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posted on May, 15 2007 @ 12:17 AM
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Thanks, Sleeper, for your devotion to this thread, lol. Very interesting and entertaining comments by all. Give my regards to you know who. GBYA, lol.




posted on May, 15 2007 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by omelette
Sleeper, I appreciate you answering my first batch of questions.
Could you expand a little on what happened when your wife walked in on your meeting with ET - what I guess I'm asking is after she initially freaked out, did she then calm down and accept them as real, talk to them even?


She didn’t get a chance to talk to them, they left and I calmed her down, she remembers the fear but not them.



Now a really controversial question - do both men and women have souls? Reason I ask is that I came across a link in another ATS thread which pointed to some Remote Viewers' site. He has an audio stream which I had playing in the background for perhaps an hour today, listening to what could be regarded as a 'free-styling' sermon. Apparently he thinks that nanotechnology is the next big thing, something I recall you mentioning and this got my attention. Anyway, he then came out with this crap notion of women not having souls which I found quite disturbing - even though I'm a fella... So, as I'm quite sure this hasn't been asked, a yes or no will more than suffice...



Nanotechnology will change the world as we know it in mind boggling ways,

And as for women having souls it depends if it’s that time of mouth---lol, for those not amused by that comment, please forgive me, we men have our own times of the month when hormones get all bunched up in knots too.

To suggest that women don’t have souls is absurd, not sure where he is coming from to make that kind of statement.



Finally, do you know what 'generation' of humans are on this planet - I take it this has been going on for millions of years at least and the slate has been wiped clean many times - do you know how many?
I appreciate your dedication to this thread.


I don’t know which generation we are at now, but many of the early ones were at far more advanced stages than we are, they had access to the space super highway system.



posted on May, 15 2007 @ 06:40 PM
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Hi sleeper,

Thank you for your answers and of course for taking time to enlighten the people of this world to bits and pieces of the bigger picture.

Sadly I do not have your conviction or patience with people or things in general. The amount of frustration on my end is so high that I am ready to jump out of my own skin due to the overall situation in the World.

The docility and complacency of majority of people is simply driving me up the wall. That combined with the fact that things are moving oh so very slow and that it is going to take centuries for something I would like to happen tomorrow makes it so that I'm ready to bang my head off the wall until I make a hole (or my skull cracks).


Someone once said: "No matter where you go, there you are" and that is the insanity that fills my mind every day, trying to cope with this whole illusion around us (or is it really inside us, our own "Reality Tunnel" as RAW postulated). Bottom line is that you cannot escape your own self - crawling in the corner waiting till it goes away does not work.


You say to do what brings pleasure in one's life, to the best of our abilities. I could engulf myself in other things like painting, music, and reading but I feel that would be selfish of me - to just think about myself neglecting the rest of the world. Yet, with every new day I am tempted more and more to do just that (because of what I wrote above) and it takes quite a lot of effort and energy not to.

Perhaps I'm just self-torturing myself over nothing and I'm supposed to be on a vacation here?


Dilemma is do people around me, or the rest of the world truly need me to do something or not. Finding your own mission is quite difficult at this level of frustration...sigh. Just because someone is given a gift, are they meant to use it or not? I contemplate that question quite often, in theory, regardless of my own situation, and wonder what others with similar predicament would feel or think.

Of course there is more than one person with specific gifts else certain things would never get re-discovered, so I suppose that's some sort of a consolation about the whole thing, but never the less the questions remain.


Actually, one of my (many?) gifts is to make connections between things that seemingly do not have anything in common and yet when combined they mesh and often create something totally new or radically different.

Huh, I wrote a lot again. Are ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius (not that I claim I am either of those
)? Something that could've been done in a blink of an eye via telepathy I had to type in 2600 characters and post onto a forum, sigh.



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posted on May, 16 2007 @ 01:54 AM
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Hey Sleeper,

Some folks who look into the future, are seeing some serious Earth change in 2012. Some people who practice out of body experiences are seeing this to....

Here is a link to a guy right here on BTS who is divining the future in much the same way as Nostradamus did.......and he is seeing devistation in 20012.
www.belowtopsecret.com...


Could it be that Milton would keep this information from you so as not to worry you?
I mean if he outright told you this, it would have a PROFOUND effect on your life choices would it not?


KTK

posted on May, 16 2007 @ 02:19 AM
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Hi Sleeper, in your opinion


Is oil and uranium the muck left behind from previous advanced civilisations? I had this thought as a child but i have never seen it out there as a theory.



posted on May, 16 2007 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by amigo
Hi sleeper,

Thank you for your answers and of course for taking time to enlighten the people of this world to bits and pieces of the bigger picture.

Sadly I do not have your conviction or patience with people or things in general. The amount of frustration on my end is so high that I am ready to jump out of my own skin due to the overall situation in the World.

The docility and complacency of majority of people is simply driving me up the wall. That combined with the fact that things are moving oh so very slow and that it is going to take centuries for something I would like to happen tomorrow makes it so that I'm ready to bang my head off the wall until I make a hole (or my skull cracks).



My amigo,

Perhaps you wanting to bang your head against the wall is your test---everything else is only a stage, all those people that are frustrations in your life only extras hired by the film production company.

Why are you being push so hard? Because they think you can take it?



Someone once said: "No matter where you go, there you are" and that is the insanity that fills my mind every day, trying to cope with this whole illusion around us (or is it really inside us, our own "Reality Tunnel" as RAW postulated). Bottom line is that you cannot escape your own self - crawling in the corner waiting till it goes away does not work.


Don’t know who RAW is but sounds like they figured it out



You say to do what brings pleasure in one's life, to the best of our abilities. I could engulf myself in other things like painting, music, and reading but I feel that would be selfish of me - to just think about myself neglecting the rest of the world.


The rest of the world will get along just fine without me, you or people like Mother Teresa. Every one of us is here to face our own unique challenges without the aid of others.

If we happen to learn something from others that’s a plus for us but not a necessity, or requirement in the big picture

Those who see themselves as caregivers are doing good work---but mostly for themselves---that’s a tough one for most to swallow nevertheless it’s true






Yet, with every new day I am tempted more and more to do just that (because of what I wrote above) and it takes quite a lot of effort and energy not to.


Your calling may be as a painter, golfer, or any number of things that might bring more joy in your life---if you are frustrated in what you are doing it may be a sign that you should be doing other things.

We are not here to make everyone happy, that’s an impossible job, we are here to make ourselves happy---and when we are happy people around us are happy---and then the whole world would be happy---unfortunately that is not the case because too many people get frustrated doing things they don’t want to do.



Perhaps I'm just self-torturing myself over nothing and I'm supposed to be on a vacation here?


Exactly, life should be a vacation regardless of your occupation.

Even if your job sucks, it only sucks because you think it sucks---what sucks is not being able to see past the illusions we create in our own minds



Dilemma is do people around me, or the rest of the world truly need me to do something or not. Finding your own mission is quite difficult at this level of frustration...sigh.


You have heard the saying “if you don’t like where you are now change what you are doing”



Just because someone is given a gift, are they meant to use it or not?


A gift is just that, it brings pleasure to the one that has it and perhaps to others---a gift is a good thing, otherwise it’s not a gift




Actually, one of my (many?) gifts is to make connections between things that seemingly do not have anything in common and yet when combined they mesh and often create something totally new or radically different.


Most of us can’t handle but one gift at a time, choose one and make the best of it.



posted on May, 16 2007 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
Hey Sleeper,

Some folks who look into the future, are seeing some serious Earth change in 2012. Some people who practice out of body experiences are seeing this to....

Here is a link to a guy right here on BTS who is divining the future in much the same way as Nostradamus did.......and he is seeing devistation in 20012.
www.belowtopsecret.com...


Could it be that Milton would keep this information from you so as not to worry you?
I mean if he outright told you this, it would have a PROFOUND effect on your life choices would it not?


Hey RiverGoddess,

On the contrary, Milton shows me way more than I want to know believe it or not---lol

This planet earth is one dynamic ride for most people ever since people were dropped off here, it was created to be that way.

Just because the Western World exist in calmer waters doesn’t mean the vast majority on this planet do or ever did. Granted the waters will not remain calm indefinitely but that is the nature and adventure of earthly ways.

Will the world change in a big way? Yes! Somewhere in the world big changes are happening right now, tomorrow, next week, next year, but 2012 will be the most uneventful year of this century for all but a few.

Many of us want the world to change big time, ET to land in mass and enlighten us---anything, because we are bored with out lives---we seek change

Well rejoice, because change is coming---one day at a time---



posted on May, 16 2007 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by KTK
Hi Sleeper, in your opinion

Is oil and uranium the muck left behind from previous advanced civilisations? I had this thought as a child but i have never seen it out there as a theory.


Good theory btw KTK,

Everything was put here for a reason; some occurred in a process that we call “naturally” other stuff like gold was use as a carrot to get people off their arses and venture where they would not otherwise go.

Nevertheless, many of the previous advanced civilizations did “not” use oil nor uranium to power their compartmentalized cities and craft. Oil, coal, natural gas, copper, tin, iron, uranium, and a host of other stuff are the ingredients mainly for this batch of humans who will be here for a long time to come



posted on May, 16 2007 @ 06:37 PM
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Sleeper, thanks for your untiring efforts here on ATS.

I've been meaning to ask you this for a while. My wife is a casting director and casts many of the movies that come to Las Vegas to film. She has cast some of the biggest including "Casino".

I am not interested in the casting business or acting. I am either in my den or at the mine when all of this goes on.

Here is my question: who are these people that would literally 'die' to get 10 seconds on the big screen. I am not kidding, they would sell their children to get a part in a movie. They roll in here by the hundreds hoping that Marilee (my wife) will put them in a movie. Marilee is one of the most popular woman in Las Vegas merely because she is a casting director. It seems like EVERYBODY wants to be in a movie.

So what gives? Are these souls that don't get enough lifetimes and they need to act out additional ones? Are actors souls with too many lifetimes trying to get out? What? What? Thanks.



posted on May, 16 2007 @ 06:50 PM
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Hi sleeper

Your words make sense but I guess I'm just being difficult towards myself. One's self is their own worst critic.


RAW is Robert Anton Wilson, and he might actually crack you up if you listen or read some of his stuff. The main website is www.rawilson.com... though if you search on youTube you'll find tons of interviews. Sadly he passed away just recently, or should I say lucky him


I'm not really unhappy with my job or my surroundings, those things can be changed but I do not think changing them will change anything internally. I also believe that the less we have the less we need, so I'm trying to have a minimal "footprint" on the world in general.
Problem is that I'm a perfectionist and have spent better part of my life trying to make everyone happy. No, this is not some complex from the childhood but a desire to give people more, enrich their lives in some way, sometimes being as simple as a cheerful joke that will make their day.

Though in reality it boils down that the World and me are not compatible. People for some reason like suffering and misery. They have the power to stop, step outside the frame and take a better look, but they are too preoccupied with trying to make the ends meet (which is most likely there on purpose) that they lack the courage or initiative to do so.

At the same time I just cannot be an obedient drone or pretend that this is all there is. I had a bit of time to contemplate a bigger picture of this World, and I guess I brought some of it from the other side as well. The realization of an illusion makes for an irreconcilable difference between the World and me.

Yet, I can't "rock the boat" or I'll get kicked off and I have no where else to go. No spaceship parked in a garage to just take off and Milton's friends have not shown up to pick me up because they know I'd rather stay off-world where I might finally have a peace of mind...

Boy some shrink would have a field day with me, actually it would probably be the opposite - shrink would run out of the office screaming and shaking in terror. Hehe, I know many people do whenever I start rambling about these things or try to paint a bit of the bigger picture. They refuse to even consider a possibility there is more than what they see with their two eyes or are told by the Media.

You were right about what you wrote, that most people are not ready yet, but what about those that are.

Couldn't we just split the populace in two, by choice of course: those who don't want to know and those who want to know. Let the ones who want to know - know.
Those that don't will eventually see that those that do got something going for them and might want to find out what that is.
Then again that might lead to yet another gap between "haves" and "don't haves", tensions and ultimately war. As if we don't have enough of it as it is, blah.



posted on May, 16 2007 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Marilee is one of the most popular woman in Las Vegas merely because she is a casting director.


Ha!

I am NOT buying that for a second!

It's because she's John Lear's wiife and you KNOW IT!


Springer...

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posted on May, 16 2007 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Springer



Ha!

I am NOT buying that for a second!

It's because she's John Lear's wiife and you KNOW IT!


Springer...





Well the truth is that when they come in for an interview and they say "Are you any relation to John Lear" it drives her stark, staring, crazy.

(You see, she thinks I'm nuts and doesn't believe anything I talk about. And she can't understand why anybody else does.)



posted on May, 16 2007 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Well the truth is that when they come in for an interview and they say "Are you any relation to John Lear" it drives her stark, staring, crazy.

(You see, she thinks I'm nuts and doesn't believe anything I talk about. And she can't understand why anybody else does.)


/me bows to johnlear ...

Oh wait, I'll be serious for a moment. John, perhaps you could walk-in on one of those interviews and see if the interviewee pees their pants because you are there. Surely that would be some proof to your wife to out worldly things you talk about, though she might not appreciate the practical joke. Dang the world is too serious



posted on May, 16 2007 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Sleeper, thanks for your untiring efforts here on ATS.


Thanks John! Now I’m tired---lol



I've been meaning to ask you this for a while. My wife is a casting director and casts many of the movies that come to Las Vegas to film. She has cast some of the biggest including "Casino".

I am not interested in the casting business or acting. I am either in my den or at the mine when all of this goes on.

Here is my question: who are these people that would literally 'die' to get 10 seconds on the big screen. I am not kidding, they would sell their children to get a part in a movie. They roll in here by the hundreds hoping that Marilee (my wife) will put them in a movie. Marilee is one of the most popular woman in Las Vegas merely because she is a casting director. It seems like EVERYBODY wants to be in a movie.

So what gives? Are these souls that don't get enough lifetimes and they need to act out additional ones? Are actors souls with too many lifetimes trying to get out? What? What? Thanks.


It must be for the fifteen seconds of fame and lifetime of bragging rights should they score a role, or maybe they like hanging with Marilee, perhaps you should spend less time in the den when they come over---



posted on May, 17 2007 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Springer



Ha!

I am NOT buying that for a second!

It's because she's John Lear's wiife and you KNOW IT!


Springer...





Well the truth is that when they come in for an interview and they say "Are you any relation to John Lear" it drives her stark, staring, crazy.

(You see, she thinks I'm nuts and doesn't believe anything I talk about. And she can't understand why anybody else does.)



Good lord, that sounds like my wife. She gets upset when she wants to talk, but doesn't understand that when i am in thought i am almost unreachable. When we go to the in laws, she tells me to not talk about anything crazy.

My employees love it, though. Through my expression of thoughts, they can see that I am a compassionate boss that only wants them to do well in life and work.

It seems that some people have a block put in to keep them from Denying Ignorance.



posted on May, 18 2007 @ 01:47 PM
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Hi Sleeper,

There is something I would like to bring to your attention regarding the overall philosophy you have shared. Your experience has shaped a worldview which I call a 'philosophy'. Perhaps it is something that has become apparent or maybe not. I'll attempt to verbalize what I am thinking.

Someone may take your philosophy to heart. I'm thinking caution may be in order for the sake of application of this philosophy to everyday situations. I know individuals may not know what their purpose or function, etc. may be, but someone may incorrectly assume that another individual is set in a place, experience, situation because of past deeds, or lack or experience.

Some people may instantly label those who are in trouble as people who deserve a certain situation that they are in. For example, someone may be getting robbed and one may think, with this new philosopy, that this person deserves this type of treatment.

I'm saying it's ok to help others and I think you feel the same and may want to address this. I'm just critiquing certain pieces of the philosophy that you may inadvertently promoting.

There are other pieces that need attention too, but I'll save that for another post.

On another note, could you ask Milton how to help out Sasquatch?

Thanks and take care.



posted on May, 18 2007 @ 03:32 PM
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That's a bit weird to me. Caution?

I want everything and all - thrown at me - so I can decide for myself what my philosphy is.



posted on May, 18 2007 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by seanc
Hi Sleeper,

There is something I would like to bring to your attention regarding the overall philosophy you have shared. Your experience has shaped a worldview which I call a 'philosophy'. Perhaps it is something that has become apparent or maybe not. I'll attempt to verbalize what I am thinking.


Hi seanc,

I consider that all the time and try to be politically correct---but then again that is one of the big problems in this world we don’t want to hold anyone accountable.



Someone may take your philosophy to heart. I'm thinking caution may be in order for the sake of application of this philosophy to everyday situations. I know individuals may not know what their purpose or function, etc. may be, but someone may incorrectly assume that another individual is set in a place, experience, situation because of past deeds, or lack or experience.


None of us are in our present situations by accident, or by chance, we all earned our spot in this long line here on earth.

I know most don’t want to hear that, or believe that and they certainly don’t have to.



Some people may instantly label those who are in trouble as people who deserve a certain situation that they are in. For example, someone may be getting robbed and one may think, with this new philosopy, that this person deserves this type of treatment.


Pointing fingers and being judgmental towards others is also a test many of us fail at. Most of us are here because we also lack in the perfection gig, therefore if we can’t add or give help to those worst off, best to move along and let those who can and will---do their thing.



I'm saying it's ok to help others and I think you feel the same and may want to address this. I'm just critiquing certain pieces of the philosophy that you may inadvertently promoting.


I may be promoting it but there really aren’t that many buying it---lol



On another note, could you ask Milton how to help out Sasquatch?


Milton says there is nothing wrong with Sasquatch other than earth is a lot warmer than Mars, and their furry hides get itchy, and this solar system warming isn’t helping.


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posted on May, 18 2007 @ 06:11 PM
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My wife works for a Hindu doctor. His wife is very judgemental, and if someone is down on their luck she see's it as them getting what they deserved. She is always lamenting how sorry her life is, and how she must have been bad in a past life. I sit there and think, "WOW, you have a screwed up perspective...wait till the next life and you live out all this karma!!!".

The thing is, she can think negatively six ways to sunday...what good has it done? Are we here to pass judgement or are we here for a higher purpose?

What sleeper says is perfectly viable. You cannot blame the messenger for a few people who cannot handle new concepts.

[edit on 18-5-2007 by bigfatfurrytexan]



posted on May, 18 2007 @ 09:44 PM
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I see where you are coming from Annee, but there is an important point behind what Sanc is addressing:

How big of a jerk can you become and still be ethically acceptable in Sleeper's philosophy?

How much can you shirk off the concept of 'social responsibility' in this philosophy and still be ok?

Sleeper, it seems, is terrified of 'social responsibility' as a concept that could bring down his happy mood or, even worse, make him get off this forum and go to Africa to serve food to dying children.




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