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reply posted on 15-1-2007 @ 07:33 PM by Edn
Originally posted by makeitso
Originally posted by Edn
And I thought the US was there to help Iraq, it seams they don't give a dam what the Iraqi government wants.


Well, thats strange. I dont see anything in the article you linked that says Iraq was upset about it.

Perhaps I can help you with that.

Mithal Alusi, a member of the (Iraqi) National Parliament, charged that the detainees were Iranian intelligence officers involved in terrorist activities in northern Iraq. He insisted that they did not have diplomatic status.

U.S. raids in northern Iraq nab several Iranians



Funny you should pick out that paragraph from that article, riped out on its own its paints a very different picture but lets read some other parts of the article shall we.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshayr Zebari called the U.S. raids "very, very embarrassing." One resulted in the arrest of legitimate Iranian diplomats and the second nearly triggered a gunfight between American and local Iraqi security forces, he said.

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Iraqi Foreign Minister Zebari, however, told McClatchy Newspapers that the Iranian office had operated in Irbil for more than 10 years and the Iranians were in Iraq legally. "This is very, very embarrassing," he said. "The Iraqi government was aware of who was in that office."

Later Thursday, U.S. forces staged a second raid, attempting to enter Irbil airport and abduct a group of unidentified individuals, he said.

Members of a Kurdish paramilitary force known as peshmerga confronted the Americans when they refused to identify themselves, and a gun battle was narrowly averted "at the 11th hour," said Zebari.

He said U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad told him that the first raid was aimed at people who were trying to harm U.S. troops. Khalilzad said he was unaware of the operation at the airport.

I'm sorry but Bush and his troops are playing a very dangerous game, there deliberately keeping the Iraqi government out of the loop on some of there operations, not to mention Bush needs a reality check, more troops and more aggressive stratagys is no way to stabilize a country, how do I know? Britain has been fighting in Ireland for 20 years and know how this kind of situation needs to be handled, and raiding buildings and abducting people doesn't help at all.


reply posted on 15-1-2007 @ 07:44 PM by makeitso
Mezzanine
We still cant get a straight answer as to whether or not the men captured had diplomatic immunity or not. Until then, no one should rush to judgement.


How much higher can you go for confirmation than the statement of the Deputy Speaker of the Iraqi Parliament?

Mithal Alusi, a member of the (Iraqi) National Parliament, charged that the detainees were Iranian intelligence officers involved in terrorist activitiesin northern Iraq. He insisted that they did not have diplomatic status.

U.S. raids in northern Iraq nab several Iranians


MULTI-NATIONAL FORCE-IRAQ
COMBINED PRESS INFORMATION CENTER

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Coalition Forces continue investigations into the activities of five Iranian nationals detained in Irbil on Jan. 11. Preliminary results revealed the five detainees are connected to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard – Qods Force (IRGC-QF), an organization known for providing funds, weapons, improvised explosive device technology and training to extremist groups attempting to destabilize the Government of Iraq and attack Coalition forces.

The facility in which the detention took place has been described by various Iraqi officials as an Iranian liaison office, but it did not enjoy the diplomatic status of a consulate according to Iraqi and U.S. officials.


Mezzanine
And even if the men who were caught were helping to train the insurgency, this country has a legal obligation to release them, no matter what.


We should release them no mater what? Even though they don't have diplomatic immunity? Do you have a reference for that law?

Mezzanine
The law is the law, and it needs to be respected.


Correct.
At this point in time it appears that the Coalition Forces were well within the law, and the detainees were not. That needs to be respected.


[edit on 1/15/07 by makeitso]



reply posted on 16-1-2007 @ 01:21 AM by Luxifero
makeitso,

You want references and links for what reason? You can pull some out off the internet very beautifully, congratulations.

May I ask you, makeitso, does the U.S have a list of all Revolutionary Guards in Iran and was this listed used to confirm that the 6 detained were involved in terrorist activities? Has the U.S issued any evidence of this other than vague conjecture? Even the BBC will admit that the U.S provides little if not any evidence for their repeated and prolixly claims that Iran is interfering in the insurgency.

Does the U.S government have such a complex network that after capturing 6 Iranians they can ascertain only hours and days after the evet their guilt? Amazing, to bad it's failed in some of the most important aspects in this war on terrorism: Osama Bin Laden and 9/11. No?

You also mentioned that the Iraqies have committed acts of criminality towards Iranian buildings in Iraq. Thank you for proving that the U.S's efforts to promote peace and rational conscious all over Iraq is an utter and complete failure and more so for proving how a small faction can somehow reflect the entire nation of Iraq's view on Iranians in their country.

The Iranian building was under legal issues coming about to become a consulate but I would wonder who would find this detrimental to their own interests? Hm....let's think here, who just decided to destroy the bloody building? Americans...of course !

Luxifero




[edit on 16-1-2007 by Luxifero]


reply posted on 17-1-2007 @ 10:57 AM by makeitso
IRANIAN ARRESTED IN ERBIL IS WANTED IN AUSTRIA

Tehran, 17 Jan. (AKI) - One of the five Iranians arrested last week by the US army in the northern Iraqi city of Erbil is wanted in Austria in connection with the assassination of Kurdish leader Andol Rahman Ghassemlu in 1989. Mahommad Jaafari Sharoudi was one of five Iranian officials detained last week in the Kurdish-controlled city on charges of being connected to a faction of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the Pasdaran, that funds and arms insurgents in Iraq.

According to the Austrian police, the killers escaped arrest by hiding in Iran's embassy in Vienna.


Looks like this bad boy might have to sit out for the rest of the war.













[edit on 1/17/07 by makeitso]

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