Apologies for not answering sooner, I'd missed this one.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Sminkey, What insult, you have your views I have mine you called me ignorant yet you know site me for insulting you.
- I have referred to this view as ignorant, it was not a general description of yourself.
I have not contradicted myself I stated that the police do not do the job that they are paid to do, that is prevent/solve crime and protect the
British public, one does not need a police state to do either.
- You're just quibbling.
Clearly they are doing the job they are paid to do.
You might not like their effectiveness at it but they are doing it.
And subject matter expert please tell me where during the IRA years did we have armed police on the streets, identity cards, police video's of
peacful demonstrations etc. none terrorists charged under terrorist legislation. We did not have them during that time did we, so with all those
terrorist attacks we had no draconian legislation did we so why now.
- Er, we did actually.
In Northern Ireland we had all the Police routinely armed.
Armed Police were posted at British airports and ports.
We had 'security checks' on entering most town stores (ie frisking and bag checking, male and female by male and female 'security staff').
Our towns centres and shopping areas were sealed off at night-time with the roads in and out closed with a physically heavy & substantial, locked,
usually swinging steel gate type, barrier.
There was almost no town or city parking as concrete filled barrels (about 4 foot high) lined the road sides in almost all our towns as an
We had army and Police road check points dotted all over the province with random checks thrown up any time almost anywhere.
During various large-scale strikes in the 1980's restrictions on movement were applied in the rest of the UK.
Many people were simply barred under the 'Prevention of Terrorism Act' from travelling from Northern Ireland to the rest of the UK (effectively
living in 'internal exile' in the UK).
We had routine and general helicopter and aircraft surveillance.
We had routine filming of marches and peaceful demonstrations.....and so were things like 'Troops out' and some anti-Gov demos in the rest of the UK
as the 1980's wore on.
We had a driving licence with credit-card sized plastic card that carried a laser etched picture which was only valid for 10 years and so had to be
updated every 10 years so as to keep the photo up-to-date
(ie it was basically a photo ID card for the majority of the adult populace).
The UK got the first anti-terrorist legislation in 1974
(note from the link that since 1984 it began to take account of international terrorism and not just 'Irish terrorism')
which included several "draconian" measures.
We had trial without jury and the ever lengthening period of being held without formal charges introduced.
prevention of terrorism law link
We also now know that elements of the British Crown forces colluded with terrorists in the murder of other British civilians.
Police colluded with terrorist killers
As people would say over here - you don't know the half of it
But like I said, if you're going to talk about Northern Ireland then at least do it from a stand-point of knowing what actually went on here, cos
your description of it so far is very wide of the mark.
Nothing that has been suggested in the rest of the UK to date comes even close to this little lot (and that's not exactly it all either).
Its good the way you disregard the wrongdoing of the police as if its no problem, oh accidents happen etc.
- I don't deny any "wrong-doing" but neither am I going to try and make absurd claims that a few examples of this "wrong-doing" mean the entire
Police service is inept, corrupt or in any way 'fascist'.
I'm still waiting for an example of all the good the police do.
- I really don't think you are and if you really are then I suggest you open your eyes.
I dont pay my taxes to be told by the police what I can and cannot do in my own country, but its ok you will see the light one day.
- Well, you do actually, same as the rest of us.
We live in an agreed democratic society where our laws are intended to apply to all and the Police are there to try and enforce that.
And its just typical that those who dont want to hear the truth riddicule those who try to enlighten others, way to go expert.
- If you're going to come on shouting silly nonsense then expect to be challenged.
(that's not the same as being ridiculed.)
It doesn't take an 'expert' to do that.
As I've shown you obviously had little idea of what went on in a part of the UK for 30 or more years (and the bulk of that under 'direct rule')
during the troubles in Northern Ireland.
[edit on 3-2-2007 by sminkeypinkey]