I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Hoo-boy.

Let me state this immediately: I'm not knocking sleeper personally, I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, I'm not asking him to stop posting or for anyone to silence him or for anyone to stop asking questions. I'm all for a free exchange of ideas. I also don't automatically ignore conspiracy theories or unusual ideas, etc. I believe some myself.

But when people have criticized sleeper with valid counterpoints, I think they've been brushed off too quickly. I don't understand why it's almost blasphemy to bring up valid criticisms, or why some responses have been pretty reactionary - although I know one time that was not. That's when I tore sleeper's android info. to shreds a while back. What I wrote was totally ignored and I know why - because they can't be addressed truthfully without acknowledging all the logical faults. If anyone wants to criticize what I wrote, please be my guest:

Android stuff

Speculation, mystery, deviations from what we perceive as reality, etc. - I enjoy thinking about these things very much. But when it's piled on way too thick (and ESPECIALLY when you find many errors in logic and fact), you've got fiction, not truth.

I won't go through a litany of question marks, the list is too huge. Again, I'll just throw out a single example. It comes from way back there on Page 1.

Sleeper said that nanotechnology (which really should read "nano-creatures" or something) is now a new life form on earth, and that we have nanotechnology because of ETs. This is not true on both counts and it's easy to prove why.

1.) The first big bio-nanotech breakthrough was the result of a project that began in 2003. In 2006, scientists announced their success: a nano-bridge between the living and the tech world (called a nanoactuator.) Synthetic life forms are being worked on but have not been created yet. Scientists said it could take 20-30 years before that nano-bridge could successfully link muscle with technology. Google "Mol Switch Project". You will have no trouble finding info.

2.) OK, now toss out all of the above. Let's say that a secret cadre actually had examples of nanotech life, or knew how to create it, long before 2003. How come conspiracy theorists also knew this, yet no one else on the planet did? If it was that apparent to certain outsiders, it should be just as apparent by everyone else, yes?

The only way to answer "No" to my Reason 2 is to say that the scientists were part of the secret cadre all along, and that they wasted 3 years just so they could appear to be doing this legitimately. But why was the big huge 2006 announcement just about a bridge and not a complete nano-living thing? Again, according to the public side of science, nanotech life doesn't exist yet.

Why did scientists wait until 2006 to announce the big nano-bridge breakthrough? Why wasn't this nano-bridge breakthrough announced in, say, 1986? When did ETs give us nanotechnology?

The more you explain all this with a "keeping secrets" answer, the more it does not make any sense when you put it beside the very public history of how we got to nanotechnology today. That history follows a very logical, linear, scientific progression.

The only way around the logical, linear, scientific progression is to say that the entire scientific community had conspired to create that logical, linear, scientific progression in the first place.

When you get to this point, it makes everything ever written about the JFK killing look like it was authored by Dr. Seuss.

You have to do better than this, sleeper.

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Hello Cold Metallic Voice,
Sleeper Said:
“Manmade humanoid robots have already started tricking into society, in the next few decades they will take over most of our mundane work”

Google Said:
define: Android
“An artificial being designed to resemble a human being in as many ways as possible, and whose physiology and life functions replicate and mimic those of human beings as closely as possible”

To me there is a very large gab between “Manmade humanoid robots” And Androids taking over the world. One of us has misunderstood what Sleeper means by robots

reply to post by muse801

Originally posted by muse801
Milton must be a very powerful entity. He hides out and vigilently watches whatever is happening right now/past/future, up/down/over there on our earth dimensions as well as easily handling the big picture.

Hi muse, and thanks for your comments

As far as Milton being powerful you got that right, that little twit beats me at arm wrestling every time, and I’m no weakling. He claims it’s his mind over my matter, he certainly knows how to hurt a guy---

Sleeper...
Welcome back... hope you had a nice whatever The thread is alive and well but missed your humor and deep thinking.

Originally posted by plumranch
Hi Sleeper,
On a lighter side, I heard some presidential candidates this week who said they know who merits and who doesn't (ie who needs to pay more taxes and who doesn't). Do you think they have been to Saturn?

Hi ranch

They haven’t been to Saturn, but they know the surest way to our wallets is by telling us they will tax the other guy more---works every time

Originally posted by qrios
Hi Sleeper
I enjoy your postings a lot... keep it up...

Can you tell me, seeing that we do not have real photo's and stuff to go on...
Which of the major films would you say are more or less, or partially correct of their depiction of aliens and the general scene?
Stuff like The Matrix, Space Odyssey, E.T. , Strange encounters etc....
Greets

Hi qrios

2001 A Space Odyssey, has some truth, however HAL will not dream in the sequel “2010 The Year we Make Contact”

Originally posted by johnlear
Well yes, thats what sleeper and Milton would wish. They have always been extremely jealous of my thread although John Lear's Moon Pictures number of paqes (220 pages)) is about 9 short of "I'm coming clean..." (229 pages) that my views are 252, 983 compared to S&M (no pun intended) who have 187,118.

Hi john

You have always been able to see right through me John---but I’m working on my “envy” thing. Hey if I can dish it

I would say “the buck stops here” but the fact is if a buck stops anywhere near me I will spend it. ---Milton is no cheap freeloader you know.

reply to post by Anonymous Avatar

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
Strange experience given what Sleeper has been saying about dreams. Amazing what I notice when looking for it.

The lights go on in the mind when the lights go off in the room---

Thanks for the feedback Avatar!

Originally posted by Vortices
I do find it ironic that in the signature of the above gentleman is a capital "A" pointing to what appears to be someone bending over.

Hi Vortices

Well you know what Sigmund Freud would say about that---

Originally posted by johnlear

I am not supposed to say anything but Milton showed up the other day to pick out some dresses my wife was giving away to the Salvation Army

John you two timer, Salvation Army my arse,

Sleeper found out about it and somehow got to Las Vegas and confronted Milton who was out in the guest house trying on dresses.

That van parked outside your place is not filled with adoring fans you know

There was a big row and all I heard were a lot of nasty words and threats. I don’t think either of them was thinking about living without envy, hate and greed. Sounded to me like they were going to bop one another.

Don’t make it out to be bigger than it was John, we both have similar tastes in fashions, or lack there of---

I went to the market for some nice wine and came back and everything was back to normal. Milton had on a nice floral and sleeper had on that hot pink mini-dress that my wife had on when I met her.

Nice wine John? Muscatel----keeping the good stuff for Bob I guess---Oh well.

If it weren’t for my beer gut the pink mini would look just fine

We all had a glass of wine which wasn’t like the kind from you-know-where but it was better than nothing.

Water would have been better John, perhaps you should tell your guests to BYOB---and that’s from Milton

This was last night and the last I saw of sleeper and Milton was both of them shooting straight up through the ceiling. I turned to my wife and said, “Did you see that?”

That’s the cheep wine talking dude---

We didn’t shoot through the ceiling that’s silly, we beamed up---

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Hi Sleeper,

Welcome back to you and Milton. Hope you had a nice break.

I made the mistake of sipping some coffee while I was reading that reply from John. I started laughing so hard I choked on it and some of it ended up coming out of my nose. Ouch, that hurt!

Once again I was trying to lighten the mood in here, and it worked for me, anyway.

I had to bury a cat a couple of days ago and I was wondering about when you said that sometimes the souls of people can be stored in animals. Is there anyway to tell if one of your pets is hosting a soul? Also does the human soul leave the animal body before death or at that time?

Glad to see you back, even if you did leave us for a while to fight over dresses with Milton!

Thanks!

Sleeper can you explain to us what these shadow beings/entities are that people are stating to see now days? Why do they seem to be just watching and don't interact when you spot them?

Hello Sleeper and sincerely glad to see you back. I have been watching on this thread for some time. I finally got the nerve up to ask some questions when you took a couple of days off. I actually thought you may have completed your tasks here and Milton may have taken you back....whew!

Now that you are more 'aware' of what's behind the curtain, has Milton taken you on any more tours? I envy you....gah, no wait I dont envy, I hate envy....er ..

I am curious about the dream tests that you mentioned most humans have received them.

Also, could you explain a little more about our 'tool boxes' that all humans have access to?

I as well as probably most of the readers on this thread appreciate that you are posting even though your having to endure public skewerings.
-Thank you

Originally posted by starwatcher1
Sleeper...
Welcome back... hope you had a nice whatever

The thread is alive and well but missed your humor and deep thinking.

Hi watcher

The fall changing of the colors is what did it, I had to get out into it, they say you only live once---

Originally posted by Enthralled Fan

Hi Sleeper,
Welcome back to you and Milton. Hope you had a nice break.
I made the mistake of sipping some coffee while I was reading that reply from John. I started laughing so hard I choked on it and some of it ended up coming out of my nose. Ouch, that hurt!
Once again I was trying to lighten the mood in here, and it worked for me, anyway.

Hi Enthralled

The skeptics would argue that you can’t lighten the mood and have coffee shoot out the nose all in one sitting.

I had to bury a cat a couple of days ago and I was wondering about when you said that sometimes the souls of people can be stored in animals. Is there anyway to tell if one of your pets is hosting a soul?

Some people can tell, but they may not attribute it to family, even though they treat the pet as if it were.

Also does the human soul leave the animal body before death or at that time?

If the soul is there on its own accord it can come and go as it wishes, and they often do---only showing up at critical stages.

Glad to see you back, even if you did leave us for a while to fight over dresses with Milton!

Thank god it was only dresses, had shoes been involved it would’ve gotten ugly---


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Originally posted by pak88
Sleeper can you explain to us what these shadow beings/entities are that people are stating to see now days? Why do they seem to be just watching and don't interact when you spot them?

Hi pak

Some people open up doors to the supernatural world sometimes unintentionally and these beings remain on standby, perhaps waiting for an additional invite.

Some are poltergeist lost themselves but may feel some attachment to the person they are shadowing.

There are ETs that will hide in dark corners but if so they have no legitimate reason for being there---unless they smell evil and then they are stalking---wating for the big slip up.

For those who have this problem and are not evil, they have nothing to worry about because all of us are being watched by the good entities---even if it don’t seem that way.

Originally posted by Vortices
Hello Sleeper and sincerely glad to see you back. I have been watching on this thread for some time. I finally got the nerve up to ask some questions when you took a couple of days off. I actually thought you may have completed your tasks here and Milton may have taken you back....whew!

Hi Vortices

I asked Milton for time off and he said he would think about it, so while he thought about it I took some time off---he hates it when I outmaneuver him---

Now that you are more 'aware' of what's behind the curtain, has Milton taken you on any more tours? I envy you....gah, no wait I dont envy, I hate envy....er ..

Close call on that envy thing there, but excellent on the quick turnaround---

I get more tours but I don’t remember all the details other than they are more mind blowing fantastic each time---and my little human brain can’t handle it all.

I am curious about the dream tests that you mentioned most humans have received them.

In reality there is no sleep for us wicked humans---

Having said that I will say it again, there is no sleep for us humans---only another state of consciousness. When we enter that sleep state we are taken places---what we refer to as the dream world because we don’t know any better.

The dream world is a real world, one that don’t make much sense to us because it crosses into other dimensions----places were we learn things, where we visit with other entities in our past, and even those who will be in our future.

Also, could you explain a little more about our 'tool boxes' that all humans have access to?

We have every tool in the universe at our disposal between our ears---

With these “real” tools we can do and achieve anything our little hearts desire. We can build and we can tear down, we can be virtuous or hateful to our fellow companions on this rock.

Unfortunately many leave this life without ever opening their tool box ----they were never bad but never good either---they did just enough to get by each day and ended up wasting a whole stinking life---

We are not here to walk on water and be the greatest thing since sliced bread---but the very least we can do is try to enjoy this life and show some appreciation for it---yet for some even that is asking too much

Hi Sleeper,

Long time reader, first time post. I always seem to be catching up to the threads point where you have already left.

I have a one pertinent question, then one personal.

On Topic: If we do not remember what we we did previously that put us here, how do we work towards a better end this time around?

Personal: I was speaking with my mom several months ago. We were, laughingly, talking about my childhood (I'm in my 50's now) and something came up and she said...."Well, it was probably Weejee's fault"...my response was..."huh"?

To which she replied..."You really don't remember Weejee"?

Apparently Weejee was, to me and my folks, my invisible friend. Mom said I would talk with Weejee at night, play with him etc..from the age of around 3 to about 6? Enough so that they were worried about me. But back then, people didn't send their kids to shrinks. I have no memory of Weejee...at all...none. Even though I remember, clearly, other aspects of early childhood.

Should I remember Weejee?

Raf


[edit on 13-10-2007 by Raf_50]

Originally posted by Raf_50
Hi Sleeper,
Long time reader, first time post. I always seem to be catching up to the threads point where you have already left.
I have a one pertinent question, then one personal.
On Topic: If we do not remember what we we did previously that put us here, how do we work towards a better end this time around?

Hi Raf

There are worlds where souls are aware of their past problems; for the most part this world is not one of them. Those who are here are either doing time period or they have a clean slate and what they do with this slate is all that counts---for the most part----

those doing hard time are not aware enough to ask themselves questions concerning the big picture---all they see is bleakness and whatever is in front of them

Personal: I was speaking with my mom several months ago. We were, laughingly, talking about my childhood (I'm in my 50's now) and something came up and she said...."Well, it was probably Weejee's fault"...my response was..."huh"?

To which she replied..."You really don't remember Weejee"?

Apparently Weejee was, to me and my folks, my invisible friend. Mom said I would talk with Weejee at night, play with him etc..from the age of around 3 to about 6? Enough so that they were worried about me. But back then, people didn't send their kids to shrinks. I have no memory of Weejee...at all...none. Even though I remember, clearly, other aspects of early childhood.

Should I remember Weejee?

Weejee blanked out of your life so that you could concentrate on this life. Which is a common practice for these entities that escort “some” of us to this planet and then hang out with us for a time

The Weejee of your childhood would be unrecognizable to you now, and remembering them is not important---besides what would people think if you talked about such beings around the office drink fountain---or even to loved ones like your mother----that's why they go stealth on us

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Sleeper,

Thanks for your reply about human souls inhabiting animals that could even be our pets.

You mentioned that there is some sort of family link, so I am wondering if our deceased relatives use the animals bodies to visit us. If we are not aware they are in there, what is the point?

I have a bratty chihuahua that reminds me of my Mom, and it makes me chuckle to think that I have given Mother a flea dip.

I just had the impression from previous posts that some souls were contained in animals as a sort of punishment.

Also, do we have the ability to visit people via animals when we are in a dream state?

Thanks as always.