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reply posted on 13-1-2007 @ 03:54 PM by Shadowhawk
In December 1984, television producer Jaime Shandera allegedly received an anonymous package containg an undeveloped roll of 35mm film. Pictures on the film showed two documents, one dated 24 September 1947 and another dated 18 November 1952. They were purportedly briefing documents regarding recovery of a crashed flying saucer near Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947. The documents were stamed SECRET/MAJIC/EYES ONLY and had references ot a group called MJ-12.

Shandera, along with William Moore and Stanton Friedman, made the documents public in May 1987 because British UFOlogist Timothy Good had announced that he, too, had copies and was about to publish them. To some researchers these documents appeared to be the proverbial "smoking gun", but to others they were highly suspect. It is perhaps most unfortunate that there were no original documnets, only photos purported to be of such documents. The originals were not available for examination.

One document, known as the "Cutler memo" was apparently classified TOP SECRET but lacked a TS register number. It was stamped "Top Secret - Restricted Information," a classification not used by the National Security Coucil (NSC) until the Nixon administration, decades after if was supposedly written. The paper appeared to lack a government watermark. The memo referred to a NSC meeting on 16 July 1954, but NSC records show no meeting on that date, nor did president Eisenhower's appointment books indicate any special meetings on that date.

The MJ-12 documents contained numerous other inconsistencies, factual errors and stylistic problems, as well as anachronistic terminology. These tended to indicate the documents might be a hoax. The final blow apparently came in 1990 when Phil Klass found the "Truman memo" of 1947 was a forgery. It bore a signature photocopied from a genuine document. A document examiner also stated the body of the memo was typed on a Smith-Corona typerwriter model that was not produced until 1963.

Eventually, even Stanton Friedman condemned many of the supposed MJ-12 documents as fraudulent. He found that some documents were "emulations of real documents" that were available to the public and that some things had been retyped, combined with other material, and then photocopied. He also noted numerous factual errors.

In 1994, another alleged MJ-12 document surfaced in the form of an undeveloped roll of 35mm film. The "Special Operations Manual (SOM1-01)" was a how-to instruction book for recovering crashed UFOs. It was dated 1954. Again, what a tragedy there was no original document to examine. That leaves us with content and style.

Some analysts found as many as 50 inconsistencies and errors. Again there were problems with classification markings. There was a War Department seal on the cover where a Department of Defense seal should have been for the alleged date of publication. Most egregiously, there were references to Area 51 (which did not exist in 1954;the base was built in 1955 and named Area 51 no earlier than 1958) and S-4 (a fictional creation of Bob Lazar, circa 1990s).

This sort of hoax does a great disservice to UFOlogy.


reply posted on 18-1-2007 @ 05:05 PM by Togetic
From www.v-j-enterprises.com...:


The Majestic 12 documents problem is complex and extensive. On balance it appears that the EBD, TFM and CTM are almost certainly genuine, the SOM 1.01 memo is very likely genuine (see Dr. Robert Woods paper (Ref. 18)) and the Tim Cooper Documents are emulations and fictional.


While Friedman, like others, have research open to criticism, I haven't found anything to substantiate the claim that he doesn't believe that some of the documents are genuine. If someone does have something, I would love to hear it.


reply posted on 18-1-2007 @ 06:47 PM by timb3r
www.wikiupload.com...

God knows what this is.

But it has the word "Majic" in it and appears to be a rough flightplan of sorts, morse code included ! Probably nothing but hey

I found whilst searching google for PDF's - using ATS member Infinite's post.

(Original post found here
www.abovetopsecret.com...)



[edit on 18-1-2007 by timb3r]


reply posted on 20-1-2007 @ 03:06 AM by Palasheea
Having just read over Stanton Friedman's essay on his website about the MAJIC documents, it's seems very, very clear to me that he does in fact believe that some of those documents are authentic.

Read his conclusions below. At any rate, it makes sense that he does believe in the authenticity of some of those documents as I can't see how anyone like him would have invested so much time and money in researching those docs if he thought they were all fake.

www.v-j-enterprises.com...

OVERALL SUMMARY

The Majestic 12 documents problem is complex and extensive. On balance it appears that the EBD, TFM and CTM are almost certainly genuine, the SOM 1.01 memo is very likely genuine (see Dr. Robert Woods paper (Ref. 18)) and the Tim Cooper Documents are emulations and fictional. It is perhaps not surprising that a documentary movie "Do you Believe in Majic?" is being prepared by Paul Kimball of Redstar films who had dug into a great deal of UFO material in preparation for the documentary "Stanton T. Friedman IS Real!" (Ref. 19) first broadcast on the Canadian Space TV channel in June 2002. Critics have been interviewed. One strange criticsm was made by Karl Pflock when he claimed twice that because Menzel was famous for doodling small cartoon Martians that the statement in the EBD that Menzel was saying the aliens were from Mars was an inside joke. I am afraid the joke is on Karl. The EBD (p. 4) says exactly the opposite:

... considerable speculation has centered around what their point of origin might be and how they get here. Mars was and remains a possibility, although some scientists, most notably Dr. Menzel, consider it more likely that we are dealing with beings from another solar system entirely.

Stan Friedman



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