I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Originally posted by Ram
hey sleeper.
Does this one look okay?

Yeah, except for the dark jersey

Mistake, sorry

[edit on 22/5/07 by spacevisitor]

Nothing to see here. Move along. (Quoted now non-existent post which made my post irrelevant upon deletion. Not that I need any help to be irrelevant).


[edit on 5/22/2007 by yeahright]

Originally posted by sleeper

Yeah, except for the dark jersey

Should it be more tight - ?
Im currently working on painting the body..
It's is 70% done so far.
temporary Picture removed - by Ram.

Does the picture look near the real thing perhaps?

still need alot of detail work..
You know any features of the cloth - like a belt or some shiny areas..
Small stuff ect.? buttons?

I really like to know if it need nails..

Anyone else know about the details ..I need info.


[edit on 22-5-2007 by Ram]

Originally posted by sleeper

A clue of bad hate is when it clouds our mind, makes us feel like crap, and we end up kicking the dog, the spouse or the kids. Hate needs a victim and the first victim is the one infested with it and then all those around that infected person.

Many of us don’t let it get that bad or far but many do, hence all the crime going on in this world, and at a neighborhood near you.

Thanks sleeper, that helps.
So maybe in the example of the girl being stoned, its ok hate what they did to her as long as that emotion does not bear fruit and consume me driving me to want to do something about it. In other words just let it go.
Seems reasonable and not that hard to do when its half a world away, but I must say if a bunch of thugs kicked the life out of my daughter because the color of her shoes were unholy in their eye I would fail that test. At least in my current state of awareness. Faith alone would not allow me to turn away. That hate would consume me and everything around me. It might be different if I knew with out a doubt she felt no pain and was in a better place. In fact I think it would be an unfair test with out first hand knowledge of “the big picture”

Originally posted by sleeper

It’s easy to hate those who have more than us but someone is always going to have more than us, even rich people hate those who are richer than them---lol

Only when it is because their country and their people are being exploited by the "rich" 'governmental' powers. Hate isn't the word you're looking for here, it's called self defense.

Everyday average hard working Americans who live pay check to pay check are hated around the world by those who have less than them---there are Billions of people who live in staggering poverty in third world countries, and many of them hate Americans period! Because even poor Americans have it way better than they do.

They are not hated, they are looked down upon because they are selfish. We live in a world together. One world, one. We divide our selves in to nations, stalk up on material and monetary possessions for national and individual superiority and then try to justify our objective narcissism and lack of compassion through the guise of super naturally influenced, flailing personal philosophies from personal life experience that is then attempted to be passed off as exhalted, and these philosophies provide the content of possible mental deluge and parsimonious truthfullness on behalf of the presenters and authors.

Here in America those that make twenty-thousand a year hate those that make fifty-thousand a year, those that make fifty-thousand hate those that make one-hundred-thousand and on and on---it seems we all have a reason to hate someone

Please speak for your self. It is not the amount of money one makes, it is how that money is spent and how it is made. At the expense of cheap labor in third world countries or the worker making 5 cents an hour?

Most of us who look in the mirror and see a good person often choose to neglect our ugly side, because we can justify our hateful feelings because everyone else hates those dang rich people whoever they are---problem is all of us are richer than someone, and those someone’s hate us

Here you are igniting a class war again. Hate and love are not to do with money, but the way the money is earned and the way the money is spent. True love would not need a 5 million dollar mansion where only 3 of the 16 rooms are used, nor would it need 2 million dollar cars to sit in the garage for looks. True love would not exploit 3rd world countries nor lie to its citizens. True love would do its best to allow equality and fair growth for all, and secrets would be out in the open.

We are not "down" here on earth because we love too much, we are "down" here because we love to hate

Speak for your self, please. The above is personal projection of envious and painfull feelings. You are trying to pass off a world of fear and hate, not all of us feel that way towards each other, and I speak for many when I say that, although you may try to make us believe such.

We are not "down" any where because there is no "above".
Your signature tells us that we are here for the world to change us and not for us to change the world and then you tell us we all love to hate. Yet you imply that hate and envy is a bad thing, why? We're here for the world to change us, so according to your philosophy we should all become envious haters and that's just a jolly place to accept. Sir, why you are allowed to continuously post on ATS spreading false accusations about the entirety of the Human species for hundres of pages among hundreds of pages, is astounding and eye opening to the business infrastructure and admin & moderator intentions alike.

You are clearly left here to promote ignorance, completely repudiating the T&C that I have seen many others be banned for, for the intents and purposes of business. This says a lot about the veracity of this web site and its leaders. This has become non other than a miniature authoritative communist dictatorship where rules are made as we go along and the intellectual are silenced to fit the monetary and user traffic agenda.

The truth of this matter will not go away with a smiley face or a laughy face . The truth of this matter is here to stay whether those in the future will be capable of seeing it or not.

ATS celebrities are bound by no rules and limited to no authority. When their ignorance and successive unconsistencies along with lies are pointed out to the public and for other members to view, those who question are quickly silenced and slapped with a red tag.

The truth is not a game.

The fear tactics and brain washing techniques in this thread alone are over whelming. Not only is this thread and many others by this user based on false accusations (that which is rewarded with a warning) and truly snide remarks, but it is allowed to continue because of business.

I find it quite ironic to have a rule stating to not make false accusations on a web site that promptly displays its self as a conspiratorial ally. We all know that conspiracies are based on false accusations, false because they can not be proven true.

How a moderator can award a warning for "false accusations" about a persons future or past must only mean that they are friendly, thus he receives special attention and/or this moderator made an honest mistake.

I'd advise all of you who see this thread and its non-sense, along with the non-sense that goes on inside of it to never stop questioning and ask your self this. "Could there be a conspiracy going on inside of a conspiracy website?" I'll leave that question up to you.

As far as the abuse of power and protection of one of ATS' very own celebrities for the means of "business and traffic"... Springer you do little to hide it.

The world can be a sick and deceiving place when those left in charge of any thing are only in it for monetary success and not truth full evaluation and equality for all.

Above no rules have been broken, and with this I would like to say... if I am banned and/or warned again, or my content is deleted, moderated and edited by an Administator or Moderator that you all now have your answers about why you are treated the way you are here, why the environment seems so hostile (because the intellects and truth seekers are oppressed, "We can't have you think for your selves that would make our job too hard!") and why dissinformists such as John Lear and sleeper are continued to be allowed to post such utter and non evidential rubbish that repeatedly breaks the ATS T&C.

Rules only apply when and where convenient. There is no freedom of speech here, not even freedom of opinion if it obstructs and reveals illegal parti pris.

[edit on 22-5-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by spacevisitor
I do not quite understand what you mean by saying that the connotations of the word extraterrestrial are incorrect.
In my understanding [but as I said, my English is not that good], are entities that visiting earth from far away places or other dimensions in fact extraterrestrial, or not from this Earth?Maybe can you give me an other hint?

Hi visitor,

In reality we are all extraterrestrial, we did not originate on this planet, and therefore extraterrestrial implying they are from other planets and we are not is a false statement

You do not speak of time travellers, does that mean that you shutting out that possibility.
I ask you that in relation as said among other things by Larry Warren what happened in the Rendlesham Forrest case in England, or in relation to the case of Dr. Dan Burisch.

There is no time as we know it here on earth on the other side, so it’s a difficult concept to relate in mere words. Nevertheless humans can not travel from the future to the past, or the past to the future---completely impossible.

What do you find of the word "examination contact" instead of the word abductions?
I must admit that it is not a suggestion from me.

There are many reasons people are taken and one word doesn’t cover it, but abduction suffices.

Originally posted by Ram
Does the picture look near the real thing perhaps?

Other than some of the facial features I have not seen one as tall as that one. I've given some details in the past but they tend to be modest and don't want me blabbing about how they really look.

Originally posted by sleeper
or the past to the future---completely impossible.

We travel from the past to the future and from the future to the past in every moment that passes, in fact we're doing it right now and any thing that you can imagine is possible, including "mechanical/technological" 'time travel'... simply figure it out.

Minute to minute and moment to moment are the same things as traveling 1,000 years in what seems like an instant, the only difference is the relative experienced duration of the processes.

I'm really just tired of listening to all of this illogical non-sense and think many of us are except for those that have already been mentally exploited. I can pick apart almost every thing said and prove it false edit: to the perception of any one and every one's reality, I'm done wasting my time.

It's a shame that intellectual robbery is allowed to prevail on ATS. What ever happened to "denying ignorance"?

[edit on 22-5-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

I try figure out why you think it's tall..Must be somthing about the legs or light shadow that fool the eyes.

thanks..

(removed picture - So we wont have to worry bout it) Ram


[edit on 22-5-2007 by Ram]

Originally posted by tommyknockers
Thanks sleeper, that helps.
So maybe in the example of the girl being stoned, its ok hate what they did to her as long as that emotion does not bear fruit and consume me driving me to want to do something about it. In other words just let it go.

If anger motivates us to do something like helping someone in that situation then it’s useful---unfortunately most anger is the road rage kind, we get pissed over small things and act impulsively and recklessly

Seems reasonable and not that hard to do when its half a world away, but I must say if a bunch of thugs kicked the life out of my daughter because the color of her shoes were unholy in their eye I would fail that test.
At least in my current state of awareness. Faith alone would not allow me to turn away. That hate would consume me and everything around me. It might be different if I knew with out a doubt she felt no pain and was in a better place. In fact I think it would be an unfair test with out first hand knowledge of “the big picture”

Most of us are not tested that close to home because few would pass, even those who are more aware.

Hey Sleeper!

do you have any info on our moon?
Is it natural?

Thanks!
Orion_

[edit on 22-5-2007 by Orion_grey]

We travel from the past to the future in every moment that passes, in fact we're doing it right now.

I think Sleeper means time travelling forward in time from say 2007 to say 3030.

Not from one minute to the next.

Orion_



[edit on 22-5-2007 by Orion_grey]

I still do not understand why are some people coming here and slamming on sleeper over his posted opinions. This thread is not about whether he is right or wrong, it's about him sharing the information and providing more details that were not in his script. Making personal attacks at him in this thread equals calling him a bad house owner in his own home or a bad parent in front of his children.

There, it was bugging me so I said it and I'm moving to the subject at hand now

Sleeper, could you please ask Milton about the following:

What is the significance of human sacrifices and blood rituals that have been going on for many eons on this planet (and are still being practiced by our overlords...err leaders) in relation to our souls?
Also, what about child molestations that they are engaging in as well (both male and female children)?

Is there a connection with some unseen energies and spilling of blood? What about the blood itself - is there something in blood that connects to the "other side"?

This also ties to symbolism as well, things like soldiers wearing ranks (tagged through symbols) and massive spilling of blood in battles being fought at predetermined/specific geographic locations on the planet, anything about that?

Sorry it turned out to be a whole bunch of things, it's really just one but language is sometimes constraining in explaining things

Thanks!

Originally posted by Orion_grey
Hey Sleeper!

do you have any info on our moon?
Is it natural?

Hey Orion,

As far as being natural it is a rock but it was put into place via artificial means, it remains an ET outpost, and that’s all I can say for now.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
I'm really just tired of listening to all of this illogical non-sense and think many of us are except for those that have already been mentally exploited. I can pick apart almost every thing said and prove it false, I'm done wasting my time.

Perhaps you can pick apart and prove everything to be "false", but only to your view point would it be deemed as "proof". Every single individual has their own experiences, ideas, knowledge etc. that make up their own unique point of view. Thats what makes us all different...make different decisions, seeing/thinking differently. For you to make claims of being able to prove something, true or false, so that the proof appeals to everyone... not possible.

Your last attempt at "picking apart" Sleeper's words on the impossibility of time travel was a joke. People who blatantly dismiss the obvious intention behind ones words (the context inwhich they were used) and uses nothing but the words themselves to make a cheap shot, in an attempt to discourage any passing visitor.....

Makes you look like a desperate fool who can't stand the fact that not everyone shares YOUR narrow minded point of view (phew!). Now move along... your not fooling anyone.

[edit on 22/5/07 by Navieko]

Originally posted by amigo
Sleeper, could you please ask Milton about the following:

What is the significance of human sacrifices and blood rituals that have been going on for many eons on this planet (and are still being practiced by our overlords...err leaders) in relation to our souls?

Hi amigo,

Plain and simple blood lust, many of the early peoples were renegade ETs that were ejected or escaped from highly advanced civilizations in this solar system eons ago and they remain on the run or in hiding on planets and moons in this system.

I’m not going to get into the ritual part because I don’t want to, it’s beyond horrible. Most of the information has been removed but not all of it, some remains hidden in archives for politically correct reasons; they don’t want to implicate certain human races and some has yet to surface

Also, what about child molestations that they are engaging in as well (both male and female children)?

Much of it is plain sexual perversion by human desires run amuck

Is there a connection with some unseen energies and spilling of blood? What about the blood itself - is there something in blood that connects to the "other side"?

Blood is physical life as we all know, But it has a sinister role too---which is forbidden knowledge that should not be spilt for now, or ever.

This also ties to symbolism as well, things like soldiers wearing ranks (tagged through symbols) and massive spilling of blood in battles being fought at predetermined/specific geographic locations on the planet, anything about that?

Many things remain hidden for a reason, this is one of them. Many people think they can handle anything---not so, they simply reject what they can't believe---this is one of those way-out things that I will not talk about yet.

I don’t like being cryptic but certain subjects are sensitive material that can be upsetting to some people so until I can frame it in better light I will hold on to it. No u2u on this please.

Hey, LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal,
Has it ever occurred to you that some people actually do find personal, spiritual growth in the process of making money, or that making a lot of money is simply the side effect of doing something they really enjoy - maybe something in music, movies, corporate business, law, whatever... who're we to judge?
I'm a bartender and full time student, a lot of people make plenty more than I do (and many less), but I could care less. I've also made the responsible decision not to have a child that I can't support or buy a car I can't pay for. I make decisions that allow me to live within my means - many don't.

I would agree with the assumption that America and Americans hoard resources that others dearly need, but look at the long run - what superpower has ever endured? It'll all come around again, power and privilege will shift, nations will rise and fall.

Socialist news letters and vegan pot lucks really aren't going to do much to change anything. It's every one of us doing small, considerate things that matters the most, like not standing in the doorway in the subway, or looking a street person in the eyes when you don't give them change.

Being conscience of your actions and considerate to others at all times helps you to be a better person, which helps all of those around you to be better people. It really is those little things that make all of the difference.

Most people get everything all backwards. I remember reading an interview with an esteemed Buddhist monk where the interviewer asks the monk if being a vegetarian would help one to become enlightened. In response, the monk laughed and told him that he had it turned around. He said something like 'One may naturally cause the other, but not in the order you think.'

You see what I'm saying? You can't force equality or eradicate poverty by dictating law. Individuals have to dedicate themselves in their hearts.

I think that the point that Sleeper's been making over and over again in many different ways is just simply "try to be a good person". And the way that you know you're succeeding is that you feel like a good person.

Side note: I'm no saint, I've personally been a complete jerk on about 6 separate occasions in this week alone. but I'm trying to do better.

Greetings sleeper!

Rich-Man...Poor-Man? As you pointed out, it's a sliding scale. It's our constant focus on the burdensome extremes that I found Then, while thumbing through my Hitchhikers Guide tonight, I discovered that 'Easy Street' (sometimes called 'Enough') is actually located in the State of Mind!....

Last place I'd ever look

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

Originally posted by OBE1
Greetings sleeper!

Rich-Man...Poor-Man? As you pointed out, it's a sliding scale. It's our constant focus on the burdensome extremes that I found

Then, while thumbing through my Hitchhikers Guide tonight, I discovered that 'Easy Street' (sometimes called 'Enough') is actually located in the State of Mind!....

Last place I'd ever look

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

Hi OBE1,

The rich poor game played mostly by politicians with an agenda creates more hate and aguish than any other human malady in history.

They say money doesn’t bring happiness but neither does poverty.

Money certainly doesn’t buy peace of mind, and neither does poverty.

Peace of mind as you pointed out is only achieved somewhere between the ears

But it doesn’t just happen, it takes hard work, mental work, the mind must push out the dynamic dual known as hate and envy, the two bums that have claimed squatter’s rights in our mind and soul.