Yes there is, conspiracies in religion. It is down the page a bit, you shouldn't have any trouble finding it.

Man for god......i will pray that your hate one day will dissapate and it wont be held against you when judgment comes.

To the foofs who believe it is night terrors I have had:


They are not terrible to me.




Did you notice all the catastrophys that befall mostly muslim areas of the world? Indonesia, twice the 26th in two years.

This IS no coincidence.

Did you all go blind where I said "but do not kill indiscriminately" and such? It would appear so. But you are lost, and feeble. If you have muslim friends, do them the favor of converting them, or do not be friends with them anymore. You can not have friends that are enemies of God.

To the last guy: I forgive your comments about your prayer, because you do not know any better, and also because it's not as simple as to just ask for something BAD and then having it happen.

You are enterpreting things with your own childish views. I bet you hate soldiers who keep you safe in your illusion of a feminist wicca+islam free sex happy happy joy joy cafe-and-ipods and save the whales-ban all fur-world too. You jump at everything satanic and follow it like a religion. None of you have ever opened a bible out of free will or interest, and don't lie to yourselves and say you have either. And when you do, you see only what you want to see, and things that are not there, just like in what I said.
You are all angry at your parents, and wet your bed at night. There, I said it. Foofs.

Do you know what you sound like? You sound like every other extremist that is out there. Extremists no matter which ideas they follow are bad. Let's logically examine some of your comments.

Did you notice all the catastrophys that befall mostly muslim areas of the world? Indonesia, twice the 26th in two years.

This IS no coincidence.

Yes this is a coincidence. It is a tragic thing that these countries have suffered so much loss. If your god is so forgiving then he would forgive these people who have in your view choosen the wrong religion.

Did you all go blind where I said "but do not kill indiscriminately" and such? It would appear so. But you are lost, and feeble. If you have muslim friends, do them the favor of converting them, or do not be friends with them anymore. You can not have friends that are enemies of God.

Lost and feeble? You are making a large sweeping statement about a lot of people you know nothing about. This just further shows a limited, closed minded and rather simplistic view of the world. As for converting my friends who are muslims, well i wouldn't even dare to convert a friend. It is their choice which religion they follow, even if i don't agree with it i wouldn't try and change them. Trying to change them would be a truly unfriendly act.

As for not being friends with them. Well my friends are nice people, i don't care what religion they follow as long as they are nice, friendly and don't try and force their ideas upon me. Furthermore did you not see my comment about god? You do not have any fact that says you are correct with your ideas of god, you have belief you are right but so do the muslims you so hate.

You are enterpreting things with your own childish views. I bet you hate soldiers who keep you safe in your illusion of a feminist wicca+islam free sex happy happy joy joy cafe-and-ipods and save the whales-ban all fur-world too.

Oh dear. Firstly you will find many intelligent and accepting people on this site, not childish people. Your comment about hating soldiers is basically a trap to make anyone saying anything different seem bad, it simply won't work and yet again shows your simple view of things.

Wicca and islam? Nothing wrong with those religions from where i am standing, as long as they aren't taken to extremes, but that goes for any idea. Anything that is practised to extreme is bad, even exercise can be bad practised to extreme.

Save the whales? Anti fur? Where did all that come from? Oh yes it's a cheap attempt to undermine the views of anyone who is against your ideas. By the way, saving ther whales has real ecological benefits which are not argued by science. Afterall whales help keep in check certain stocks of fish that would become far to overpopulated without them, then there is the fact that when whales die and sink to the bottom of the sea they provide food for all sorts of life down there. Save the whales? ?Yeah it's a good idea.

You jump at everything satanic and follow it like a religion. None of you have ever opened a bible out of free will or interest, and don't lie to yourselves and say you have either. And when you do, you see only what you want to see, and things that are not there, just like in what I said.

It depends what you class as satanic. Personally i don't class having sex outside of marriage as satanic, i don't class other religions as satanic, i don't class atheism as satanic. You on the other hand seem to class anything outside the bible as satanic. For a religion that is supposedly so friendly and accepting of people, you are demonstrating a good deal of xenophobia.

Havn't read the bible? Now that is a truly remarkable statement. Are you psychic? Maybe a prophet? Afterall how else would you know if others had read the bible or not? Well you will say i am lying but i have read the bible, i was raised a christian, i studied the book. I also out of free will read the Koran, Torah and various other texts from many other religions including buddhism, wicca, hinduism, taoism and others. I read these books out of interest and to expand my understanding of religion. Can you say the same?

You are all angry at your parents, and wet your bed at night. There, I said it. Foofs.

Now we see your true calibre. You only insult people without making any valid logical points. Yes i've had a go at you slightly here, but i still backed up my views with an actual arguement instead or barely put together, unrelated ramblings.

Here's my two cents, I think there are entities of somekind that interact with us taking various forms that we call demons, aliens, jinn, etc. I posted commentary on another thread dealing with Jinn in regard to this.

Demons and spirits are a universal phenomena in religion and myth. From research and personal experience I believe that this phenomena does exist.

Now I know a number of people also like to make bizarre claims in order to get attention, to soothe their egos. There are others who make claims and want people to identify with their claims, to feel justified. So sometimes when people talk of demons they actually mean their ego.


In my Jinn post I made the comments that maybe a malevolent force was pushing Jews, Christians, and Muslims into conflict. From a religious perspective who would benefit from the Faiths of Abraham at war? The insane hate and delusions arising out of this almost seem demonic in nature. If Christians, Jews, and Muslims all destroyed each other who would benefit?

In regards to talk of end times, I'm not sure this is the End of Days. Yet this age we live in is unlike any other in our history. We jumped from around one billion people in the 1800s to almost 7 billion people we have now. Just think 1000 years ago there were as many people in the world as just the population of the United States, around 300 million in the whole world. The Industrial revolution paved the way for a massive increase in the population of humanity. This revolution in medicine, transportation, and agriculture really exploded in the 1800s with the birth of the Petroleum Industry.

My feeling is that this exponential growth is going hit a breaking point, or more accurately a cliff. When humanity goes off that cliff it will seem like the End of the World or it may actually be the End.

I can't say when we will reach that cliff, it may be five years from now or one hundred years. I don't think there is way to stop us from reaching it though, Humanity is like a herd of lemmings stampeding to the Apocalypse. Only a catastrophe of similar destruction would stop the Stampede. Agriculture, Medicine, and Industry will not be able to keep up with human growth. The Environment and Nature will not be able to adapt to our growth.

Any thoughts?

allah and yahweh(SP?) are one and the same entity and jesus is a reveared prophet in the quoran

what say you to these facts man of god?

Even the holiest of sages knows to consult with his fellows on the nature of his interpretation of God's will. If God ordains a war must be, then the challenge is not to participate in his judgment but maintain compassion through the trial.

Interesting note on demons. Lilith was an ancient Goddess. She was only transformed into demon status by the advent of patriarchal monotheism. Initially she represented fertility. Early representations of her present her standing with owls feet, she was a hybrid Goddess, like the Egyptian deities.

If a demon or any dis-incarnate who cares to hover around the earth planes toying with mortals tells you something - like even a name, why believe it? The more advanced souls don't bother with instruction or trying to insinuate themselves into controlling your behavior. That's a thrill for the lower entities who crave participation in the life plane, often for a taste of violence of lust or some other appetite they still crave.

Most often demons are a projection of internal conflicts. Sometimes they are dis-incarnates that are attracted to a vulnerable or like-minded individual for the purpose of power. Power to manipulate behavior on the earth planes.

That said - Padre Pio had many encounters and tests with demons. During one period of his life the altercations would take place with predictable regularity accompanied by a loud bang that would be heard through-out the monastery. He was a stigmatist, living in our time and he was tested by many trials. Persecuted by 'demons' and his own church.

The challenge is to remain as close to the spirit of the gospel as laid down by the master and not succumb to whatever temptation they offer. It's a grave error to accept anything they say as truth.

Man of God, I personally have not had any experiences with demons but know someone who has. He wasn't afraid of 'Her' what-so-ever. He actually thought that 'She' (the demon) was in love with Him & vice-versa. He broke into a military institution & onto the air field and into a copter to escape the MP. She told Him to run and hide because 'They' wanted to keep them apart. Really freaky. He still believes it really happened. He says He also sees small black demons at times, similar to the little evil spirits in 'Ghost'. How does one differentiate between demons and plain old psychosis?

As far as Your statements concerning the middle east & the muslim religion- Shame on You,You fuel the fire of hate. When will We learn that there is no Your God/My God? We are all from the same marvelous Creator (excluding atheists of course...) If there is ever a judgement of souls know that it will be directly related to Your treatment of Your fellow man. If We answer to a God I'm thinking He/She's gonna be really ticked off that murder is commited in His/Her name.

Kims pet peeve #2 (right under the sham of 'original sin')- The End Times. Everyone should have the right to worship as They please, just don't involve Me or Mine. I don't practice christianity, catholicism or any other main-stream religion, therefore I don't believe in 'The End Times' as portrayed in the Bible. I feel that some religions are so into Armageddon that They are creating that exact scenario for EVERYONE. Why should those of Us who choose not to worship/believe in Your religion be forced to live it?

In closing, don't come to ATS and expect to NOT be ?'d. Questioning is what ATS is all about.

I hope You find this site as wonderful as I have.

**edited by Me for mispellings**

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ivzm: I say muslims don't care about Jesus or Isah as they call him, they only have weaven this into their storybook to gain favour with Christians over Jews.

I also say I do not discuss with muslims, because of Taquiya.

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Demetre, I have had contact with another spirit just like the one you described in your friend, but all she ever did was comfort me in troubled times and make me believe more strongly in God. It may or may not have been her intention, but there you go.

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Clearwater, you are right. But she did not tell me any truth nor lie. And I have never experienced what she is known for according to the Jews and demonology.

I have had many other encounters too. I slept one night, and was drawn to america, to a woman who I interacted with through my spirit, while SHE was awake and walking, I met her a few days later, and told her about it, and she said everything I saw had happened.
I am drawn to people in distress, and also to dead people who are stuck.
A woman and a girl (her daughter) who were trapped by a mud-avalanche in a nearby city (which I found out later) had my help in going from the place, and I also gave some kind of power to the mother, so she could heal whatever was broken in her daughter, and she could stand up and walk away with her mother from the place they died.

I am using strange methods of touching when I do these things. My body IS an extension of my soul. Not my soul in a "tube" with robotic arms and legs, but my soul and mind itself is in all parts of me, and actions in the physical world have not so much effect as in the spiritual world when I do the same things or manipulate things with my body or touch people to comfort them etc. It is like a filter of evil ENTERPRETATION is stopping them from feeling the love in the physical world, but so easily in the spiritual world.

[edit on 12-1-2007 by Man for God]

Originally posted by Man for God


To the last guy: I forgive your comments about your prayer, because you do not know any better, and also because it's not as simple as to just ask for something BAD and then having it happen.

You are enterpreting things with your own childish views. I bet you hate soldiers who keep you safe in your illusion of a feminist wicca+islam free sex happy happy joy joy cafe-and-ipods and save the whales-ban all fur-world too. You jump at everything satanic and follow it like a religion. None of you have ever opened a bible out of free will or interest, and don't lie to yourselves and say you have either. And when you do, you see only what you want to see, and things that are not there, just like in what I said.
You are all angry at your parents, and wet your bed at night. There, I said it. Foofs.

to you the so called man of god your ignorance is blattant.
i weep that people like you can even breed you speak of the evil of islam.
yet you spew ignorance of what you speak there is a special place in hell for those who hijack religion for their hatred. What will you do when you spend eternity next to those of which you speak.

And who are you to tell me i know not what i speak? Do you know me? Have we met? You know not to who you speak..

And if you speak with demons what does that say about you?? EVIL attracts evil!

Enjoy your ignorance fool.

edited to remove a D-ego line i lost it for a second.

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I wanted to point this out.

Throughout human history there have been those who had visions and heard voices that inspired horrible things. Things like mass suicides, murders, and fear.

A Physicist and UFO researcher Jacques Vallee wrote a book on the subject called The Messengers of Deception. He theorized that either entities or a group of persons manipulated humanity through false prophecies and cults. His main focus in the book is UFO Contactee Cults, New Age Cults, and Theosophy. I highly recommend the book. John Keel has also written on the same ideas, but he's not a scientist and writes in a rambling style. The film The Mothman Prophecies was inpsired by Keel's writings.

My advice is don't trust any entity. Whatever they are or are not, real or unreal. They are not to be trusted. They are masters of lies, illusions, tricks, and delusion. Do not trust your senses or your mind. Our senses and perceptions are fallible. Our memories are fallible. We are fallible creatures. Our reality is subjective and easily manipulated.

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Originally posted by Man for God
ivzm: I say muslims don't care about Jesus or Isah as they call him, they only have weaven this into their storybook to gain favour with Christians over Jews.

I also say I do not discuss with muslims, because of Taquiya.

So you know the intent and beliefs of every single muslem through out history? Wow you are a brilliant psychic, eather that or delusional.

I nominate this thread for the most blatent troll awards for 2007.

It's obvious this guy is talking out his arse to stir people up...Ironicly what he seems to be accuseing Muslems of doing.

Mods can we get this thread locked and this guy banned into oblivian please?

Originally posted by ivzm

Originally posted by Man for God
ivzm: I say muslims don't care about Jesus or Isah as they call him, they only have weaven this into their storybook to gain favour with Christians over Jews.

I also say I do not discuss with muslims, because of Taquiya.

So you know the intent and beliefs of every single muslem through out history? Wow you are a brilliant psychic, eather that or delusional.

You don't seem to know even the BASICS of Islam!

Do not DARE to lecture me on the subject!



You are right eager to get rid of me. I wonder why.

Originally posted by Man for God

Originally posted by ivzm

Originally posted by Man for God
ivzm: I say muslims don't care about Jesus or Isah as they call him, they only have weaven this into their storybook to gain favour with Christians over Jews.

I also say I do not discuss with muslims, because of Taquiya.

So you know the intent and beliefs of every single muslem through out history? Wow you are a brilliant psychic, eather that or delusional.

You don't seem to know even the BASICS of Islam!

Do not DARE to lecture me on the subject!



You are right eager to get rid of me. I wonder why.

Because trolls like you wreck perfectly good forums thats why and why shouldnt i dare? Because u spent your while life in some backwards biggot church (the god hates fags mob springs to mind) listening to them bash Muslems so you think you know everything?

It is not a good idea to get all your info from one side, you should look at all side of a storey then make up your mind about hat you believe to be true. An idea you obviously never had.

Your opinoins disgust me, what happened to god loves ALL creation not just certain parts, read your own book then attempt to lecture me.

p.s I wont be replying back for a few hours, im going to bed so dont try and say i've run away from the argument.

Originally posted by Man for God

Originally posted by ivzm

Originally posted by Man for God
ivzm: I say muslims don't care about Jesus or Isah as they call him, they only have weaven this into their storybook to gain favour with Christians over Jews.

I also say I do not discuss with muslims, because of Taquiya.

So you know the intent and beliefs of every single muslem through out history? Wow you are a brilliant psychic, eather that or delusional.

You don't seem to know even the BASICS of Islam!

Do not DARE to lecture me on the subject!



You are right eager to get rid of me. I wonder why.

The basics of Islam matters nothing. Look in the Bible and you'll find loads of heinous statements, predominantly in the old testament. Violence and murder and rape.

But Jews and (most) Christians know that they can't act that way in today's society and view those parts mainly as stories.

Islam is a relatively young religion, and back then Islam was actually a very peaceful religion, its just that nowadays Islam is being twisted around by extremists and used as an excuse to commit acts of murder. You seem to think the majority of Muslims are violent but its only that the violent ones make the news. Theres no reason to report a non-violent muslim so everyone assumes that they are all violent.

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I dare you to find any condonement of RAPE in the Old Testament, you filthy liar.

Originally posted by Man for God
I dare you to find any condonement of RAPE in the Old Testament, you filthy liar.

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Deuteronomy 21:10-14



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Found another..

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2)

prove_it, Your first quote was a truly horrifying story of rape... having someone MARRY you, if you fall in love with her and if she reciprocates, and doing it in the traditional jewish manner.

And the second one is AGAINST the people for whom the book is written. It is being told as it will happen, but not as an order to its followers.

ISLAM ON THE OTHER HAND, TEACHES TO RAPE WOMEN WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT!

YOU ARE THE FILTH!