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Originally posted by they see ALL
simply, jesus didn't ordain women for whatever reason and the church should not change something that jesus did or the rules and values he had
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Thirdly, I know it's not a popular belief in some circles, but I believe that much of the bible concerning women has been changed and removed by the men of the Catholic Church to give the power in the church exclusively to men.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Does Jesus or the bible ever say that only men should be the leaders of the church?
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
why do i claim that catholics see women as spiritually inferior?
simply because they dont' allow women to become priests
a man can serve the same functions as a woman and more, but a woman cannot
the church claims that women and men are equal in the eyes of "god"
why doesn't the church act on "god's will"?
i'll expand this to all other christian sects that don't allow women to be some sort of religious leader on an equal position with men
1 Timothy 2:11-12 proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created (1 Timothy 2:13) and the way in which sin entered the world (2 Timothy 2:14). God, through the Apostle Paul’s writing, restricts women from serving in roles of spiritual teaching authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors, which definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority over men.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I just wanted to come back and apologize for this outburst. While I cannot say how much I disagree with the sexist teachings of most modern religions, ....
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
they see ALL, what about all the rampant sexism in the new testament?
want citations on sexism?
Romans 1:27
1 Corinthians 11:3
1 Corinthians 11:7
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Ephesians 5:22-24
Colossians 3:18
1 Timothy 2:11-12
1 Timothy 2:14-15
Titus 2:4-5
1 Peter 3:1
1 Peter 3:2-6
1 Peter 3:7
i'd post the actual excerpts, but that would be far too time-consuming for me to do right now
Originally posted by TurningOverFriday
Or maybe. . .it's that you're looking for this sexism and refuse to see anything different?
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
wouldn't such contradictions destroy the infallibility of the bible?
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Do you believe all these people just more gullible than you?
Have you already discounted the possibility that they were justified in preserving such a book?
[edit on 17-1-2007 by Esoteric Teacher]
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i just think that myths should be taken as what they are
tiny shreds of truth wrapped in very thick shells of falsehoods
i don't really think religious people are more gullible, i just think they are taking a myth far too seriously
Originally posted by melatonin
So, is anyone willing to accept that some of the views in the bible are just the norm for their day and quite abhorent when looked at in a modern enlightened context?
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
I am.
that's probably the shortest answer i've ever supplied you with, instead of my normal long winded in depth, repeating myself different ways, type of answers and replies, and follow up posts to your posts .... (blah blah, yada yada, ...)
All joking about myself put aside ....
I believe your point is a very valid one.
It is valuable when in pursuit of the truth of scriptures to keep in mind the possible mindsets and perspectives of those who were writing the texts.
Or else, we would be ignoring an important variable, and part of the puzzle, in our pursuit of understanding.
Originally posted by clearwater
That whole story about the rib doesn't bear out scientifically.
Originally posted by Edn
lol Jesus didn't ordain women 'for what ever reason'?
Wake up will you, Jesus didn't ordain women because 2000 years ago women had there place in the home and thats where they should stay(2000 years ago that is).
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
OK, so Jesus didn't pick any women to be apostles for whatever reason. Does anyone really know what that reason is?
Originally posted by kinglizard
www.gotquestions.org...
Originally posted by resistancia
Well if you think I am sexist, I guess I must be.
I do not need to defend myself.
Originally posted by melatonin
So, I'm still happy to be 'an atheist for Jesus'