The myth of successful armed resistance in the US in case of martial law, page 1
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Topic started on 16-1-2007 @ 06:15 AM by Vitchilo
The myth of successful armed resistance in the US in case of martial law

When I read some of the post here on ATS and others forums about martial law in the US, I always see posts that are claiming that if martial law is ever declared all over the country, the people will fight and it's gonna be worse than in Iraq. DId the people in New Orleans fought when they took their guns and went into their homes? Also, in Iraq, most of the casualties inflicted to the US army are made by IEDs and suicide bombers, not with guns.

In the US, there's 80 millions guns owners, but of those, how much would fight or keep their firearms when the police/military kick their doors and take them like they did in New Orleans? Let's say 25% keep their guns, on those 25%, how many people will fight? 50% of those? That's 10 millions people. You say that's a lot of armed people.

But let's make a comparaison with Iraq. In Iraq, under Saddam, almost every home had at least 1 gun. Iraq's population was 26 millions in 2005, that means they had at least 20 millions guns, they were armed to the teeth... and who fighted and overthrown Saddam, a dictatorship? Not a lot of people. Those who fighted only fighted the troops in southern Iraq, killing some police officers, some soldiers but it's not this way that you will regain your country. What I want to say is that even with the basic technology of the Iraqi government and their equipment, they were able to keep their dictatorship because of the spies they had in the population.

In the US, the police state is growing little by little, making lists of ``possible threat`` including people protesting against the war and political enemies, over 300.000 names on that list , the militias are surely on that list. Putting cameras all over the place, like in schools , manipulating kids to love the government and denying them access to information and giving them good behavior drugs , or even spy on their own students. They start early to manipulate them by fingerprinting 5 years old kids or banning typical school games or even taking DNA at birth. For the adults, spying on citizens by listening to them or watching them, taking their fingerprint to have a mortage or by scanning you, your shoes and your eyes . New technology to ``detect violent behavior`` or more technology for police to scan car license-plates that would help localize someone. They admits they breach your privacy and will soon force you to have the ID card or maybe become a spy for the US government? When the private mercenaries will come for you, assisted with the planes scanning your neighboorhood, what will you do? When everything you say online will be monitored what will you do to ignite a revolution like the founding fathers did when the time will be needed? You won't be able to talk on planes , on internet, by emails, on the streets, on the phone, on radio, without being monitored. HOW WILL YOU ORGANIZE? When your alone or in group, it will be very hard to win a skirmish in the street without being monitored, recorded and then tracked by the army. They will know who killed who, where you are, who was with you, then they'll come after you and put you in a concentration camp that Halliburton built just under your nose.

It's hard in Iraq because the technological police state wasn't there FIRST. In the USA, it will be there and full functionnal when the crap hit the fan. The only way to fight will be in the wild side of the country, and those inside the cities will be under total control. That's why the fight against a police state must be won at the 2008 elections, because do you imagine 8 more years of push for a police state?

Will you fight when they announce the North American Union? Will you fight when the country is bankrupt because of them? Will you fight when they take your guns? Will you fight when the election is cancelled? Will you fight if they go into Iran? Will you fight if they impose a draft? Will you fight if they put martial law? Will you fight if they legalize illegal immigrants? Will you fight if they start chipping everybody?

And to prepare or work to avoid this day, what will you do?

[edit on 16-1-2007 by Vitchilo]


reply posted on 16-1-2007 @ 08:21 AM by Vitchilo
Our people don't idealize our leaders...

I'm not convinced of that, just look at the neo-cons and those who believe the war on terror bullcrap. Some christians think Bush is sent by God to fight the ``islamofascists`` and fight for Israël so the Messiah can come back

The armies would not follow a man/woman who says to confine their own, because regardless of what is preached in your country the truth is that we have a peoples army made up of our own children.

I hope that this is truth, but under an ``extreme`` event, like a nuke blowing up a city before the election, or an intergalactic threat... a lot of the army would submit.


So, Vitchilo... are you implying that every American, owner or a gun or not, should willingly accept the idea that when Martial Law is declared on the United States soil, we should all give up, roll over, and play dead?

No, I'm just saying to act NOW peacefully to overturn this crap before it's too late, because I see too many people saying that their guns will save them. That the government would never allow martial law because they fear the armed american people.


The steps and route the current Administration is taking, along with the goals of the Illuminati, heading for the New World Order... I will never follow. I also believe anyone that is a true American, that feels deeply in their unalienable rights to freedom, liberty, rights, and their life, liberty, and personal pursuit of happiness... of which this great nation was founded, will not follow their suit as well.

AMEN to that.


Again, you are wrong, Vitchilo, to encourage people not to defend their freedoms, even if that requires the spilling of one's own blood.

Well, as I said before, I'm encouraging people to act BEFORE it's too late and to not accept any breach of their rights.


reply posted on 16-1-2007 @ 08:34 AM by Infoholic
Originally posted by Vitchilo
No, I'm just saying to act NOW peacefully to overturn this crap before it's too late, because I see too many people saying that their guns will save them. That the government would never allow martial law because they fear the armed american people.....[/edit/]....Well, as I said before, I'm encouraging people to act BEFORE it's too late and to not accept any breach of their rights.


OK, I must have misunderstood your original post, then.

I agree. People must take action. Any action at all. However, as your original post states, about martial law being declared... we can all safely assume the aforementioned steps of peaceable action have been taken... with that in mind...

It is your 2nd Amendment Right, the right to keep and bear arms, that keeps America from heading straight down the crapper. The fact that the government knows, 10 million (or less) Americans will bear arms against them, is the only thing that prevents Martial Law from being declared in America right now. The 2nd Amendment Right to bear arms is the only thing that prevents the USA from being declared under the New World Order.

Simply put, the government knows too many (no matter how few that is) of us will in fact stand against them in a violent means. That threat is the only thing protecting your right to speak against the violent means.

The threat of Americans like me and those others that will willingly use arms against our government in your idealistic cases, is the only thing that protects the rights of the rest that choose to talk about the problems, and to take peaceable actions.



Speaking of peaceable actions, is this close to what you are referring to?
www.petitiononline.com...

[edit on 1/16/2007 by Infoholic]


reply posted on 16-1-2007 @ 09:45 AM by Jimmy1880
I Posted a reply in another thread on a similar subject a couple of days ago,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Jimmy1880

As for the arguement that the armed Civilian populace will make a big stand, IMHO I wouldn't count on it. Was I the only one to see the local populations response to Hurricane Katrina! I didn't see the cohesion of your fellow man there!!! No what I saw was every man, woman and child for himself. That or lets just stay here and wait, the government will save the day!

...

What about 9/11 the local population were simply just gobsmacked, they were panicking! that was just one attack, imagine New York being pounded by Artillery fire, Being bombed from the Air and raided by infantry and mobile artillery! Can you honestly tell me that the average family guy, pensioner or Gang banger will be on the streets with their 9mm Pistols, agian IMHO. I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING!

Please stop trying to kid yourselves that the USA is at this moment is safe! If all your troops were home yes you would be alot safer so I would say to all Americans. Mobilise yourselves, get on the streets and REALLY protest at your governments foreign policy. Get your troops HOME!

Take care all


I'm not an American basher, this phenominon is universal the Western civilisation, we are taught from an early age that taking the law into our own hands is wrong. At school we are taught that if we are being bullied we MUST go straight to a teacher who will then sort out the problem. This mental conditioning stays with us into adulthood.Thats how governments keep us law fearing citizens, by making us think that the police are the only people that can and should help us. Imagine if they taught us that if we were being bullied we should create a clan out of fellow classmates wait untill after school and beat the bully to an inch of his life! If that was what we were being taught there would be anarchy as people roamed the streets delivering the law as they see fit.

The two examples I give above are the difference between Western civilisation and African/Arab/Asian tribes.

The good thing about how we are conditioned is that an advanced society is allowed to develop because of the complicated law structure and dicipline, the negative side is that is takes away a communities feeling of collective responsibility.

People in the western world have lost the natural ability to come together.
In every case of emergency in recent times people have purley relied on the Authorities and in the case of the Authorities not being able to cope or not turning up the population turns to looting, raping and murdering.

On a positive note after a certain amount of time people would find the ability to come together. But the time between "Yippee, now I can walk into Walmart and help myself to a plasma TV" to "Oh crap we all need to work together if any of us are going to survive" is all the time needed for the governments to have fullfilled their plans.

And I do wish Americans would stop going on about how heavily armed they are! So what what if you've got 10, 15, 20 or 500 million with guns!!! If martial law was announced this evening who's going magically organise all these civilians with guns into regiments of effective freedom fighters! that isn't going to happen! the most you get is some people firing potshots with his 9mm pistol at the APC's filled with 4/5 trained personell roaming the streets and that case the person firing will be shot and killed with a fully automatic M16 or .50cal

If the order was to stay indoors after sunset and anybody seen outside with be attacked with lethal force will you and maybe a couple of you buddies be outside with your pistols shouting "come and have a go if you fink ya 'ard enuff" Nah didn't think you would.

If the Government calls marshall law and they mean business, believe me it will not be a half arsed operation.

My 2pence


reply posted on 16-1-2007 @ 10:50 AM by bsbray11
Originally posted by dAlen
- As far as fighting...your right guns wont do.
It takes an attitude shift. Like the movie Merlin, ignore it, dont feed it your energy, and it will go away. All these games in Iraq, etc. (wars) are to feed off of peoples energy.
Learn to take control of who you are...conquer yourself first, and then watch the world change. Slow? Well faster and more pleasant then if you never set out on the path of peace.


I thought that this was worth having repeated in this thread.

And after you get to the stage dAlen's talking about here, there's nothing stopping you from getting a gun just in case you ever feel like shooting anybody anyway.

From where I stand, what we commonly know as universally good or evil are even unfounded biases, that nature does not honor. In nature, animals may fight when one first interferes with another. If any form of universal evil exists, fundamentally it would be these kind of "hindering" interferences with our healthier behaviors as humans, which I think are ultimately non-violent. So I don't consider myself particularly violent, but I would see it objectively as a "net gain", if you will, if someone came to me in an attempt to take my life, and I shot them in the face instead. Better them than me for several reasons, I would imagine, and let's see if anything in nature bothers to punish me for what some may consider "bad". Not that I really care either way, and not like getting killed before I can defend myself is really THAT big a deal either.

My cent thrown in with your's. A pretty ugly rant actually. :-/

[edit on 16-1-2007 by bsbray11]
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