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Russian missles delivered to Iran!

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posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 08:43 PM
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"We have supplied the modern short-range anti-aircraft systems TOR-M1 in accordance with our contracts," Ivanov told reporters. "Iran is not under sanctions and if it wants to buy defensive ... equipment for its armed forces then why not?"


I wounder what other means of 'defense' russia has sold to iran? russia should be ashamed of itself!

today.reuters.com

[edit on 16-1-2007 by conspiracymaster]


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[edit on 18-1-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]




posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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Well with all the hype in main stream media about Iran going to be attacked I think it's only fair that they manouvre to defend themselves. They aren't the agressor here and its strange how its been worded to make them out to be some kind of villain.

Only a fool would buy the garbage that Fox News is spreading about Iran needing to be attacked to stop interference in Iraq...? I mean derrr who is doing the interfering in Iraq ? wake up people this is a staged media event and the people who buy it are fools.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 08:57 PM
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Here, here.


The U.S is certainly in no position to comment on dubious arms trade, and as for the Tor M1 being a threat to its neihbours, explain to me how exactly a short range defensive missile system can be a threat to it's neihbours? Rubish.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by kojac
Here, here.


The U.S is certainly in no position to comment on dubious arms trade, and as for the Tor M1 being a threat to its neihbours, explain to me how exactly a short range defensive missile system can be a threat to it's neihbours? Rubish.


what im saying is the chance is high russia delivered other more destructive weapons but most likely did not go public about it...



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 09:09 PM
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This is a Non-Issue IMO because if Russia delivers even Nukes to Iran its only in Parallel to the US delivering Bunker Busters to Israel back last year just prior to them Destroying Lebanon.

I would suspect that the Israeli Isotopes used in their arsenal would have a distinctly American signature to them
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Don't buy the hype, any Person/Country who promotes the idea/concept of war is the real enemy and is only doing so for personal gain over and above the individual's sucked in and sent to fight and die for them.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 09:17 PM
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I think russia knows irans going to get it.
They wouldnt dare supply them with anything to drastic i reackon,
they jsut want to give them enough to have a CHANCE agaainst the US's broad sword... its air campaigns.

Iran, like Iraq have every right to defend themselves against any agressor.

The problem is, to many people by the hype from the US media.

I mean, they are DEFENDING themselves when they attack foreign invaders.
But the US says they are committing terrorist acts, and insurgent activies.



[edit on 16-1-2007 by Agit8dChop]



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 09:26 PM
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I wonder if China will be also supplying Iran with weapons after all China has more money invested in Iran than Russia, specially in the oil sector.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 09:59 PM
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I got this feeling iran is like a scorpion. it wont attack, with ALL it has, untill its pushed in a corner and threatened, much like the current situation with more and more troops...



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracymaster
I got this feeling iran is like a scorpion. it wont attack, with ALL it has, untill its pushed in a corner and threatened, much like the current situation with more and more troops...


Look at it from a reverse perspective, the US did nothing in WW2 until it was attacked by Japan and it ultimately exacted nuclear revenge.

To use the logic Fox News and its neocon Bosses would offer us, it would of been wrong for the US to arm and try and defend itself against the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour back in 1941.

All I ask is people here who are pro-Bush and pro-neocon to wake up to the fact you are being fed alot of propaganda and that the first casualty of war is the "TRUTH".



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 10:46 PM
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They're still playing cold war games. They see how the US helped bring down the Iron Curtain. Look at all of the countries that came to be because of the Soviet Union falling. I couldn't imagine losing a part of a country the size of Ukraine. It would be like the United States losing California, Oregon, and Washington. It's just mind boggling. And I'm sure the Russians still harbor ill will towards America for taking away their superpower status, atleast assisting in doing so. This does not surprise me. Proxy wars have been going on since the dawn of time.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 11:06 PM
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I just hope the better Iran’s missiles are, then the smaller the chance of us doing what we have done to Iraq will be. I doubt things will necessarily work that way; but I guess it’s a nice thought.

Perhaps the same is also true regarding their quest for a nuclear bomb? I don’t blame them for wanting one, and maybe the closure they get to a bomb the higher the chances of peace; and salvation from the Pentagons plans for the destruction of Iranian nation will be?

Regarding Lies…
If Iran wanted to commit suicide; then they already have biological weapons and therefore could commit suicide with Israel (if they were so inclined). The fact they have had the means since the late 1970’s says a lot about the apparently “Irrational Iranian Threat”. And so if we do go to war on that basis; then once again our troops will have fought and died for another lie.

Frankly let Russia sell Iran as many missiles as they like. The trouble it causes whoever attacks Iran could help the British and American people liberate ourselves from the Demo-Rep (or Con-Lab) political institutions that rule us from within.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 11:23 PM
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Iran is going down. I just can not fathom America accepting Iran funding and arming the very resistance in Baghdad's streets for much longer. On a side note, think about that city's name, Baghdad. Hong Kong and Sydney are forgotten yet everyone in the world hears the city name Baghdad on a constant basis. It's pretty powerful if you think about it. Back to the point, America has the perfect set up for an Iranian invasion. With Persian Gulf, Iraq, and Afghanistan access to Iran the possibilities are endless. I used to envision Iran being invaded in 2007-08 back when the whole "Axis of Evil" speach came out. Now I believe it will be around 2020. I fully expect Illinois' Barack Obama or some other democrat to hold down the oval office from 2008-2016. When the Republicans regain power in the White House, expect an Iranian invasion to ensue.

[edit on 16-1-2007 by LooseLipsSinkShips]



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Liberal1984

I just hope the better Iran’s missiles are, then the smaller the chance of us doing what we have done to Iraq will be. I doubt things will necessarily work that way; but I guess it’s a nice thought.



I wonder, what kind of person wishes for the death of their own countrymen as it appears you are with the above statement. Duh, please consider that the (British?) pilots you hope to see killed by these russian missiles will have been flying there on orders from their superiors, not because they necessarily wanted to be there. I really wish I could state my disgust (for your views) in the strongest possible terms, but I'm sure there's some rule here the would penalize me for doing so.


Regarding the OP, the thing that has always amazed me about russian protection of iran and russian arms dealing to iran is do the russians ever look at a map? Seriously, if the islamofascists in iran ever decide to take on a "great satan" infidel nation, the closest big power non-muslim country to iran is ------------(trumpet fanfare) ---------- russia! The very same russia that wants to sell iran the missile technology to put itself in range!

Can russia make a more idiotic strategic move??? Not likely.


[edit on 1/16/2007 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by mazzroth

Look at it from a reverse perspective, the US did nothing in WW2 until it was attacked by Japan and it ultimately exacted nuclear revenge.

To use the logic Fox News and its neocon Bosses would offer us, it would of been wrong for the US to arm and try and defend itself against the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour back in 1941.

All I ask is people here who are pro-Bush and pro-neocon to wake up to the fact you are being fed alot of propaganda and that the first casualty of war is the "TRUTH".


Intertesting avatar. Where do you get this stuff, your so-called "TRUTH"? I ask that because the above statements are totally contrary to reality. You talk about Fox like it preaches to pacifists? Where have you been? A Fox network in 1941 would most likely have advocated a pre-emptive attack on japan to prevent Pearl Harbor from being bombed.

So, here's the key question for you. Which is worse and what should the U.S. do (or have done) - wait to be attacked before responding, or execute a pre-emptive strike to keep from being attacked? You can't have it both ways ...

All I ask is for people that are still in school to finish (and pass!) their history classes before posting such as we see above.


[edit on 1/17/2007 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Liberal1984

I just hope the better Iran’s missiles are, then the smaller the chance of us doing what we have done to Iraq will be. I doubt things will necessarily work that way; but I guess it’s a nice thought.



I wonder, what kind of person wishes for the death of their own countrymen as it appears you are with the above statement. Duh, please consider that the (British?) pilots you hope to see killed by these russian missiles will have been flying there on orders from their superiors, not because they necessarily wanted to be there. I really wish I could state my disgust (for your views) in the strongest possible terms, but I'm sure there's some rule here the would penalize me for doing so.
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I believe what he meant was not for our allies to get shot down, but rather for the US/UK to realize that Iran could pose a serious threat, and to not attack Iran. Kind of like the US and russia having thousands of nuclear bombs in the cold war - they both knew better not to directly attack each other.

Whatever the case, sadly, war with Iran for one reason or another will probably be inevitable. Hopefully our stealth bombers could deal with those advanced missles and take down their military to minimize our own casualties, so we can kill hundreds of thousands of hardcore Muslim anti western radical militant terrorists that alot of people seem to view the entire Iranian population as
. Some of the arguments I've heard against Iran and the entire Mid East in general by some of the hardcore neo cons are absolutely ludicrous. I hear it alot in northern Florida.

Perhaps i'm wrong, and maybe most of their population is really hateful of us. But it sickens me when massive numbers of people who really have NOTHING at all to do with our international policies, just trying to live their lives, die for the greed, corruption, and insecurity of a powerful select few who run nations. Iran's population gets fed rhetoric, and the US can't even get the people's choice elected to President in 2000. So now we have someone who could really care less about what the polls say about his current war in Iraq and has some kind of scary agenda for the Middle East, and I highly doubt the people would really have any kind of say about an Iranian attack. Which is why I wholeheartedly agree with my sig.



[edit on 17-1-2007 by el_madmaster]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by conspiracymaster
russia has sold to iran? russia should be ashamed of itself!


Honesty you need to take 5 steps away from your T.V and enter the REAL WORLD.

Just a reminder, guess the US was supplying water pistols ?



Iran-Contra Affair



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 03:54 AM
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I wounder what other means of 'defense' russia has sold to iran? russia should be ashamed of itself!


What! you got to be kidding me! ashamed! Rubbish, this is normal business, US and UK have been doing this to dodgy countrys for years!

the best example is a young Rummy delivering arms to saddam, but thats only the tip of the ice burge.

why is it that people never remember the past.......

Daz Out.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
So, here's the key question for you. Which is worse and what should the U.S. do (or have done) - wait to be attacked before responding, or execute a pre-emptive strike to keep from being attacked? You can't have it both ways ...
All I ask is for people that are still in school to finish (and pass!) their history classes before posting such as we see above.


[edit on 1/17/2007 by centurion1211]


Centurion no disrespect but your patriotism blinds you, the simple fact I was protraying was that both sides play dirty.

You say my history is skewed ? ok fair comment and I may have not presented my case for the layman or idiot.

War is war, don't forget that and if you are giong to scream "thats unfair that the Iranians have gone and bought arms to defend itself... they can't do that ! only the US can do that" then your a bloody idiot!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by conspiracymaster
I wounder what other means of 'defense' russia has sold to iran? russia should be ashamed of itself!
[edit on 16-1-2007 by conspiracymaster]


Yeah so what? It's just the same as US giving weapons to Israel, except Israel uses them aggressively. Iran will use them for defence.

Where else are Iran going to get weapons from? Are you saying that they should be defenceless so we can just walk in there and take them over?

It doesn't work like that.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 05:43 AM
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Originally posted by malganis
Where else are Iran going to get weapons from? Are you saying that they should be defenceless so we can just walk in there and take them over?

It doesn't work like that.


Spot on, excellent post couldn't have said it any better.



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