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Originally posted by Jimmy1880
People in the western world have lost the natural ability to come together.
In every case of emergency in recent times people have purley relied on the Authorities and in the case of the Authorities not being able to cope or not turning up the population turns to looting, raping and murdering.
On a positive note after a certain amount of time people would find the ability to come together. But the time between "Yippee, now I can walk into Walmart and help myself to a plasma TV" to "Oh crap we all need to work together if any of us are going to survive" is all the time needed for the governments to have fullfilled their plans.
And I do wish Americans would stop going on about how heavily armed they are! So what what if you've got 10, 15, 20 or 500 million with guns!!! If martial law was announced this evening who's going magically organise all these civilians with guns into regiments of effective freedom fighters! that isn't going to happen! the most you get is some people firing potshots with his 9mm pistol at the APC's filled with 4/5 trained personell roaming the streets and that case the person firing will be shot and killed with a fully automatic M16 or .50cal
If the order was to stay indoors after sunset and anybody seen outside with be attacked with lethal force will you and maybe a couple of you buddies be outside with your pistols shouting "come and have a go if you fink ya 'ard enuff" Nah didn't think you would.
If the Government calls marshall law and they mean business, believe me it will not be a half arsed operation.
My 2pence
Originally posted by JackJuice
the patriot act is bad but give us time and we will repeal it peacefully, that's the way its been for generations.
Originally posted by FsuSteveO
Originally posted by JackJuice
the patriot act is bad but give us time and we will repeal it peacefully, that's the way its been for generations.
When has that happened in US history? Wait, it once happened with Prohibition...
The Sedition Act of 1918 is sometimes compared to the USA PATRIOT Act because of the latter's perceived chilling effect on free speech. However, the Sedition Act had the explicit and specific purpose of quelling anti-government speech while the nation was at war. The Sedition Act was repealed in 1921.
Originally posted by secretsoldier
Jimmy, I can't restrain myself. The arguments you have produced in this thread are mostly ridiculous. Your post about Hurricane Katrina made no point. In fact, it only serves to prove how wrong you are about all of this. You yourself cited the incidents in the French Quarter in which the police and army were unable to control the looters or stop the anarchy in the streets. So you are basically saying the powers that be couldn't control the mindless citizens of New Orleans? And this is after they just sat through one of the worst hurricanes in history. SO HOW COULD THEY CONTROL THE ENTIRE AMERICAN POPULATION AFTER THE DECLARATION OF MARTIAL LAW WHEN THEY CAN'T EVEN HANDLE A BUNCH OF HOMELESS HURRICANE REFUGEES? Can you imagine the sort of coast to coast anarchy that would ensue the moment martial law was declared in America? Probably not, because you think all Americans are fat and live in trailers and eat McDonald's and watch MTV all day. Well here's something for you to think about. AMERICANS ARE NOT THE MINDLESS ROBOTS YOU THINK WE ARE.
And in the end, what does our government gain from all of this? Not much. They just wasted a lot of time and money killing people and rendering the work force of America useless. After all this martial law nonsense, do you really think Joe Blow is going to get up in the morning and go back to his cubicle at Megacorp, Inc?
You state that a successful armed resistance in the US in case of Martial Law is but a myth.
That would make the ratio of gun wielding American's to US Military personnel about* 4:1
The government knows full well that there is plenty of American citizens that have been in the military, received the same training as the active duty personnel, gotten out, and would vow to fight tooth and nail to preserve the American freedoms.
First yep it is actualy an offense to not carry a form of legal identification. You can actualy be detained for not having an ID.
And try and get a job without a form of ID, IE Social Security Card. State ID. It is possible but you realy don't want that job either.
And figure out a way to fight a war without a body count and you will be a world hero.
You severely underestimate this country. First off, how many soldiers do you think will actually still fight when they know the constitution and bill of rights are null and void?
How many will fight knowing their Fathers, Mothers and children are being arrested in droves?
How many soldiers will kill innocent Americans just because they were told to?
9Mils?? Come on...we are a lot better armed than that! And once again...who exactly will be driving those APC's when most of the military deserts?
Kid a little more education is due here. Take some time and research lawful and unlawful orders. I don't care what the situation is martial law, natural disaster, or whatever; just about every person in the military is capable of discerning between the two. Engaging U.S. citizens will not be taken as a lawful order.
well at least you got that right. but tell me, what will happen when the guys in that apc, or the guys piloting that apache decide after examining their own concience that the administration is the domestic threat?
For Christ's sake, what does the events of Katrina have to do with Martial Law?
They could either run down those with class c permits (full auto licenses) or lock down the big cities, but I honestly don't think both could be done at the same time.
let me ask, and this is primarily to the us citizens, do any of you REALLY believe that its worse now than say, during ww2? ration stamps? wholesale detention of anyone of japanese decent? you want as close to martial law as this country has seen since lincolns age, then kids there you had it.
One guy took out half the town of Granby Colorado in June of 2004 when he built his own tank out of a bulldozer. He was only killed after the tank ran out of gas.
Originally posted by whatukno
what about the illegal weponry in the hands of people that arn't exactly friends with the law to begin with? (Read) drug dealers, gang members etc.
One guy took out half the town of Granby Colorado in June of 2004 when he built his own tank out of a bulldozer. He was only killed after the tank ran out of gas.
Yeah but what are a few gangstas/backyard wannabe cowboys going to do against soldiers of the most advanced military in the world?
Flash their uzis at them?
The only hope would be if the majority of the military were to desert the government. Which could happen, but look what happened to deserters in Nazi Germany! Scare tactics would be employed to try and keep government support.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
What happen if they say they'll nuke any city that fight against the government?
Originally posted by Damocles
OK my first reaction to that was to spit soda all over my monitor laughing so hard.
im done with this thread.
Well... cutting electricity in major cities, (but that would be terrorism) and have people prepared with bullhorns to march on Washington... With a few dozens of people in the right place, you can do a lot of things.
ok my first reaction to that was to spit soda all over my monitor laughing so hard.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
I say that because a lot of americans have turn away from freedom to making money. They don't care, as long as they make money, eat and think the way a lot of people on ATS thinks: If you have nothing to hide, why not?
Originally posted by Vitchilo
+ NATO forces, + mexicans soldiers + UN forces + mercenaries + police officers, then you have a ratio of 1:1... and in a city, you're screwed, because they have tanks. I know ATS is full of patriotics members that would fight to the death in case of dictatorship, but isn't ATS a regroupment of the ``patriot elite``?
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Yeah but in the military, you have a lot of equipment, you have air support, tank support, and good soldiers with you.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Yeah, but with the ID, all is centralized, if you become ``the enemy`` you won't be able to pay with money, because that's the next stage, electronic money.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Well... cutting electricity in major cities, (but that would be terrorism) and have people prepared with bullhorns to march on Washington... With a few dozens of people in the right place, you can do a lot of things.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
For a good reason the government will create, that will affect the soldiers.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Not arrested, protected by the government for their own security. And the family of the SS weren't arrested, they were probably on a list to protect them.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
That's the trick, they won't see them as americans, but terrorists or traitors.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Mercenaries, NATO, mexicans, UN forces, US military maybe China's military?
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Of course, I know that (I hope) at least of the military will turn against the government, but will it be enough? Just look at what's happening in Iraq, 3000 americans dead, over 600.000 iraqis... What happen if they say they'll nuke any city that fight against the government?
Originally posted by Vitchilo
You know the concept DENIAL? A lot of people, to protect their own conscience, will turn in denial to avoid the shame of what they just done. Eventually, they will wake up, but how much time will it takes?
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Well, an extreme situation created by an alledged foreign threat? Weather, terrorist attack...
Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Well, I know a lot of laws that the congress passed, and the president have more power than in anytime in the US history. And with HR1, the democrats have pushed the police state further. Next in their agenda, legalization of illegal immigrants and free speech restriction.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
And I open the thread again with another statement, I'm not so sure that martial law will ever be imposed, it would be too obvious, because the words martial law get people angry... It will only be a spiral to dictatorship like we saw since september 2001. No martial law, just freedoms taken away more and more and more and more. In that case, will the people ever stand against it?