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Is This The Smoking Gun??

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posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 03:53 PM
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There seems to be two types of unusual phenomena on the video. The ones that look like meteors that change direction I can't explain, but the discs with holes in the middle remind me of the translucent pictures of orbs captured during ghost hunting, which are most usually dust particles.

Here is an experiment. Take a coin, spin it on its side on a table and look at it from above. It looks very similar to the images on the video. There is a dark spot in the center, and the notch could be due to irregularites in a paint chip that has come off of the shuttle.




posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by sensfan
Actually, the info about it being out of focus points of light, be it dust, space debris, etc is correct. When you film a point of light and are way out of focus, the light will take on the shape of the iris within the camera. All these oval's with holes in the middle and a notch are doing just that.

Any time you see one of those lit up "diamond" ufo's with the top, or bottom tip of the diamond being brighter, it is the same thing.

No time to get links for you, am at work, but will dig some up later this evening.


The man in the videos gives perfect explaination as why what you are saying isn't correct. He gives an example with the keys and the trees. Both perfectly in focus. The out of focus theory is easily dispatched in the case of the ETVs around the tether.

1-video.google.com...
2-video.google.com...



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by sensfan

Originally posted by DigThat
What I don't get is why all the space debris all in all would pretty much look the same. How much space debris is there floating around? And why isnt any of this space debris visible on the regular camcordings of space flights, but just the ultra violet one used here?


Wasn't it filmed in "night vision" or low light mode? Not ultra violet. Dim articles, be they space debrie, dust, or ice particles would of course show up more readily in low light mode as opposed to normal "daylight" mode, no?


It was filmed in the LOW UV Band.
DoD had Infrared filming satellite but those didn't pick up anything.
The reason why they get picked up in LOW UV band is because they have way higher frequencies than regular light.

You would see any of these without the special camera BTW. Naked Eyes, nothing would be visible.



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Will To Power
There seems to be two types of unusual phenomena on the video. The ones that look like meteors that change direction I can't explain, but the discs with holes in the middle remind me of the translucent pictures of orbs captured during ghost hunting, which are most usually dust particles.

Here is an experiment. Take a coin, spin it on its side on a table and look at it from above. It looks very similar to the images on the video. There is a dark spot in the center, and the notch could be due to irregularites in a paint chip that has come off of the shuttle.



Dust and Ice don't pulsate...
I have the impression you guys didn't see the full 3 hours long video with the explaination from that young scientist?
Dust doesn't form vortex shaped energy like what we are seeing in those STS videos.



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 04:26 PM
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If you take my example of the spinning coin and apply it to a paint chip rotating in space catching the rays of the sun, it does in fact pulsate.



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 04:46 PM
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If you look closely at the footage, you can see that the ships are pulsating from inside out. The edges seems to remain intact. And if you look closely at the frame by frame pictures, you will see a vortex inside frame one, a pulsating effect on frame 2 and a reverse vortex in frame 3. That is what David is explaining.



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by jritzmann
Sesfan is absolutely correct. These are out of focus light points (as evidenced by the first video posted) that essentially over-excite the CCD of the cam and spread, therefore aquire the shape of the cam iris.

Mostly these video's get the attention of people who dont realize how CCDs and cam's record what they do. The image you see and the actual event have very little to do with eachother. Youre only getting the interpretation of what the cam and CCD is "seeing". When you understand that process, then you realize all these over-outfocused "shapes" dont mean a thing about "alien craft".
[edit on 11-1-2007 by jritzmann]


If you watched the full 3hrs video, you would understand what David is explaining, backed up with examples.



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by sensfan
Actually, the info about it being out of focus points of light, be it dust, space debris, etc is correct.


Im not 100% about that, i could be wrong, but i watched a video (the one where Dan ankroid say something in the beginning) They explain pretty thorough about the whole tether incident and explains how an object should look if it really is out of focus. Take a look if you have time. Its on google video.



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 08:35 PM
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Ah, I fall for this every time. SMOKING GUN!! Oh my, I was so excited when I clicked into this thread. Sadly, it's more of the same lens-bracket artifacts. Does anybody ever find it the LEAST BIT curious that these allegedly huge object are always oriented EXACTLY flat-surface-on with regard to whatever camera happens to take the picture?

Ever wonder? It's because they're LENS ARTIFACTS, and the lens knows where it is so the artifact is always that round shape and doesn't ever turn edge-on to fly away or at some other angle.

Wake me up when there's a real smoking gun. And please stop overusing that subject line. Please for the love of all that is good and holy.

[edit on 1/11/2007 by Sophismata]



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by mikesingh
This is interesting stuff! Two sets of photographs taken at different times, places, people and different cameras. But the UFO photographed is the same ‘model’ (For want of a better word!!).

So this can’t be a fluke, or dust on the lens, or water/ice droplets, or Venus, or the ubiquitous swamp gas!!

So what is it? I’d wager it’s an extra terrestrial UFO. And if it’s one, then all I can say is, WOW!!


NASA photograph


Photo taken by a lawyer

Photographs from article by
Dirk Vander Ploeg



During the 1996 space shuttle mission: STS-75, whose objective was to carry the Tethered Satellite System Reflight (TSR) into orbit, many photographs were taken as well as hours of video.

The craft videotaped by the lawyer looks amazingly similar to those captured by the cameras on the STS-75 mission. The NASA footage in the public domain allegedly shows anomalous, intelligently controlled craft filmed above the Earth. The crafts are moving around the enormous tether of the TSR system.


Notice the notches in the craft at the top and bottom and the octagonal area in its center.

More..

[edit on 11-1-2007 by mikesingh]


Does any one know where we can see this video?

The only video i have come across with resembles the Tether STS-75 like UFO's is this one, which was filmed in the UK.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by gtirlad

Does any one know where we can see this video?

The only video i have come across with resembles the Tether STS-75 like UFO's is this one, which was filmed in the UK.

www.youtube.com...


video.google.com...
video.google.com...



posted on Jan, 11 2007 @ 11:25 PM
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no i mean that 4 minute video of the ufo taken in Isreal by that lawyer



posted on Jan, 12 2007 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Freezer
Some make the point that the objects are out of focus, but during the video, they zoom out fully, and the objects don't change, like they would if they were close and blurred out. Some do go behind the tether making it hard to subscribe to that theory.

On another note, I dont believe the objects were 3 miles long, as the tether isn't a full 12 miles in length. When the tether breaks, it bunches up and compresses, meaning its not full extended. You can clearly see in the original footage that the tether is bunched up, as is characteristic of a wire that just snapped. Therfore the objects are less than 3 miles wide. I still don't believe that they are ice particles though, like NASA says. Upon closer review, I noticed one of the objects, heading towards another object, and does a quick turn and goes around the object it was going to hit. Its really hard to find this instance of when it happens, but I watched it over and over, and it was clear that this object maneuvered in order to not collide with this other object.


There is no blurring effect on the type of cameras used by STS missions, they are not optical cameras from what i understand from the video. The hairy effect is something completely different where all objects in view would become blurry, not only one specific one.

Someone correct me if i'm off track here please, but that's how i understood David's presentation...



posted on Jan, 12 2007 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by gtirlad
no i mean that 4 minute video of the ufo taken in Isreal by that lawyer


Ahh sorry, i don't recall that one. Link it?



posted on Jan, 12 2007 @ 05:36 PM
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the same shape I saw as a child in the only "ufo" sighting I've had.



posted on Jan, 12 2007 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by k3il
the same shape I saw as a child in the only "ufo" sighting I've had.

That's awesome!

What date? How old were you?
Night or daytime?
Distance to you and size?



posted on Jan, 12 2007 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by tock

It was filmed in the LOW UV Band.
DoD had Infrared filming satellite but those didn't pick up anything.
The reason why they get picked up in LOW UV band is because they have way higher frequencies than regular light.

You would see any of these without the special camera BTW. Naked Eyes, nothing would be visible.


Exactly! The million dollar question is, if this was 'debris', then why wasn't it visible to the naked eye?

Why were these objects picked up only in the low UV Band?? Does debris change characteristics in space and become visible only in the UV Band? Preposterous to say the least!

And debris that pulsates??

So, obviously, there's something more than meets the eye!! Let's face it. These were objects of alien origin. So what's the big deal? I thought the universe was teeming with advanced civilizations, some probably millions of years ahead of us!

Open your mind guys. The truth is out there!!


[edit on 12-1-2007 by mikesingh]



posted on Jan, 12 2007 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by gtirlad
no i mean that 4 minute video of the ufo taken in Isreal by that lawyer


Sorry gtirlad, that vid taken by the lawyer is no longer available. It was here sometime ago. However, some of the stills taken from the vid are shown in the link in the opening post of this thread.

But you can have a look-see at this vid here.... It shows a similar pulsating UFO with those peculiar 'notches'. But dunno if this is a hoax!!


[edit on 12-1-2007 by mikesingh]



posted on Jan, 13 2007 @ 09:05 AM
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Errrr. Guys I don't really know how to put this but this is pretty far from a smoking gun for me for the following reason:

These shapes never seem to change angle in relation to the camera. It is like they are two dimensional objects.

If they really were craft flying about you would expect different angles of observation. I agknowledge that they are very abnormal, but the angles just dont add up. If you watch the tether video, they look like moving light artifacts. Not to say they are, but something just doesn't seem right about these images.

In all honesty they look like they have been edited into the picture rather than anything else. They are too uniform, they always appear as near perfectly circular. You could say they were globes, but the notches in the edges make this incredibly unlikey.

All in my opinion but something to consider.

I am not of the opinion that they are quite so easily identified as unidentified if you catch my drift.

Have a very close look you will see what I mean.

They really do look like strange light artefacts. While they do pass 'behind' the tether, you must remember how large the tether actually is. The effect of the thickness is caused by an electrical charge from my understanding. You would really need to know the exact type and individual camera used and compare it to the same varieties that are in space to say anything.

I just have this nagging feeling that something wasn't right with them, even though I was impressed at first glance. It really does look to me as though they are some sort of strange light artefacts distorted somehow by the tether, or edited in for some unknown reason.

Not my smoking gun, but then again I don't really need one.

Hadro.



posted on Jan, 13 2007 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by seenitall
Errrr. Guys I don't really know how to put this but this is pretty far from a smoking gun for me for the following reason:

These shapes never seem to change angle in relation to the camera. It is like they are two dimensional objects.

If they really were craft flying about you would expect different angles of observation. I agknowledge that they are very abnormal, but the angles just dont add up. If you watch the tether video, they look like moving light artifacts. Not to say they are, but something just doesn't seem right about these images.

In all honesty they look like they have been edited into the picture rather than anything else. They are too uniform, they always appear as near perfectly circular. You could say they were globes, but the notches in the edges make this incredibly unlikey.

All in my opinion but something to consider.

I am not of the opinion that they are quite so easily identified as unidentified if you catch my drift.

Have a very close look you will see what I mean.

They really do look like strange light artefacts. While they do pass 'behind' the tether, you must remember how large the tether actually is. The effect of the thickness is caused by an electrical charge from my understanding. You would really need to know the exact type and individual camera used and compare it to the same varieties that are in space to say anything.

I just have this nagging feeling that something wasn't right with them, even though I was impressed at first glance. It really does look to me as though they are some sort of strange light artefacts distorted somehow by the tether, or edited in for some unknown reason.

Not my smoking gun, but then again I don't really need one.

Hadro.


That's a valid point... Could it be possible that they forced their craft to be perpendicular to the shuttle just to be more visible, just as in " HEY look at us?"

What other explanation could there be?

What does a semi-transparent blob(sphere) looks like from any angle?

[edit on 13-1-2007 by tock]




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