings of the country.

Also, those facts seem sketchy at best, many people I have met do not care about the Royal family and do not think that they are important.

But then again, this is only my views, no-one has to agree with them, nor do I have to agree with anyone else's.

'Tis the wonder of the internet.

EDIT- Those facts were from The Sun? Then I am fairly certain that they are completely made up. It's the freaking Sun for god's sake!



[edit on 17-1-2007 by Zanzibar]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:01 PM
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Well i think most of it is verifiable, I didn't make anything up anyway....
The only bit that was dodgy was saying she can have people executed. This is a grey area but she is definatley exempt from all UK law, so in theory, any orders she gives ARE the law. Regardless of whatever bills and laws say, she has the final word.

I know the UN would start crying if we invaded another member but there's no reason why we can't roll up on a country and take it, should we wish. If the Queen orders it, we can legally do it! Its been that way for hundreds of years and nothings changed.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:31 PM
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Yes intothevoid, the Queen does hold in theory a similar kind of power to the President of the united states she can give executive orders.

I wasn't saying you were making stuff up, mearly pointing out if you can post links to sites where you get your info from it really helps you out with regards to validity plus it's "the etiquette" on ATS

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Zanzibar,

Sorry I thought


I'm British and I think that they are just there to make money. People come to the country to see the ''Royal sights'' and spend stupid amounts of money for it.


Was your point of view, and that you were stating:


they have no power, no real influence and they never will


as a fact.

Course everyone is allowed an opinion, sorry for the mix up


The poll i posted was conducted by Populus. Populus is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules. It just happens the Sun published its findings.

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Cs_exile the Royal family is strictly governed by itself, people in it and people joining it are fully aware what is expected of them. It's just how it is! Diana knew that she was doing something that wouldn't be allowed. I do strongly believe she was murdered because of this. The religion thing is the same it's just how it is, The Queen is the defender of the faith of the Church of England. All members of the family are aware of this and comply. I will not say it was wrong or right but I do think it could have been done in a similar manner to our King Edward VIII when he got with Miss Simpson, King Edward VIII was another Royal who didn't comply with protocal he was forced to abdicate and live in another country. I think if Diana was stripped of her title and told to leave the UK it might have worked but also saying that she was heavily involved in politics she had superstar status, she was maybe just too dangerous to the establishment. Princess Diana REALLY did have the ability to have brought down the Royal Family.

Jim



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by Jimmy1880

I personally am "Pro-Royal" I like that the UK have a Monarchy, It strengthens for me the feeling of who I am, where I come from.


- edit, perhaps the above statement was actually a joke, as some of your statements seem to point at...in that case, let the below read as it will. Someone will benefit from it. ;-)
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Hmmm...do we need to have strengthened feelings for who we are based on a country?
(i.e nationalism?)

It seems this is the root cause of wars? The division, and the "I am this or that"

Interestingly enough, your post says that you are in Germany...
It reminds me of the Hungarian doctor who wants to go to the U.K. on weekends to make more money, but when my wife and I say we want to move to the U.K., we are questioned and asked why? "What about national pride...I could never leave Hungary to live somewhere else?"

This is literally almost word for word. (though translated from Hungarian.
)

It amazed me. This is not the first time I have seen this here.
Like a hypocrisy...I will use another country for their money because mine cant support me...but declare my country is the best.

Now I am NOT saying you are like this.
I am trying to point out that nationalism, typically separates and creates a false sense of self. So it would be more a strengthening of the ego, not the real you.

i.e. your in Germany...who cares about the Royal family and if it strengthens you...you really dont, as you are enjoying Germany...and rightfully so! Enjoy where you are at in the MOMENT. This is key.


Peace

dAlen

- Nothing personal...it just reminded me of a blog I just posted here at ATS blogs.


[edit on 17-1-2007 by dAlen]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:58 PM
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Actually dAlen,

I'm posted in Germany with Her Majesty's Armed Forces! anymore Questions?


Actually I believe a sense of National pride is making it more difficult for organisations like the NWO to gain control, the day we don't care where we come from and what we're a part off will be the day we salute an NWO world leader.

And, dAlen assumtion is the mother of all F****ups

[edit on 17/1/07 by Jimmy1880]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 02:16 PM
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well i'll try harder in future!

"In law the Queen as a private person can do no wrong: she is immune from civil or criminal proceedings and cannot be sued in courts of law

Foreign diplomatic representatives in London are accredited to the Queen, and she has the power to conclude treaties, to declare war and to make peace, to recognise foreign states and governments and to annex and cede territory. "

This was coincidently from www.britischebotschaft.de and based on actual legal documentation.

The Paul Burrel quote has been printed in the Mirror i think.

I realise the need for factual info rather than heresay or whatever but due to the often conspiratorial nature of conspiracy, this isn't always going to be possible.


I'd like to make clear, i'm not saying the Queen kills people but she COULD if she wanted.

But if the NWO gets it's way, she'll be out of a job....



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 02:27 PM
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Personally, I don't believe monarchy is necessary anywhere in the world. You can tour Windsor Castle, et al, with or without a monarch present. Chances are you won't see these people anyway. Who cares? I don't know the queen. I could care less if I see her in her horrid 60-year-old outfits with her hideous handbags and equally hideous shoes. She's just another old woman.

History is history. Monarchy is an idea come and gone. I think the only reason it survives is because people are too afraid to let go of that last shred of their national identity in exchange for something new and liberating.

Regarding crown property, the same is true here in the US. I'm a taxpayer but I know I can't just walk into the White House and spend the night in the Lincoln bedroom.

Government - a lot of talk and little taxpayer-endorsed action.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 02:30 PM
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Sorry to double post but I also want to say I agree with what Jimmy1880 just said. There is nothing wrong with national pride, infact it's healthy. The problem is that they aren't ourcountries anymore. They belong to the banks and buisness.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 02:44 PM
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Thanks for the responses. But isn't a monarchy against democracy? Also, the queen and the establishment is IN and FOR the NWO. Diana was murdered because she would have crushed the propaganda against muslims, because she would have been married to a muslim. If the Queen ordered the murder of Diana, I hope she's being brought to justice. I don't understand how someone could love that she's above the law... that's just very weird and frightening... People are complaining about Bush being above the law, then others don't care that the queen is above the law... WTF? Also Jimmy, you like the police state in UK? You're in the army? You were in Iraq?



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 02:57 PM
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I hope that didn't make me seem in support of monarchy, because i'm not. Infact it makes me angry but there's sweet FA I can do about it.

I know they are all German but I could never understand the queen supporting the NWO. If it has affiliation satan worship why would she?

Besides the reason the Illuminatti was set up, was to overthrow the monarchy.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo...Diana was murdered because she would have crushed the propaganda against muslims, because she would have been married to a muslim...

This is a fairly common misconception. Diana had no intention of marrying Fayed. He was a rebound romance of sorts. She was in love with another man, a surgeon. The Fayed affair was an attention-grabber. We'll never know if the ploy worked.

Fayed's father is stirring the pot and perpetuating the myth to garner attention for himself. He should STFU and move on. Everyone else has done so, including Diana's sons.




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