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I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

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posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 05:42 AM
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MrPenny,

Thanks for making your recent posts civil. But Instead of pointing your finger at the people on this thread (questioning either credibility and/or gullibility), why don't you enter into the discussion by asking genuine, sincere questions and sharing your views, rather than unproductive comments? You say that everyone takes what Sleeper says at face value, but if you look closely you will see that is not necessarily the case.

Much of what Sleeper says is not new, as you pointed out. But who cares? There are no "new ideas". Everything that has ever been thought of is already out there and accessible to anyone, whether they read it or just figure it out. If Sleeper can put information out there in a packet that makes people think, question their reality and challenge them, then why not? None of us have all the answers, no matter how much we've read of the great erudies, philosophers, metaphysicists, poets and the like. What I like about this thread is the synergy of the group and the perspective that emerges from it. That is one thing I never got from all those other lofty works to date, including Casteneda, Monroe, Plato, Shakespeare, Milton (the poet) and so many, many others of every discipline of thought.

Sleeper has his own method and all the questions do get answered, but often in a circuitous way. It is not obvious at first, but there is a method to the madness if you open your mind enough to see it. And if you do open your mind to it, that doesn't mean you are selling out on what you already know or believe. It will just give you food for thought. Nothing more, nothing less.

I hope I am not overstepping my bounds or opening a can of worms here, but I'd like to challenge you to join this discussion or dialogue if you can do it with an open, sincere mind - just to see where it could lead - just for the fun of it. Approach it as a "what if" situation, just to see what questions arise in your own mind. Who knows - you may be surpised! ;-)

Cheers,
Chutso




posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by chutso_ha
But Instead of pointing your finger at the people on this thread (questioning either credibility and/or gullibility), why don't you enter into the discussion by asking genuine, sincere questions and sharing your views, rather than unproductive comments?


Ya'll have a tendency to take it way too personal. And, many of the posters here have elevated their egos to a status that "others" simply "don't get". And I'm considered condescending. Heh. Then...some of the posters tend to simply get nasty and childish. I have shared my views, I have asked genuine, sincere questions.....

It's less the content here, as it is the attitude. Your post I'm referencing is a rarity.....you actually attempt a dialogue....although you're still making a judgment call about me and my "open-minded" status. Read what I've recently posted.....I'm pleading for truly open minds.

I posted here recently only because I felt sleeper wouldn't be able to stomach the thought of me contributing my opinions here. And look who shows up!! He asked me a bizarre question ( "probing", he called it )....got an answer....then simply won't continue the discourse. Pointless.



[edit on 17-1-2008 by MrPenny]



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 07:53 AM
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Sleeper,
Glad to see you're back on here and posting again. Many of us would have been very disappointed if you didn't come back to give us more push-up workouts to do!!


Anyway, I was thinking of a quick question to get back into this and thought about a previous post that you wouldn't elaborate on, at least I don't think you did anyway....and that was about the REAL reason we went into Bagdhad in 2003. Obviously we can eliminate the propaganda excuses fed to us by the administration and then the subsequent Oil excuse, 9/11, al-kada, al-kada in Iraq tied to 9/11, Bin Laden's second cousin twice removed was vacationing there, etc, etc.....The reason I ask about this is because I have heard, specifically from Dan Burisch's testimony on ProjectCamelot that we went in there for Stargates or Stargate technology which were called, according to Dan, the "weapons of mass destruction" mentioned in the media. If you haven't seen Dan's interview I think you should check it out, it's great stuff.
So, can you expand on this issue at all as to why we went in there?? Any input is greatly appreciated.


Purduegrad05



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by Bravehearted
sleeper does it make you sad that you are so aware of your surroundings so to speak?? would you rather be ignorant like the rest of us?


They say ignorance is bliss, and perhaps that’s why many of us remain there.

Knowledge is power they also say but power is only a short term ego trip and an illusion, and so too is knowledge.

Some people equate good memory skills for knowledge but a cheap 3-dollar calculator or memory chip can do a whole lot more.

Information is cheap and can be found anywhere and so is awareness and both take effort and desire---and that’s what distinguishes us from each other



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by chutso_ha
Sleeper, glad you came back. Or should I thank John for his nimble hostage caper? (It's a dirty job but somebody had to do it).

Just to stay on topic, I'll ask a question: about 4 pages back or so some person posted you a question about the legitimacy of conspiracies (listing them all) and you basically said they are all bollocks. (I don't think the mods cared for that.) You even negated MK-ultra which is a well-known and well-documented government project that is out in the open. How do you explain this discrepency?


Hi chutso

They are bollocks at the soul level, no souls can be compromised by conspiracies. Physicality is another matter, and certainly projects like Mkultra and experiments done by Hitler and many others are true.


Are you saying that conspiracies are not real or just that the information about them is incorrect or incomplete?


The information is way off, and that’s because many of these things involved hybrids and other type entities---that cannot be divulged btw.


Or perhaps you are saying that reality is what you make it; thoughts create reality?


No human has a grasp on reality, such is not permitted while here on earth


Mass psychosis? Holographic inserts or hijacked memories?


Until I get my first cup of coffee in the morning that’s what I feel like---



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by GreenRobot
Hey Sleeper, glad things are resolved enough to bring you back. You were missed. I also wanted to add that you've given me a huge amount of entertainment and eye opening perspective shift over the last year. I'm greatly appreciative of your efforts on this board.

BTW, most do not worship Sleeper. He's more like an on-line penpal/friend who dishes the meat on the way things are. I believe we all question his sanity from time to time, but always appreciate the message.

Back on topic: Did our govt. ever have "looking glass" technology in which to see the future or possible futures? Is so, is it still in use?


Hi bot

Ah, the old crystal ball routine---if they did why are we always in the messes we are in?


Are their really time traveling aliens called P45 and P52 types? P45 meaning beings that have come back from 45,000 years in the future and P52 meaning back from 52,000 years? This is in reference to some info from a Project Camelot video of Dan Burisch. Dan has some tales to tell. He describes a lot of details of the P9 conference where we negotiated with a few different alien races. You've mentioned no negotiation or agreements have ever been forged by our govt. with ET since ET can do what they want and don't have to sign any agreements. They're in charge. What's puzzling is how vivid and believable Dan comes off telling his stories. I truly think he believes what he's saying, but it doesn't jive with your info. Do you think he's misguided? I found it very entertaining. But when he said he shoved the ET through the stargate, I didn't really believe that.
Dan Burisch - Project Camelot Interview



While ETs can manipulate time somewhat the things mentioned above are certainly not happening. Granted anyone coming into contact with ETs and being taken to other worlds much more advanced than earth may believe that they visited future earth.


Many of the Project Camelot videos are fairly convincing, but don't agree with your insider knowledge. Why the different messages floating around about what's really going on? Are there people being implanted with disinformation and the person programmed can't tell the different between their implanted knowledge or the real deal going on...


There are differing agendas in the human scheme of things as well as with extraterrestrials who have their own conflicting programs.

Why do we have so many presidential candidates all with their own unique if not often flawed ideas on how to run this country?

We have to make choices about our leaders, about our friends about our associates, about our religious beliefs---and so too on life in general
including extraterrestrials.

Lots of confusion going on but that is what this life is about---there is only one reason for being here on earth---and our misguided beliefs and delusions carry no consequences if we abide by it---integrity---everything else is simply entertainment



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by muse801
Sleeper,
Is our present earth existances/dimensions dictated primarily by our galaxy set of rules or is it a straight line directive from the bigger ups in this particular universe or universes?


Hi muse

Everything comes from a much bigger place than galaxies and dimensions, which all fit nicely on a rolodex


Are the same bottom line "get along" dictates the same for ALL universes/dimensions?


Absolutely not, but to get glimpses of some of that other mind benders in the universes we have to get through certain hurdles like “get along” first.


On Earth, right now, are we suppose to overcome and balance out the good and bad by creating good, or is this just a huge game of opposite attraction to see what happens?


We are here to experience many levels of emotions and our deepest flaws and try to root them out or at least acknowledge them


Okay, so we choose to keep coming back or around to earth, sometimes "kicking and screaming", vacation or not, It's cold in Chicago....is there some reason for us to be here now?


No reason to be in Chicago I prefer warmer places however I’m looking out the window now and there is 3 inches of snow and 19 chilly degrees---


Why are we on planet earth? It’s the only place that would take us---



Can you lay any credence on those who say we are here to witness a very special anamoly about to occur?


Anomalies happen every day, most just don’t care to notice. Some are waiting for the big cahuna, a rapture, a second coming, the age of Aquarius via ETs or some other earthly phenomena---and there certainly is much going on in the skies and heavens above, but heck they had their party boats up there for decades---although they have been getting more rowdy in the last few years

Awareness is increasing and so is curiosity of what is it that is out there---well it’s the big carrot being dangled


Whistle blowers are leaking or lieing. It is obvious that our tech is going through the roof. Just got use to the basic CD tech and that seems to be a gonner in the next 3 years. You mentioned the tech that will keep us going for a long time, please elaborate.


Nanotech will change everything, from our clothing never needing washing to our vehicles becoming crash proof. It will also make space exploration our new toy


You also elude that it is important to watch our politicians (unprecedented USA race right now),,,,Why?


This election will be a rude awakening for America, which will highlight our differences concerning gender, race and religion more so than ever before---ego will rule the day and all of us may have to pay.



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 12:35 PM
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Hey Sleeper,
It would appear a divorce is in my near future. Sorry and sweat talk are having little to no effect. It’s a big ugly word that I know in reality doesn’t mean a whole lot but when you mix lawyers, kids, wives, houses, and child support up you got on big nasty bowl of emotional soup.

Let’s just say I have a lot of very difficult decisions to make. The bottom line is each item presented to me I can choose self-preservation or complete selflessness. Each one of these decisions will affect me and those involved for the rest of our time here.

So here I am with the lawyer on one shoulder telling me to look out for myself and don’t set your self up to live in a cardboard box and eat bugs for the rest of your life. Then I have the other shoulder saying it’s a test; do what is best for others and who cares if you end up in a cardboard box.

The self-preservation voices are real flesh and blood people I can look in the eye and they are all saying the same thing. The other voice I don’t not know and have never met and I don’t even know if they are real. (I don’t really hear voices just a figure of speech)

I really don’t know what I will do. And it seems impossible to just take a passive attitude and let the cards fall where they may. Sure there is a middle ground on each issue as well but if you have a cup of water in one hand and salt in the other and mix them you end up with salty water regardless of how much salt you use.



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by sleeper




You all can blame John Lear for me coming back, he is holding Milton hostage and threatening to model this summer’s bikini lineup in front of him---it could get ugly. No offence John you are a great guy and all but the bikini clash with your manly physique big time and Milton could go into some kind of alien shock, and believe me we don’t want that.



Thanks sleeper, but you know very well why you came back. And for those of you who don't know why sleeper came back the truth is that sleepers thread has almost 308,000 views compared to John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS which about 314,000.

Both sleeper and milton have been salivating for the day they go flying past my moon pictures views. Sleeper wanted to be sure he was here to take all the credit.

But just let me remind you that we have a more refined and educated contributer over at John Lears Moon Pictures were we talk about real stuff like a breathable atmpsohere on the moon while sleeper just talks about aliens from outer space here on his thread.

So the point is numbers don't mean anything. Help yourself sleeper, see if I care if your view count goes sailing past John Lears Moon Pictures.

You probably think you need a space helmet to breathe on the moon.



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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I am not taking your criticism personally, but perhaps some of the others do. And you are wrong if you think that I placed a judgement on you. Not in the least. I am merely pointing out that you have at certain times called some of posters gullible and have questioned Sleeper's credibility, and maybe that rubbed the others the wrong way... and it's just that snowball rolling down a hill effect - accumulating mass as it goes.

I don't think it is too late to turn things around if you are really interested. Just post a question or post your views. If you are sincere, Sleeper will know it.

Have a good day,

Chutso



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 04:11 PM
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Hello Sleeper,

Four months ago I read your blog. From then until now I have been reading through this specific forum thread of yours. (In my spare time) Just yesterday I signed up with this site for the sole purpose of replying to this thread.

Your blog hit me with an overwhelming sense of nostalgia. To the point where i felt like I was going to cry. I don't know why this is so. I've been reluctant to get involved in issues like this, but now i'm at the point where i'm willing to explore further.

I am ready for more. I look forward to your next blog entry.



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 04:38 PM
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Sleeper, I was wondering what you and Miltons take on chupacabras are.

Are they extraterrestrials?

Why do they do strange things to cattle?



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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Welcome Back Sleeper!

Hey...Looks like Milton & Co. made a few fly-by's down here in Texas. Really got em stirred up over in Stephenville and surrounding areas.

Ask Milton & Co. to make a lonnnggg slowww fly-by over the westbound South Sam Houston Expressway about 8AM tomorrow. I wanna take a picture for my wall.

Raf



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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Sleeper, you are awesome, and I am glad to be able to ask you questions. Tell Milton I said hello.

I was wondering what is your take on global warming? I have heard it is a hoax or that we can be really in trouble, what do you think?

Also, I heard about NASA sending a probe (forgot its name) to explore the Keiper Belt beyond Pluto? What will the ETs do about it and what is the real purpose


Are black holes teleports to other dimensions?

The bible mentions the Nephilim, and supposedly Goliath was one. Will the Nephilim come back according to the 2012 prophecy (which i do not beleive is true but I would want your view on it)

Sorry if any of these questions are repeats, and a response would be greatly appreciated.



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Robertgoodfella
Thank you john and SkepticOverlord---
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Hello Sleeper,
Glad to see you post, was john sad that he was the only one wearing a tin foil hat--


Hi fella

John actually looks good in a tinfoil hat


Can you say when humanity will come to a spiritual awakness, a long time from now?


As a group never because souls are coming in every day to begin serving their sentences

Souls awaken all the time believe it or not


When humans reach outside of earth and inhabit planets in this solar system will we be made up of hybrids of sorts or tuned-up humans--


A little bit of both, and then some other stuff too---space is a funny place and those who spend long periods in it will conform to it with some physiological and psychological tweaks here and there



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by bubbapug1985
Hello sleeper,

First is, not to sound ignorant, tell Milton I said hi, and how do you know hes not lying about 2012 (because something might happen according to all the gurus,but id rather believe Milton)?


Hi 1985

I would like to put Milton on a lie detector thingy but he said he would remove my nose and rearrange other parts of my anatomy, so I’m just going to believe the dude.



And from your story, how fast can his spaceship travel, faster than light, if so, since its not a breach of national security, what is it?


Funny thing about time and distance, they are both illusions and things are not as far as they "sometimes" seem to us earthlings. Anyway, his ship moves through time and space as if it didn’t exist---how he does it he will not tell me.


And besides love, kindess, and integrity, what else can one strive to get higher up?


Being happy as often as possible helps---not letting the problems of the world weigh you down. People who are always bummed out and fearful are not assets to themselves and others around them.


Does Milton like hard liquor or beer?



Milton doesn’t drink booze of any kind



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Cyber_Wasp
Hey Sleeper !!!!!!

I realise that you will not be able to post in this forum forever, but can you make us all one promise?

When you do decide to hang up the keyboard can you go out by typing a post containing all of the secret black ops stuff that you do not normally talk about?

That will generate another 300 pages of discussion long after you have stopped posting.


Hi Wasp

There is not enough room on ATS for even a fraction of that material, plus, the envelope is allowed a certain amount of pushing against, and then that time thing, its certainly an illusion when you need more of it and it’s nowhere to be found---



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Purduegrad05
Sleeper,
Glad to see you're back on here and posting again. Many of us would have been very disappointed if you didn't come back to give us more push-up workouts to do!!


Anyway, I was thinking of a quick question to get back into this and thought about a previous post that you wouldn't elaborate on, at least I don't think you did anyway....and that was about the REAL reason we went into Bagdhad in 2003. Obviously we can eliminate the propaganda excuses fed to us by the administration and then the subsequent Oil excuse, 9/11, al-kada, al-kada in Iraq tied to 9/11, Bin Laden's second cousin twice removed was vacationing there, etc, etc.....The reason I ask about this is because I have heard, specifically from Dan Burisch's testimony on ProjectCamelot that we went in there for Stargates or Stargate technology which were called, according to Dan, the "weapons of mass destruction" mentioned in the media. If you haven't seen Dan's interview I think you should check it out, it's great stuff.
So, can you expand on this issue at all as to why we went in there?? Any input is greatly appreciated.


Purduegrad05


I will put it this way if Iraq had star gates they would be the super power not America.

Nevertheless, the reason we are there has to do with otherworldly things and that’s all I can say



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by tommyknockers
Hey Sleeper,
It would appear a divorce is in my near future. Sorry and sweat talk are having little to no effect. It’s a big ugly word that I know in reality doesn’t mean a whole lot but when you mix lawyers, kids, wives, houses, and child support up you got on big nasty bowl of emotional soup.

Let’s just say I have a lot of very difficult decisions to make. The bottom line is each item presented to me I can choose self-preservation or complete selflessness. Each one of these decisions will affect me and those involved for the rest of our time here.

So here I am with the lawyer on one shoulder telling me to look out for myself and don’t set your self up to live in a cardboard box and eat bugs for the rest of your life. Then I have the other shoulder saying it’s a test; do what is best for others and who cares if you end up in a cardboard box.

The self-preservation voices are real flesh and blood people I can look in the eye and they are all saying the same thing. The other voice I don’t not know and have never met and I don’t even know if they are real. (I don’t really hear voices just a figure of speech)

I really don’t know what I will do. And it seems impossible to just take a passive attitude and let the cards fall where they may. Sure there is a middle ground on each issue as well but if you have a cup of water in one hand and salt in the other and mix them you end up with salty water regardless of how much salt you use.


Once lawyers are involved, things get sticky and icky because they get their money via controversy, the more the better.

Doing the right thing does not mean the stupid thing. Be fair and reasonable because bankrupting you is not going to make things better for them either. The worst thing that happens in divorces is not the money distribution but the rabid hate that comes after and the children end up paying the full price.

There is no simple way out of this because obviously hate and mistrust has gotten into the mix and some lawyers like to fan those flames.

Only you know how much of the blame is yours and how much is hers, and you have to go on that.

Have you seen the movie "LiarLiar" with Jim Carrey?



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks sleeper, but you know very well why you came back. And for those of you who don't know why sleeper came back the truth is that sleepers thread has almost 308,000 views compared to John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS which about 314,000.

Both sleeper and milton have been salivating for the day they go flying past my moon pictures views. Sleeper wanted to be sure he was here to take all the credit.


Hi John

So true, Milton can’t wait to cash those points in for some plastic trinkets---I don’t have the nerve to tell him those are not the same kind of points they give out at the penny arcade.

Oh btw, I got the box with the tinfoil hat today, did you mean to put those secret NASA pictures in the box? WOW, thanks!


[edit on 17-1-2008 by sleeper]



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