Millions of people are contacted by all types of extremely strange alien beings in their homes at night or when they are in some secluded area and yet the beings are intelligent enough not to leave proof behind.


Recently an insect alien about 2 feet tall told me that secrecy is the name of the game.

Proof is not available for all the masses of contact taking place.
And yet it is our duty as members of humanity to alert others about any unusual happenings that take place.

So each day millions of people in countless webrooms explain about the strange alien beings that they had encounters with. And in response they are mocked and humiliated. Called 'insane and in need of medical attention. Told they are making it all up for attention or as disinformation. Told they are encountering demons and are therefore worthy of mockery and spurn. Or they are just deleted and banned for not fitting in with the status doh

The list of atrocities being inflicted against contactees on the web is endless. It isn't enough that they have been invaded by aliens, but now they must be mocked by humanity as well.

When I was at Whitley Strieber's site there was a woman who said she had an affair with a gray. People openly called her a sl*t and mocked her until she left. Her whole family were in contact with the aliens and she was one of the keys to unlocking the mystery of the aliens but she was silenced by the web.

So I ask you. Why should any contactee reveal anything on the web? Why should they try to tell others about the aliens they encountered when the people are just going to mock and deride them?

Surely the contactees are people who deserve respect and who have respect for themselves. Why does contact with an alien suddenly mean the person loses all respect from the world and all self pride and becomes another victim of the stone throwing ignorant mob.

People want disclosure and truth, but every day across the web spectrum they mock those who innocently arrive to disclose the truth to them.

So to my mind, after years of observance, the web is where all contactees are filtered out and silenced and in this way our world is being kept in the dark and the truth will never be known.

I guess this will be removed straight away but I just wanted to put it out there

I have read a lot of what you and AA were doing with the "Stream" or whatever you call it, and I pointed out the effects of "self hypnosis", being that individuals practicing such techniques tend to see exactly what they are searching for.

Meaning, if you are searching or obsessed with a dead loved one, a pet, UFO's, dinosaurs, well, the mind is an incredible place to play. There are people that are into Out of Body Experiences and have claimed to travel all over the world, talked with others, taken part in Remote Viewing etc.

When you are talking about aliens visiting you in your bedroom, AND talking about hypnosis, it's a double whammy. Are you lucid dreaming, or are you in your self hypnosis state, between the wall of sleep, or all of the above? Hey, I'm not saying what you are seeing is not real, because to you it is 100% real. To me, it just sounds like you are having some fun messing around in the vast open spaces of our mind.

It shouldn't matter what you think other people think so much. You have to deal with what you have to deal with. To post "An insect told me it's part of the game" or whatever it was, you have to realize that there is nothing there for us. No proof, no answers, no nothing. What would you expect from us with that statement? Oh, the answer to the whole Alien thing is "A Secret!" Hmm, just a thought, but if it upsets you that people are ridiculing you and mocking you, ask yourself first how you would respond if someone else posted it, and what, if anything, does it benefit anyone on this board.

What you say doesn't make much sense, on my opinion.

a) First of all, why do you think your post will be removed straight away? Your message does not contain anything offensive, and adopting a needless martir-like attitude doesn't help your point.

b) If the aliens tell you that secrecy is the name of the game, it doesn't make much sense that they want you to spread the "truth".

c) If the aliens want to spread the "truth", they should stop appearing in people's bedrooms, and just radio a signal for a couple of days. It will be picked up by stations all around the world. It's just that simple.

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
I have read a lot of what you and AA were doing with the "Stream" or whatever you call it, ..

I have never been involved with the stream as you mentioned. I advocate telepathic contact with the aliens followed by physical contact through opening our minds. I simply go to Alienagenda's threads to help certain people understand the strange experieces they are being given.

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Originally posted by Celtibero


b) If the aliens tell you that secrecy is the name of the game, it doesn't make much sense that they want you to spread the "truth".

The aliens have always told me to keep silent and tell people nothing. But whenever I speak about the aliens on the web some people claim I am working for the aliens and teaching their lies. But I am actually doing the opposite to what the aliens want me to do. I tell people because I love humanity and want them to know we are not alone, even though the aliens tell me incessantly to remain silent and tell people nothing. They even told me again this morning to reveal nothing to people.





[edit on 11-1-2007 by probedbygrays]

Probed:

Did you happen to take a pic of that insect alien?

I wish you kept your camera handy.

No I have never tried to take pictures or steal proof from them. I think this is why they respect me and visit me so often. I'm only interested in making friends with other worlds and not in taking stuff from them or exploiting them by taking their pictures.

They are coming from another time as well so they would possibly just look like a blur on film. They're not blobs of flesh like us, they are high energy beings using incredible wormhole technology to reach us. I just want to keep their trust. If they ever decide to use me to present proof to humanity then I am willing to do that for them. But until then I will respect their desire to remain secretive.

The main reason I talk about them is because millions of people are having contact with them. But as I mentioned earlier those people are being mocked into silence by the mobs roaming the web.

We describe our experiences as best as we can and as we are all individuals our descriptions and perspectives vary considerably. Still our testimonies are all parts of a picture too large for the human mind to comprehend.

Here's an interesting take or maybe not.

truth is reliant on belief. Facts are not because a fact is a provable instance.

truth...a delusional person may believe something so profoundly that even a lie detector would not show any mistruth. A delusional person may beleive so vehemently in their truth that any and all facts that contradict or dispell will be ignored or supressed at all costs.

truth is fragile. facts are far more hearty.

What you believe to be true...in your mind and heart is...but without a fact or facts to give it bulk and make it a tangible thing or at least a verifiable thing...you have nothing but a thought which is called "truth".

As a possible contactee I'd really rather avoid being lumped into any category or "group". I remain skeptical even of my own experience...this keeps me searching for answers.

As far as the web being the destructive force in the telling of experiences...no. You are wrong.

Try shifting blame to human nature. Modern psychology maybe...psychoanalysis...

None are entirely to blame and none are entirely blameless...truth without fact is thought. Truth with fact is reality.

2 foot high insecti-zoid aliens huh? Well...your truth is not the common reality or we'd all be seeing them too, on the latest "Nature - with David Suzuki" or National Geographic.

people think some claims of aliens and communications... are the fractured beliefs of lunatics because they are.

personally, I'll keep searching for that lone bone with some meat on it. Quietly and in my own way.

I'm really starting to like the saying "put up or shut up." I may get it printed on a T-shirt.

Hey, Probedbygrays you must not know what it is like to look at what you have written and think @@ It seems you are convinced that you have been in contact with aliens. You said that a 2foot tall insect alien spoke to you explaining that secrecy is the "name of the game", sorry but that is just...(in the nicest way possible) past belief. but out of curiosity what kind of insect? what kind of voice did it have was it male or female? old/young? polite or rude?

a woman who said she had an affair with a gray.

So we know that it was an anonymous woman, who just happened to meet a cute & rather sexy Gray which she had an affair with, Could you get a name possibly, what was her familys reaction to her whirlwind romance? did he do a runner?

So to my mind, after years of observance, the web is where all contactees are filtered out and silenced and in this way our world is being kept in the dark and the truth will never be known.

But the truth will be known as long as these aliens continue to "contact" the exceptional and special people such as yourself [serious tone]
So you are saying that every "contactee" with access to the web who has used it too describe their experience has been the subject of silencing. hmm...they didnt get you then.

From the avatar I would take a guess you are a fan of drugs and would be willing to propose you probably take/have taken drugs, tell me does it help to make "contact". do they get stoned with you?


The fact that I cant deny you have had contact with these things is why I have an open mind about such subjects, but on a list of probable things I think are true its right at the bottom, under what I regard as shulls bit.

[edit on 11-1-2007 by marcopolo]

Personally, i think greys are small all over.

I would stay away from them sexually.

I hereby retract the statement that Probed is in the stream, my bad. I had seen many of your posts on that topic and thought you were into all that.

Now, how about something positive. Or, better yet, until you have something really solid that could benefit us, maybe just start a diary?

yes i would have thought just like the ignorant as well if aliens had not contacted me. Now I am simply someone to be abused with ridicule because I don't have a pill or some proof that will reveal the truth to folks.

I don't want to try and sort out all your problems regarding the type of logic that led you to your skeptical stances. I was the same as you long ago. Now I am just another victim of the mindless sheep who wait for someone to hand them a pill so they too can know the truth.

As soon as you call me delusional or mock me you are as good as ignored and i will not dignify your posts with a response.

I don't have proof, although I have convinced other people to just open their minds to contact and some of them have made contact. That's all I really am interested in. Helping people to grow up so they can communicate with the gods or beings around us.

I think the gods don't want to give proof to our world. UFOs don't prove anything. They are not creatures so they leave us in ignorance as well.

Even if I had a bunch of blurry photos and some garbled phone recordings, or a few scars and some anomalous implants, it still would not be proof that I have been contacted by alien beings. Short of an actual alien body to hand to you there is little that could convince the diehard skeptics. And if I had an alien body, dead or alive, to give you I would be placed into quarantine and silenced before the sun came up.

It's natural to want proof. But in all the world there is no definitive proof of aliens. So what good is it to mock and silence everyone who doesn't have proof for you. Chances are the aliens will NEVER give proof to this world, -ever. So we could all spend our lives calling everyone delusional if they don't have proof for us. And why would we do that? Do we seriously think that people are going to make up stuff like this knowing they are going to be mocked for life? If we think that then we are the delusional ones. People have more self respect than that I believe.

Tis a wicked and perverse generation that seeks a sign

marcopolo your saying that he probably is a fan of drugs and is/did take them is uncalled for.

I can understand what he is trying to say and in a way he is right. I know I have tried to share my expereinces with people on the web and they have not been all that nice.

I can repeat myself time and again saying it is a reality you don't know and you have to just try to accept and believe things that are told even though they don't fit into the box. There are many that say they have this open mind but they really do not because they will still make a remark that deals with this reality.

In the beginning I was hurt but I have come through the years knowing that I know who I am and I really don't care anymore if I am not believed. I put it out there and that's all that's important.

Through time just about everything I have shared has come to light and people are patting themselves on the back and I just chuckle to myself for if one thing in your life you have to learn is people are greedy (not all though) and they will still anything in a heart beat if it builds there ego.

Humans will continue to do there thing and the Grey's will continue to do theres and from what I know the Grey's will NOT interfere unless we are about to destroy Earth.

"Interfere,"interesting word.

Originally posted by probedbygrays

I don't have proof, although I have convinced other people to just open their minds to contact and some of them have made contact. That's all I really am interested in. Helping people to grow up so they can communicate with the gods or beings around us.

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Do we seriously think that people are going to make up stuff like this knowing they are going to be mocked for life? If we think that then we are the delusional ones. People have more self respect than that I believe.

Probed, you must know that there are many reasons that people make stuff up online, and there is no reason to assume that all those people are willing to "be mocked for life." They can get attention anonymously for making stuff up online, and getting mocked on a message board isn't too scary.

Can I ask you a question? Do you believe all the contactee stories on ATS? Many of them must contradict your own beliefs directly.

Probed, don't get discouraged by some people leaving as you say.

There are two ways to make an exit, one with dignity, and one without- the funny part is, the classification lies in you. You should know by now the majority of people don't know the majority of what you talk about or any person in this field talks about. It's quite simple. When you're giving information, a small percentage is actually going to look at it with open eyes. A small percentage is going to attack you constantly. A large percentage is going to say "whatever". I do hope you understand when you discuss matters that are so advanced only a portion are going to understand.

If you want the whole world to understand, you'd be better off giving people a small solution and then snowballing it into bigger ones.

I'm not going to discount your experience. A 2-foot tall alien visiting me is going to have a hell of a time and is not leaving the room. For you, you didn't do anything and you get multiple contacts. I guess this explains why I've only been visited once that I am aware of and never since then.

It seems from my experience these beings don't visit if you are a threat, or will warp their coming to fit your goals and interests. I hope this stands out big time- you know how I feel about Greys probed.

Don't get discouraged, and please don't feel bad for those that are leaving- because you don't know why they are leaving and in what way they do. It could be either "boohoo I didn't make an impact" or "these people are stupid, moving on to better things".

p.s. No proof of aliens? Cmon probed... start telling your Greys they're stupid and need to change their strategy.

[edit on 11-1-2007 by jaguarmike]

The Internet is also a place where people can post anonymously and lie their butts off. You would have to be delusional or extremely gullible to believe anyone's tall-tale story on the Internet. There is nothing wrong with telling your story to other people who want to listen no matter how crazy it might sound, but you can't expect everyone to believe every alien story posted because some people are just lying for their own reasons. ATS gets hoax stories all the time.

[edit on 11-1-2007 by zerotime]

I find it odd in this day and age that not a single contactee has been able to covertly take a photo with a camera phone, etc. of one of these alien chats or visits to the Galactic senate, etc.

The earlier ones, I get that.... But now? when at any given moment there are voice recorders that fit in your pocket, cameras in phones, etc., it just seems really easy for a contactee to get a stealthy pic of an alien if they really wanted to (and were sincerely in such contact).

Hell, how about some decent drawings, specifics, or examples of knowledge hitherto unknown by humans? Don't hold your breath.....

I believe they are visiting, the evidence seems to support it, but I don't see a lot of evidence for such meet and greet sessions. There are some solid abductee cases, to be sure, but the majority seem contradictory, and too absurd to be believed. Perhaps one day the skeptics of such contacts will be proven wrong, but I'm not betting on it.

Probed
I know what you mean as i know someone who has links with people at stargate command. I firmly beleive in this and as you said the aliens use wormholes youself. But whenever i try to tell someone about it i get asked if im mad (and all the other phrases they seem to come out with). As there is a sci fi program called stargate i also get the phrase "its just a Tv show you know" and i usually get wierd looks like we all do when trying to say it. Yes im a firm believer of aleins and stargates but telling people almost destroys your credibiilty

Originally posted by probedbygrays
Even if I had a bunch of blurry photos and some garbled phone recordings, or a few scars and some anomalous implants, it still would not be proof that I have been contacted by alien beings.

Maybe not proof, but at least it would be measurable evidence. As of right now, you have no more credibility than I would if I said the Ninja Turtles visit me in the night.

Originally posted by skip_brilliantine
Probed, you must know that there are many reasons that people make stuff up online, and there is no reason to assume that all those people are willing to "be mocked for life." They can get attention anonymously for making stuff up online, and getting mocked on a message board isn't too scary.

Can I ask you a question? Do you believe all the contactee stories on ATS? Many of them must contradict your own beliefs directly.

I think most people have a certain amount of dignity and honestly want to be part of an open minded discussion forum and describe their own encounters or bizarre experiences that they or their friends may have had. I've lost count of how many times I've seen people join forums claiming that it's the best forum they have found and finally they can unload all the mysteries they have been living with, only to leave immediately after someone calls them an insane liar or something like that. people do have self respect and respect for other people, but they won't bide offensive behavior.

From my observance of the alien/ufo community I'd say the vast majority of people who receive some form of contact from the aliens are gentle and sensitive good natured and honest people. They are easily silenced by the loud aggressive mocking mob.

People unload heaps of abusive insults and then wait for their victims to respond and try to crawl out from under that load of dark matter they had dumped on them. Why should they even try? The web is a casual light hearted free zone where abuse need not be tolerated or responded to.

I'm sure there may be one or two people who make up lies for one reason or another, but why should we let them spoil everything for the millions of real contactees. That's like calling all ufo photos 'fakes' just because some people made up some fake photos of UFOs.

My stance is that most all people are genuine and honestly try to describe what happened to them. I have questioned the validity of certain peoples accounts at times, as I've noticed that sometimes people embellish their experiences to try and add weight to them. Like they will overlook the spiritual aspect of their experiences so that they can gain acceptance from the materialists who dismiss everything remotely spiritual or subtle.



[edit on 11-1-2007 by probedbygrays]

For the naysayers out there who believe contactees are delusional:

I've been abducted many times over the years and I have wondered if these visits were something that my own brain generated, even to the point of seeing a specialist to check me for epilepsy or MS. I had to see him anyway for possible damage resulting from working with a strong herbicide to clear some land of the overgrowth of mesquite trees. This exposure occurred just a few years ago though my visits started many years before.

These were very extensive tests and here are the findings: My brain is in exceptionally good working order, no chemical imbalances, no abnormalities. My motor movement healed from the exposure to the herbicide with time. And again, just recently an expert in this field with a solid background in interpreting tests offered to look at them for me and he found absolutely no cause for the brain to malfunction.

I recently was made aware that at times a totally normal person's brain will malfunction temporarily and the brain would produce all sorts of hallucinations that would seem very real. After reading this I doubted myself even though I had physical symptoms after the visits and had even visited my doctor for these. And also, my sister had an identical recall of a visit I had and also my husband was involved in one as well.

My sister before the experience was a definite skeptic and when the ufo subject came up in earlier conversations it was in the context of jokes for us (I had not confided in her about my contact, I definitely kept it to myself). After her identical experience she was insistent about its validity, and I’m talking about a well educated person who is highly respected by her peers in a very respected field. My concern was somehow, maybe ESP or something, somehow the “temporary delusion” had been shared with her.

Ditto for my husband, he has a Phd and was the ultimate skeptic until one of my experiences involved him too. Once again I wondered if the “temporary delusion” somehow was transferred via ESP or something.

So, I continued to study temporary malfunction experiences and my final take on it is this: I found that though temporary malfunctions seem very real the situations are often disjointed and often make no sense which is totally counter to the visits I have had. Even though my experiences were often separated by years the context of my experiences would match, the people would match, the information imparted to me made sense and also fit the context. So, I will stand by my experiences and by all the other experiencers out there because they just may be true; and btw who are you to judge?

I would like to know more about you naysayers: What is your education level? What do you do for a living? Have you ever visited a mental health professional? Do your friends and family think you should? Are you on drugs? Are you mentally anal? Obsessive compulsive? Everything must be wrapped up in a perfect little youtube package? Or, it must fit in with the latest video game scenario you are into? Do you insist on washing your hands 20 times a day? Do you get upset if your monitor isn’t just so? Your car has a speck of dust on it so you wash it continually? Do you have a car? Your pepperoni isn’t placed just right on the pizza which really bothers you?

I bet the majority of y’all are probably in the OC category which could be helpful in the search for proof, you know, going through endless youtubes, studying blurry photos, using google to zoom in on Dulce, but not for the understanding of the implications and the relationships between humans and them, that is where we come into the picture and admit it you couldn’t handle the truth face to face! (Has been overused lately but I couldn’t resist)

You should try to stretch your mind a little and meet us halfway ‘cause from what I’ve found so far the answer to all our questions will probably be somewhere in the middle with govt. involvement, ET contacts, and dimensional aspects. It seems to me that you have chosen to delve into the govt. involvement, that is fine, no problem with that, now will you let us delve into the others?

STM