Some much needed emotion in the H2H forum. semp, I am looking forward to the last few miles here.
Initially I must apologize to my opponent. I do not believe I had ever said that he used the term "bum", but I had inclined that the term was
widely used by society. Bit of a difference, but I wished to initially clear that up.
Absolutely the Survival of the fittest. When are the Socialist going to learn that their system has failed in every attempt throughout history?
A big heart will not feed the starving country, fix a failed economy or free the citizens that will flee from such a state as has occurred in the
Remember; “The path to Hell is paved with good intentions.”
Now semper, my friend, this is the smoke screen that I am trying to bring awareness to. None of this has any relevance to the topic at hand. Do I
agree with the statement you are trying to portray? I may, I may not, none of it has any validity to the topic at hand. We are discussing whether or
not the homeless are a victim of their own wrongdoing. We are not discussing whether or not Socialism has worked in the past or the effects it may
have on the economy. Sure, both of these components have a relevance to homelessness, but we are dealing with a specific aspect of homelessness. We
are dealing with "exactly" how they had found themselves without a home. We are asking the question "it is their own fault"? What society,
government, etc., have to do to resolve the issue, has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Hence, the smoke screen.
You question my first hand experience with pure logic. But is a small portion of first hand experience better than none at all? I am merely trying
to instill a sense of possibility into this debate. You and I, on a daily basis run the risk of becoming the next statistic of homelessness.
Sometimes the events that play out before us, completely out of our control, could leave us in the gutter. This percentage of homeless people do
exist, and I have met them, which is why I resent the notion that homeless individuals are a product of their own wrongdoing.
That is NOT enough for you to make any even mildly correct evaluations of their plight or their particular circumstances.
And what have you done through your own efforts, that has been "enough"? Searching statistics on the internet? Reading studies done by
organizations that have a specific agenda? Consumed by material that is completely slandered with blatant bias? I do not wish to construe any of the
details pertaining to the subject at hand, merely present the first hand experiences I have enjoyed.
Of the homeless individuals I have met, "most" of them were in their situation do to extenuating circumstances that were beyond their own control.
Of those who were on the streets due to personal reasons, they were doing their best to help themselves out but had little acceptance from society.
My opponent has said time and time again that society is willing to do what it can to help these individuals. But it is quite clear that this is not
the case. I reference the job interview once again. Without some concrete contact information, how can they possibly attain employment? They can
not, due to the fact that they are going to be judged by their economical situation. Efforts could be made to accommodate the individual quite
easily. They could check back in over the next week or two to see if they are interested, or place more emphasis on their own merit rather than
economical situation. But this would not be an option, because it is a fair assumption to make that, the organization will quickly judge the attire,
look, etc., of the individual.
Society has swung the pendulum the other way when it comes to race, gender, sexual preference, etc., but it fails to acknowledge their prejudices when
it comes to economical situations of the individual.
And yet MILLIONS apparently manage this feat of impossibility. I wonder how it is that MANY do and some do not. Perhaps it is Choice after all. Some
choose to, others do not. That would sure explain it.
Quite the opposite actually, as I had never said the homeless do not overcome the situation. What I had said was, it is extremely difficult to
overcome the hurdles placed before them. But if five homeless individuals find a home, employment, care, etc., today, than five more will find
themselves on the street by the time the sun goes down. But again, this is not a debate on whether or not it is a choice to stay on the street.
Connectedness is a big issue with homelessness. Individuals may find themselves on the street and take comfort in the seclusion they inherit. But
that is not the topic of our discussion. Our discussion is whether or not it is their choice to find themselves on the street.
So yet again, this is another large percentage of your post, that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Remember, it is the process of
finding themselves on the street. Even the "Survival of the Fittest" mentality is completely irrelevant to the situation, because that only comes
into play once the individual finds themself on the street.
"Are Homeless Individuals A Victim Of Their Own Wrongdoing?"
Choosing to wait until such time as enough Liberals activists can enable the Government to take care of them with little or no effort on their part.
Do you not see that this has nothing to do with the subject at hand?
It is quite clear that you have strayed far off topic in your pursuit to inundate us with the "Conservative" mentality.
To imagine that we could debate every single aspect of Homelessness in an opening, closing and 2 rebuttals is unrealistic. As such, the only choice we
are left with is to discuss the issue in all of its generalities.
No, we are discussing one specific aspect of homelessness. The process in which they find themselves on the street is what we are discussing. Your
attempt to discuss all of the generalities of the topic has left you wandering about the subject in the presence of your own smokescreen.
To conclude my final rebuttal, I wish to look at the facts to the subject at hand once again.
Who Are The Homeless?
Let's compare the lists.
chissler - ■
semperfortis - •
■ Serious Mental Illness
■ Foster Care Children
■ Victims of Domestic Abuse
■ Civilians During War
■ War Veterans
■ Genocide Survivors
• Marital or relationship breakdown
• Leaving care
• Leaving prison
• A sharp deterioration of mental health
• Increased drug or alcohol misuse
• A financial crisis or mounting debts
My opponent has openly stated that the majority of homeless individuals are "over-nighters" which are made up of what? Widows? I fail to see how
anyone chooses to be a widow. I would have to rethink my search engines on that one. We can look at victims of eviction, drug abuse, alcohol abuse,
etc., now we are to believe that these individuals make up the majority?
I find that extremely
tough to believe, and I do not accept it.
Are we to believe that drug abusers outweigh the victims of genocide worldwide? Are we to believe that individuals who were evicted from their homes
outweigh the number of homeless civilians during war? Now my opponent would have you believe yes, but is that actually the case?
The truth is quite clear to me, but I guess it is a decision that is left to be made by the individual.
Taking a closer look at Darfur,
According to the United Nations, at least 70,000 people have been killed, mainly civilians, and about 1.6 million have fled their homes.
Nicholas D Kristof Op-Ed column says Pres Bush has not spoken publicly about genocide in Darfur since Jan; recounts horrific tale of one woman there,
who is among 2.2 million homeless people from Darfur
Each article was published on separate dates, which explains the difference in figures. But this is one example that I am attempting to bring to our
attention. Remember, one example
. With this, do you honestly believe that alcoholics and individuals who were evicted outweigh?
Nowhere in the question does it say American, Canadian, or any other specific nationality. It clearly states:
"Are Homeless Individuals A Victim of Their Own Wrongdoing?"
I've shown the details, I've stated the facts, and I've offered first hand experience.
I have the utmost respect for my worthy opponent, and I am looking forward to his closing statement. This has been quite the battle between mutual
The dance is coming to an end my friend, the floor is yours.