U.S. Colonies on Moon,Mars,Venus+Aliens+911,Divided by NWO=Behold A Pale Horse Video by Bill Cooper

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Do you think that the NWO types would build a prison camp, with furnaces and the like and then leave it unmaned with no guards and allow people with crappy video cameras to stroll around taking pictures?


Right.

With an attitude like that, what makes you think they would have to worry?

Pharaoh, thanks for the video link, this definitely needs to reach more people.

Again thank you for your support and "time" in watching the movie, I know the movie is long, but for those who have not watched it it can be saved and watched in segments, plus once you start watching it you will want to watch the whole thing because it is so amazing. Again thanks and spread the word.

Here's yet another great video I just came across in support of the overwelming evidence which explains what is really going on here's the link to the post which has the video link : www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is a Fema camp in Texas that houses women, children, and men, whole families.

scroll to the bottom of the link page to view the video.

Video Link : mrspickles.wordpress.com...

OK. Since I was quoted so often I will clarify my views.. as my views are very complex in that I try and take everything with rationality and do not wish to fear all that stands before me.

As a response to this video. This video. Not the question of "do we have camps" < because that is a fact, we do.

This is not one of them. How do I know? Because the real camps are maintained by personel, armed guards, usually they will have towers.

This may look like one but I see no official markings, I see no sign of activity leading to some suspicious acts, I see no sign of anything that would trouble my morals. I see a train yard honestly.

Now... to the question of the NWO .. which is a .. complex issue in it's self let alone to try and guess what the NWO is, what it will do, who controls it, who finances it, and of course most importantly.. it's goals.

There are infact concentration camps within the United States, they are maintained by our government under a program you all know Rex-86 (which If you know latin you will find odd as it means "the royal 86") - Rex - 86 is a plan to stop the American public in the case of civil disorder on a massive scale. Martial Law.

Now. Why would our fair government need to imprision our populace in the event of some travisty in which we go nuts?

Katrina. Perfect example. Thugs shooting at helicopters, looting stores, killing, robbing, beating, attacking police, wasteing police resources that could other wise be used for better causes, like saving lives. The plan is in the event of a melt down of society (on a large scale over several states .. biological or nuclear attack would be the most likely causes, or economic crash of the upmost sevarity.)

The plan calls for issolating people. The troops (national guard) and FEMA along with local law enforcement then go do what needs to be done, the people in the camps wait it out. When all is put back in order the people are released slowly and escorted to their designated locations.. this prevents mob mentality.

The plan is actually genuis if used in this manor.. the cordination it would take is impossible though. the entire system would collapes within days .. that is if it is ever even implimented.. it is alot harder then it sounds.. We all know FEMA is the least organized of the Government agencies..

That is the plan. Now, can you take a plan and rape it untill it appears it is another and actually use the original plan for it's purpose while having a .. seceret.. purpose? Oh yeah.. biological attacks or nuclear and the people are put in the camps and the government changes hands to someone of a dictator nature.. that is of course possible. Any thing is possible. Likely? No. The people have to be let out at some point.. you cannot be king of a state if your state has no people.. for all the state is, is people.. the people make you or break you. Fear can be used to make them submissive.. all dictators fear the ones they hurt.. because they know if one man with enough courage questions him an outbreak like wildfire will dethrown him, and often in the past end with his head.

For the NWO .. The idea of a New World Order in the sense of one government is impossible. Literally impossible. It would be a state of consistant civil war. The natural tendancy of man is to put your faith in those like you and near you. Not unlike you and far, far away. Again... Empires do not stand with a people that are not united for the cause of the empire.. If the empire conquers the world it has no one to fear from the outside and it turns to the inside.. and people are never united when all they have is to fear their neighbor.. the atrocities and the crimes that would be commited would make it a very short lived world order wouldn't it?

Who would the NWO be exactly? Bankers? They already own you. I know I cannot go march in the streets.. I have to be at work.. I have loans, credit cards.. school.. rent..... food..... god does that list go on. Bankers got me tied down. The own the system. The always have since the Templars perfected the banking system.

Is it the Masons? .. Please. Honestly if you think that Masons have the ability to control the world.. you do not know Masonry. I am not going to preach about Masonry but know that there are few members compared to the glory days of Masonry.. they are working on getting numbers up, but do not join thinking you will get a stake in the plunder of the planet.. you might get to wash dishes at the next sphegetti dinner.. it's funner then it sounds.

Is it ... corporations? Well .. ever since money was created the money controled those who make the laws. If the level of your status in the old days was how many slaves you owned or how much land you owned, now it would be how many pet congressional figures you have in your pocket. Money has, and always will be the greatest evil of our society, and all societies. Money inspires greed.. money will buy you anything you want if you have the cash.. the possibilities to raise your self to the next level.. money makes doing bad things just so much easier. Palosi is a perfect example.. we elect Democrats because we don't like corupt Republicans .. she passes a bill for the raising of the minum wage.. she excluded American Somoa .. why? A fishing company paid her off .. the wage there is $3 something an hour. All Humans are inheritantly corrupt.. it is not becoming corrupt that is astonishing, it would be to become uncorrupt, to purify your self as much as possible from the influences of that which makes you do actions that would otherwise be considered against your morals.

So who does that leave?

Oh yeah...

Man.

Or.. a Man.

Which man?

Any man...

All the greatest empires where created by men (or women) with a taste for all thing grander. Rome was not a conspiracy.. nor is America, but we will use Rome. Rome was added bit by bit from generations on. the most expansive spreading of Roman influence was under the reign of Ceasar and Rome was that size because Ceaser had an ambition to conquer the known world. Once he died and the following generations followed his path.. it was not so much expansion and conquering.. they where rich.. they did not need glory to gain power, to become Emporer.. the Empire fell from within by corruption. (America is modern Rome) Or Greece, Alexander because of his own ambition conquered the known world then.. it fell after his death. Empires generally have a climax.. it rises.. most often or not threw a time period of pain and suffering.. (For Rome it was military defeats.. political unrest.. corruption, for America it was the Civil War.. a rise then a fall, the Depression.. solution was WW2) At the Climax of the civilization (Post WW2 for the US) you begin a steady decline.. in which the empire will eventually collapse internally (if a world power.. like say the USSR) and is reborn under a new disguise. For the Brits .. you have a 2,000 year old civilization.. but you are not the same country any more.. you have been several different countries .. but the same civilization.

The point is.. there can never be a NWO .. no matter what technologies and fancy gadgets we have.. there is to much pride within Humans to all be equal.. it is against our nature as territorial beings. The NWO I think (my personal opinion of course) is globalization. I hate it. You probably hate it. It is handing over our government to the corporations. Not exactly uniting any one state... but breaking down nationality and national restrictions on the creation of wealth it's self. American Corporations may go produce overseas .. but they do it to bring the money home. For themselves of course. As a quote on the last page said.. Bush could use the war to spread the NWO .. a new way of doing business.. take over territories for financial gain. Which we have done rather well now. It is a mask to hide the real internal problems.. when the war ends what drives our economy?

Mass detention of southern California Muslems and Iranian Jews.





Here's the link :
ww4report.com...

It's very discouraging to see these things happening.

Thanks to our current congress, that's just that.

It's time to get something done, people.

Very discouraging to hear this news about the detention camps, I also heard that it is now illegal to criticize congress here's the link :

prisonplanet.com...

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You have voted Rockpuck for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Excellent points Rockpuck! I often get caught up in the whole conspiracy mind-set but at least I do try my best to observe both sides objectively.

It's very easy to fall for conspiracy theories because they are usually a lot sexier than real life.

So, just as you shouldn't take the official word just because CNN reports it, you shouldn't simply accept a CT without stepping back and thinking if it is even logically possible. Typically the truth is much simpler than some complex CT.

Anyway I'm not saying that none of this isn't possible. You've made some very good points that should be looked at equally as objectively as the CT presented here. Thanks.

For me, the NWO conspiracy doesn't work because, simply... why enslave us? Like Rockpuck said, they already have us... the bankers, corporations. They already have money, power, etc. and are aquiring more every day. What else is left to take?

We empower them. Without us they lose their source of all that money and power. Sure, they could enslave us. But why when this system works pretty darn well for them already? IMO forcing us into camps doesn't give them anything more than what they have already.

Right.. I will assume that we are now going to continue on this thread through ignorance and partisian websites instead of reason.

I walked out side and expressed my displeasure with congress.. and an FBI agent jumped from behind the bushes and tackled me!



Let me put it this way.. it might help..

Our rights are being coroded .. that is a fact.

It is also a fact that since the very day our founding fathers signed the constitution.. it has been coroding..

It is also a fact that our rights where purest only when in the minds of those who thought them.. though once on paper the ideology proved harder to do then to think.. it is so much harder to resist the temptations of power when the people literally give it to you.. then when you are thinking of all the good you could do before they choose you.

To understand a real dictatorship however.. you need to go to one. I suggest go to China. China is a capitalistic dictatorship.. the most succesful of it's kind in the world.. you will find people there are treated like peasants .. which most are anyways.. unlike America.. where you can still make something of your self..

Or go to Sudan.. Kazahkistan.. Saudi Arabia.. North Korea.. there are to many dictoral states to mention.. you will find.. if you unrestrain your mind.. stop seeing it from your narrow ways.. that we are still the most free peoples of the world. More free then Britain.. More free then the French.. more free then the Germans.. that does not mean we should not protect what we have.. but to think that we are on the brink of complete collapse or that we are already.. enslaved.. is childish if you cannot come up with the prood. Alex Jones is not proof. Wikipedia is not proof. Biased websites are not proof either.

Mecheng:

We empower them. Without us they lose their source of all that money and power. Sure, they could enslave us. But why when this system works pretty darn well for them already? IMO forcing us into camps doesn't give them anything more than what they have already.

First off, thanks for the vote I appreciate it.

We empower them

Secondly ... EXACTLY!

That is the whole point. Why did communism fail? Because the system was run so that everyone was in complete poverty.. but what they found out was that 1. quality was poor. 2. money was scarce .. just because you don't use a strongly backed system of cash doesn't mean the nations you deal with will accept that.. you need to be worth something..

If there is no one to buy your pair of shoes.. you don't sell them. You can make your shoes.. but youll run your self into the ground. You can be a millionair and if every single person boycotted and dumped your stocks.. your living in the back of your car behind a shady motel.

Who controls the government? Money. Who has most of the money? Big shot corporate guys. Why on earth would the big shots say "I think we should enslave the human race!" .. what are they worth then? .. nothing. See? Doesn't make sense at all.

And I agree with you that conspiracy theories are mesmorising.. so astonishing .. when you first get into it you can be shakeing in your shoes afraid the end is near.. packing up your basement with survival goods.. buying up ammunition.. believing that there is a conspiracy so profound that the very nature of it is impossible to grasp.. When you first get into it you almost wish it where true.. that you knew about it before it happend.. that you where prepared .. buuut.. things are ALWAYS more bland then they appear.. the real world is thankfully not a science fiction novel.. the world has been, is and always will be run the way it is.. that doesn't mean your rights are not going out the window.. it means that men are not meeting in dark corridors plotting to throw you in train cars. They can do that in House meetings.

That they might take only a selected few to the "FEMA GAS CHAMBER PRISON CONCENTRATION EXTERMINATION CAMPS" only who might they be for? There is the possibility that they are for a certain race of people who knows for sure, however there are quite a few on military bases, and they are more "CONCENTRATED" in the south like in areas of Mississippi. also there are three new ones they just recently built which can hold
"1 MILLION" people each, what does this tell us?
Here's a link to there locations :

www.mindfully.org...

Could they be preparing us for terrorist attacks like the ones we saw on the Fox T.V. show "24" that we watched last Sunday and Monday, could they be planning Martial Law? And have we actually read the Patriot Act?

You see it's all connected, it's not just one issue, but many issues, like selling our highway to other nations so we can be taxed? What's this all about? What about these Women and Girls getting kidnapped by this DYNCORP a U.S. corporation that produces smallpox vaccinations?
Here's the link :

www.propagandamatrix.com...

We could go on and on, but the facts are, that things don't add up, so we need to go back and examine all the issues, starting with the most convincing issue first, however that maybe difficult since there are so many, with me it was the "Controlled Demo" of the Twin Towers, so if you use this as a starting issue and work backwards from today all the way back the the JFK assination I believe we can put it all together and form a opinion on the likelyhood of this happening, (Note: I believe there is evidence that the Secret Service driver of the car shot him.) So lets go ahead and just for starters we can just starting listing everything which is questionable (Key Issues) then form our own opinions about them, then debate each persons analogy, you guys can start your rebuttal to what I've listed above, then we will go from there.


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Originally posted by PHARAOH1133
only who might they be for? there is the possibility that they are for a certain race of people who know for sure

Take a look at this...

The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks, the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to martial law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency.
source

I wonder.................................. *scratches chin*

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Of the JFK assasination

Video Link : video.google.com...

Here one of Jonhson's Mistresses explaining how they all planned it.

Here's that video Link : www.informationliberation.com...

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Showing the driver shotting JFK, when I locate it I will post it here.

This link to a website with the movie showing the gun and the smoke coming from the secret service limo driver :

Here's the Video Link : community-2.webtv.net...

Check it out and you can plainly see the gun and his arm.

Also interesting note on the above link which state Governer Connely had a angle strapped gun and returned fire on Greer, and hit the windshield which was replaced
Here's the The Video showing Greer : video.google.com...

JFK II
Video Link : video.google.com...


THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK JR.
PART 1: video.google.com...

PART 2: video.google.com...

PART 3: video.google.com...

PART 4: video.google.com...

These are very good videos which should be viewed by everyone concerned.

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What does JFK have to do with the discussion?

Why do you not challenge opponents and ignore them them entirely?

Do you wish a discussion or would your rather preach and allow recognize those who preach like you?