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CIA prison-plane observed in Stavanger, Norway

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posted on Jan, 15 2007 @ 04:31 AM
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Despite the norwegian (any many other countries) foreign directorat complaining about the CIA using allied countries to do their illegal prison transport, it's still going on


I read this in the norways biggest newspaper today. My translation:



Mysterious plane landed in Stavanger

The plane of the type Casa CN 235 with registration number N196D, is connected to the american intelligence service.

According to numerous reports during the last years, the plane is said to be involved in the transportation of prisoners suspected of terrorism to and from secret prisons in, among other places, countries in the former east europe.

From the tower in Sola, VG is told that the twoengine turboprp plane came from Split in Croatia, and that it was enroute to the US via Keflavik outside Reykjavik in Island.

-We have no idea who owns the plane, or what mission it was on, says one of the air traffic control leaders in the tower in Stavanger airport (Sola).

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Registered owner of the plane is Devold Holding & Leasing Inc in Lexington i North Carolina, USA. This company does not exist according to official registers.



www.vg.no... (Norwegian)



So despite protests they are still going on with this


Found a thread from March 2005 regarding the same airport but a different plane:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I also saw a thread here on ATS a couple of weeks back that posted the registration number of one of these planes, and on Wikipedia you could read a bit about the history of the plane and the fact that it was used by the CIA. I can't find this thread with the search however, and the registration number N196D does not appear in Wikipedia.

Anybody out there who can confirm the part about this plane belongs to a CIA front?

[edit on 15-1-2007 by DrLeary]




posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 09:48 PM
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Is there anybody out there that can confirm what the cargo or passenger manifest was of this plane? One can speculate what the purpose of the flight was, but to say "So despite protests they are still going on with this," without knowledge of what was going on is a big assumption. Somehow I don't see this type of aircraft being the preferred platform for that type of mission anyhow.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 09:56 PM
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From Rense:


Rense: More CIA Contractors, Prisoner Flights Detailed


Other CIA and private mercenary contractor planes that overflew Denmark (including Greenland) and are suspected of being CIA transports include:

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-- a CASA CN235 CT7 (N196D) registered to Devon Holding and Leasing and Steven Express Leasing and seen in Malta Luqa on May 17, 2004.

So you might be right about this plane, DrLeary...



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 09:59 PM
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If it can be done, it will be done. It is not illegal if no one knows about it.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 10:01 PM
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Also there's a report here from Amnesty International which mentions this plane:

USA: Below the radar: Secret flights to torture and 'disappearance' - Amnesty International



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 10:03 PM
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I'm guessing any CIA flight would fall into the secret flight category though. It's not gonna have CIA painted on the side.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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Pleasure to meet you Dr. Leary. Loved your adventures in the 60's man.


Having done some of the legwork on the other ATS link you provided, I'm not sure if anyone can "confirm" this is a CIA plane.

Last I remember, that type of plane looks similar to the ones that they ferry the administrators on, not prisoners.

I'll try to see what I can find out.


[edit] Ha, the photographer is the same as the one I emailed about the other plane. I'll email him again and see if he has any more details.

[edit on 1/17/07 by makeitso]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 12:19 AM
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Ok, I dug into it for a bit, but this will be my last post for the night.

Using the tail number on the plane in the image, (assuming the photographer will verify this image is of the plane in question on the day in question), the FAA confirms it is registered to:

Name DEVON HOLDING & LEASING INC
Street 129 W CENTER ST
City LEXINGTON
State NORTH CAROLINA
Zip Code 27292-3009
Country UNITED STATES
Serial Number C139
Model CN-235



A quick search of Planespotters shows that it was making trips to Afghanistan as early as 2004.


N196D (cn C139) Routed via Halifax-Newfoundland-Keflavik-Edinburgh-Frankfurt-Malta-Amman. This Casa is on its way to Afghanistan together with 2 other Cn235's. Owned by Devon Holding & Leasing Inc.


Next
A St. Louis Indy Media article discussing renditions provides a chart of 28 suspected aircraft. Plane N196D, Serial # C139 is on this list.

Next
Globalsecurity lists this specific plane in relationship to renditions.


There is no Devon Holding and Leasing Inc. at 129 W. Center St. in Lexington, N.C. There is no phone listing. The city offices have never heard of it; neither has the Chamber of Commerce.

It is almost certainly a CIA shell company, existing on paper only, and the turboprop was likely carrying a "ghost" prisoner to a country where torture is used during interrogations.


Next
amnesty internation, (who I don't like), has a different list of rendition planes. Guess who is on it? Yup, Plane N196D, Serial # C139 is on this list too.

COMPANIES AND AIRCRAFT LINKED TO RENDITION FLIGHTS IN PRESS AND PARLIAMENTARY REPORTS

OWNER/OPERATOR Registration / Number Manufacturer’s / Number Aircraft TYPE
AERO CONTRACTORS
DEVON HOLDING/AEROCONTRACTORS N168D C-135 CASA CN-235-300
DEVON HOLDING/AEROCONTRACTORS N196D C-139 CASA CN-235
DEVON HOLDING/AEROCONTRACTORS N187D C-143 CASA CN-235


Final link for the night.
Dogspot lists the plane in relation to rendition flights, and gives us another clue to follow. Do you see it?


N196D stopped in Malta, on May 17, 2004 -- its itinerary was Halifax-St.John's-Keflavik-Edinburgh-Frankfurt-Malta-Amman-Afghanistan. Paper work filed indicated two owners: Devon Holding and Leasing and Stevens Express Leasing Company of Tennessee, another front company being investigated by the Spanish Interior Ministry for fronting for torture flights through Mallorca, Ibiza, and Tenerife in the Canary Islands.


I'll try to work on this more later. Good Post Dr. Leary.



[edit on 1/18/07 by makeitso]



posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 04:01 AM
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Great work people! I was kind of fearing this thread would just go unnoticed, but here you are digging up more than enough to satisfy what I would call 'reasonable doubt'. It's seems pretty sure this is indeed a CIA plane.

Somehow I doubt they are flying administrators around the world in these planes
I might be wrong, but I would think the CIA administrators do just that, administrate, in an office somewhere in the US. But as someone pointed out, we don't know what or who was on that plane.

It worries me that the CIA can go about their business this way without anyone knowing what they're doing. It would be easy for them to stage fake terrorist attacks, or smuggle in anyone anywhere they want, when no country has any control and they are basically given a free pass to go wherever they want. Maybe I'm just a bit too paranoid



posted on Jul, 31 2007 @ 10:27 PM
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I came across this post in google. I caught N186D at Basecamp, so it is certainly CIA.

www.lazygranch.com...



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 11:44 PM
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Hey , the Spooks have to fly too. You can't walk to Afghanistan or Iraq. If they are transporting bad guys or field guys, so what? One way or the other they are going to do their work whether we are watching or not.

I'm sure that there are several security agreements and even treaty obligations that give them enough latitude to transit allied countries. It's just how the game is played. Even if the country they are operating out of or through complains a little, I would bet it's only to throw off some of the complaints they might receive from people who oppose what we are doing. Plausible Deniablity.

Tracking their aircraft and posting about doesn't stop what they are doing. The other players in the game are probably tracking them too.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 03:19 AM
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I started a thread a couple years back and got no replies...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Baseball and Torture... what a world.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 01:23 PM
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Rendition aircraft tracking was and still is a hot topic on the net, but mostly in private email. I never ran into a website doing such tracking.

I can say that N196d is becoming a regular in the Nellis ranges, at least for gas and go. They hit Basecamp twice on a cross country trip to PSP (Palm Springs). And of course I photographed at Basecamp on their extended training.

N312ME visits the Nellis range too. It filed to BTY on 7/25/2007, though it probably didn't land there. It left from DRA on 7/29/2007.

N475LC showed up at LAS on 7/27/2007. Filing after that date is a bit confusing. Lots of cancellations. It might still be in the desert but flying VFR to avoid tracking.

I know last year one of the rendition aircraft was in Reno. I don't recall the date and my database isn't the most organized, though I could find the data if someone really needed it. As you probably know, some of the fake registrations come out of Reno.

I have tracking on about 30 of these rendition aircraft if you need to know the location of a particular aircraft.

I got a photo of N505ll when it was in the bay area. Just a gas and go as far as I can tell. The Nellis range flights are more interesting since it is likely they are training on the range.



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 12:47 AM
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I entered N196D into flightaware.com and got this.

Same with N312ME

and with N475LC

So how do you track them?

CT



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 01:04 AM
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I saw your ealier post and looked at your website some. Nice work. Good posts, glad to see you here.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
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I entered N196D into flightaware.com and got this.

Same with N312ME

and with N475LC

So how do you track them?


CT



Well, I don't use flightaware. ;-) Beyond that, I really can't comment.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 03:07 AM
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They really should be shot down on sight...

CIA is a terrorist organisation just as Al-Queda, just depends which side you're on. For the record I don't support either...



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by flice

They really should be shot down on sight...

There are some better targets here. Actually, they shouldn't be shot down, but seized and put on the firedump so they can't be used anymore.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 03:16 AM
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Well, wouldn't you say that the US forces are getting what they bargained for... or atleast what their leader bargained for?
That's the price you pay when you blindly follow the orders of a madman.
I hold no pity for the dead. We should just have left the middleeast to fall into itself with it's everlasting turmoil.

But to be true to what I said before... sure, that target would be "just as good" as the CIA planes. No more no less...



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 04:32 AM
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The world would be a better place without these weapons to fuel wars around the world. And some country's taxpayer's money are in these guys' pockets... :shk:

However, weapons trafficking and prison flights are two different things. But since we're tracking planes here, tracking Viktor Bout's planes could be interesting. Maybe the CIA even used Bout's planes for prison transports?







 
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