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reply posted on 15-1-2007 @ 11:12 PM by ben91069
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Many of you have stated that it may be methane and some say a disruption of the magnetic field. I personally believe it is related to a combination
of the two.
The gas releases may have asphyxiated the birds, but the reason for the gas releases may just be disruptions of the magnetic field.
Here is what I have seen a couple times now in the last few days, this news article about flock of birds showing up at a grave yard in San Rafael and
putting on spectacular shows a twisting turning flock. This first came to my attention on the National News last night, but looked up this article
for everyone elses benefit.
Strange flocks of birds
Thousands of birds have taken up residence at a North San Rafael graveyard along Highway 101, putting on spectacular cloud-like displays that have
been drawing onlookers for weeks.
"One gentleman was worried there had been a change in the magnetic field of the Earth," she said. "Mostly people É are just wondering what's
going on."
Marin Independent Journal
I have seen these flocks before maybe once in my lifetime, but I noticed for the very first time back in November this exact same phenomenon near
where I work while on break. I sit outside on break every day for the last year and never saw the huge flocks of birds do this before until then.
(The normally just sit on the perch of the High Voltage transmission lines), but now they have performed this same swarm, all right around the power
lines. Today they did the same thing, yet for the last year I never saw them doing it before and they are usually there every other day.
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reply posted on 16-1-2007 @ 08:24 AM by alphabetaone
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Originally posted by Sri Oracle
The process you describe is called "isostasy" or isostatic rebound, and is a very real element of techtonic theory.
Sri Oracle
Thank you Oracle, I wasn't aware of that.
I still believe environmentally speaking, that things are culminating to a breaking point. While conservation efforts are admirable, I think we are
beyond a point where any human influence can affect a reversal.
AB1
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reply posted on 16-1-2007 @ 08:33 AM by acctnosam
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I think it may have to do with a new device called HAARP. It involves radio waves or something, something like a billion waves all focused into the
air. Look it up on google vidoe. Called "Haarp"
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reply posted on 16-1-2007 @ 09:35 AM by angryamerican
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The bird display is something I have seen all my life. Sorry folks its nothing new.  . I watch it in my area every spring and fall. Alot of us
will pull into a car dealers and watch these guys year after year. The car dealer doesnt mind infact he has sold several cars to us bird watchers.
It may be new in that area but its as old as the birds.
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reply posted on 17-1-2007 @ 08:28 AM by loam
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UPDATE
More dead birds found in WA
ANOTHER 200 dead birds have been found in WA, taking the total number to die in mysterious circumstances in the state to 4000.
Department of Environment and Conservation (DEC) nature protection branch acting manager Paul Connolly said today his department had received a new
report of at least 200 dead swallows in Narembeen, about 240km east of Perth and 380km from Esperance.
More...
It continues...
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reply posted on 17-1-2007 @ 09:52 AM by angryamerican
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hmm has anybody heard any thing about Yellow stone national park. Is the buldge still rising?
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reply posted on 17-1-2007 @ 01:36 PM by Ptolomeo
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Yes, according to Yellowstone Volcano Observatory, it is still uprising.
Ground Deformation Summary: Through December 2006, continuous GPS data show that most of the Yellowstone caldera continued moving upward at similar to
slightly lower rates as the past year. The maximum measured ground uplift over the past 29 months is ~13 cm at the White Lake GPS station. An example
can be found at: www.mines.utah.edu...
The general uplift of the Yellowstone caldera is scientifically interesting and will continue to be monitored closely by YVO staff.
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reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 01:10 PM by Ptolomeo
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What about the results of the tests carried out to the Australian dead birds?
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reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 02:12 PM by Regenmacher
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Denver is now reporting the deaths of 200 ducks, which makes me wonder how many dead birds go unreported. Also reminds me of the saying: if see one
cockroach in the house, then that means there's over 100 behind the wall.
 Dead ducks a mystery to officials Denver Post
Ducks are dying at the Metro Wastewater treatment facility in Denver and officials want to know why.
Over the past two weeks 200 ducks have been found dead in the treatment plant's chlorine contact basin and wastewater officials have summoned the
help of the Colorado Division of Wildlife and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to help figure out what's happening. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Que the spooky wierdo music...too many dead birds to not be an omen for a
bigger event. What that exactly is, is the big question.
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reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 02:16 PM by mensmentis
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I haven't found anything that says they know for sure yet. Per a news article originally posted previously in this thread (on page 5 by Wolfpack 51)
they're having problems getting good specimens to test:
“Whatever is causing the deaths is not giving us very much indication at all,” Mr Fitzgerald said. He said despite the thousands of carcasses,
specimens suitable for autopsy were rare because the birds’ internal organs decayed soon after death.
Also - apparently there's a new set of deaths in Australia - More bird deaths reported in
WA
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reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 02:36 PM by Ptolomeo
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I wonder if they are keeping the information for themselves and are thinking on something to say... Or just waiting that time goes by and people
forget it...
The event has been really strange. So many birds dying...
BTW, thank you for your answers to my question. Will keep you informed if I find something.
I still think it is related with the magnetic field...
Let´s hope it is something isolated...
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reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 02:41 PM by soficrow
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Originally posted by mensmentis
I haven't found anything that says they know for sure yet. Per a news article originally posted previously in this thread (on page 5 by Wolfpack 51)
they're having problems getting good specimens to test:
“Whatever is causing the deaths is not giving us very much indication at all,” Mr Fitzgerald said. He said despite the thousands of carcasses,
specimens suitable for autopsy were rare because the birds’ internal organs decayed soon after death.
If the birds’ internal organs decayed soon after death, we're looking at something virulently serious.
FYI - even garden variety H5N1 destroys internal organs. ...And a cytokine storm affecting organs would rapidly destroy said organs...
H5N1 attacks other organs, says Chow
The deadly H5N1 virus does not only attack the lungs but other organs of human beings, the health chief said Wednesday, adding diverse treatments are
needed.
"According to experts' analysis, some recent human cases have involved not only infection of the respiratory tract, but other organs are being
destroyed as well," Chow said after a business lunch.
If it is true that the virus may not only infect the lung, Chow said, then the sole dependence on inhalable forms of antiviral drugs such as Relenza
that are used to treat both influenza A and B will not treat the disease effectively.
***
CDC: In mammalian experimental models, H5N1 influenza is a disseminated disease.
However, limited previous data from human autopsies have not shown evidence of virus dissemination beyond the lung. We investigated a patient with
fatal H5N1 influenza. Viral RNA was detected by reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction in lung, intestine, and spleen tissues, but
positive-stranded viral RNA indicating virus replication was confined to the lung and intestine.
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WHO: ...findings indicate that H5N1 infection affects more body organs and systems
than normal influenza, where respiratory symptoms are dominant. Also, unlike normal influenza, death in the six fatal cases occurred as a result
of the primary viral infection rather than a secondary infection caused by bacteria.
***
Nature: Bird flu's bodily harm revealed - Cat study ...
Cat study shows the H5N1 virus attacking gut and other organs. ... The team find
that H5N1 can be excreted in cat faeces as well as from the lungs. ...
There is much more, but I haven't the time right now...
ED to add:
CDC:
In July 2005, domestic poultry began to die in the village of Suzdalka in western Siberia, Russia (Dovolnoe County, Novosibirsk region).
Autopsies showed serious alterations in all internal organs tested. Approximately
95%–100% of the lungs were affected, and all serous membranes showed petechial and confluent hemorrhages. The highest concentration of hemorrhages
was in the pericardium.
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reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 03:28 PM by mensmentis
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Yes - the organ decay is what caught my eye. First thought that came to mind was a bird sort of ebola. H5N1 generally doesn't have severe symptoms in
wild birds.
Influenza A/H5N1 is "highly pathogenic", causing a severe disease with virtually 100% mortality in domestic poultry. The disease can be carried
without symptoms in wild birds.
So I wonder if it is another kind of flu or perhaps a mutated form of H5N1 - found this on the WHO website:
First identified in Italy in 1878, highly pathogenic avian influenza is characterized by sudden onset of severe disease, rapid contagion, and a
mortality rate that can approach 100% within 48 hours. In this form of the disease, the virus not only affects the respiratory tract, as in the mild
form, but also invades multiple organs and tissues. The resulting massive internal haemorrhaging has earned it the lay name of “chicken
Ebola”.
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reply posted on 21-1-2007 @ 09:52 PM by soficrow
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Originally posted by mensmentis
Yes - the organ decay is what caught my eye. First thought that came to mind was a bird sort of ebola. H5N1 generally doesn't have severe symptoms in
wild birds.
Influenza A/H5N1 is "highly pathogenic", causing a severe disease with virtually 100% mortality in domestic poultry. The disease can be carried
without symptoms in wild birds.
Some domestic and wild birds are asymptomatic carriers. ...Depends on a variety of factors, including the virus clade and victim species.
So I wonder if it is another kind of flu or perhaps a mutated form of H5N1 - found this on the WHO website:
First identified in Italy in 1878, highly pathogenic avian influenza is characterized by sudden onset of severe disease, rapid contagion, and a
mortality rate that can approach 100% within 48 hours. In this form of the disease, the virus not only affects the respiratory tract, as in the mild
form, but also invades multiple organs and tissues. The resulting massive internal haemorrhaging has earned it the lay name of “chicken
Ebola”.
I came online intending to post a similar quote from the US info site:
January 2006. The World Health Organization (WHO) ...document summarizes the course of bird flu in its two-year spread across Eurasia.
In poultry, the viruses cause two distinctly different forms of disease - one common and mild, the other rare and highly lethal. In the mild
form, signs of illness may be expressed only as ...mild effects on the respiratory system. Outbreaks can be so mild they escape detection unless
regular testing for viruses is in place. ...highly pathogenic avian influenza is characterized by sudden onset of severe disease, rapid contagion,
and a mortality rate that can approach 100% within 48 hours. In this form of the disease, the virus not only affects the respiratory tract, as in the
mild form, but also invades multiple organs and tissues. The resulting massive
internal haemorrhaging has earned it the lay name of “chicken Ebola”.
Flu viruses constantly mutate - but H5N1 is known to mimic hemorrhagic fevers in poultry, wild birds, mammals and humans.
The "organ decay" described above sounds like classic high-path H5N1 bird flu, possibly transmitted via ingestion rather than respiratory.
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reply posted on 22-1-2007 @ 12:49 AM by fooffstarr
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So for those Australians, and others around the world, like me that have no idea of this technical stuff... is there anything we should be worrying
about?
A health risk? Imminent natural disaster?
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reply posted on 22-1-2007 @ 01:23 AM by Regenmacher
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Bird deaths baffle experts The Australisn
In some areas, entire populations of wattle birds, honeyeaters and miners have disappeared. Autopsies have ruled out bacterial or viral
infections as the cause of the deaths. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Looks like they ruled out bird flu, so what's the chance that these birds died from EM radiation?
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reply posted on 22-1-2007 @ 05:26 PM by Bangin
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Not sure if it's been mentioned..but the bird deaths in Austin, TX on January 8, 2007 are being blamed on parasites and a drop in temperature.
Related thread: Bird Deaths - Austin, TX
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reply posted on 22-1-2007 @ 06:43 PM by mensmentis
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
Looks like they ruled out bird flu, so what's the chance that these birds died from EM radiation?
I'm not sure about that - some stories I read say that they have ruled it out as you indicated. Others say otherwise - see below initial report and
the lastest one from Thursday's Australian news:
Wednesday, January 10, 2007. 3:18pm (AEDT)
Toxin blamed for 5,000 bird deaths in Esperance
A mystery toxin is believed to be responsible for killing an estimated 5,000 birds in Western Australia's Esperance region.
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The Department says autopsy results point towards a toxin rather than bacterial virus. Mr Fitzgerald says both natural and man-made toxic causes are
being investigated.
Australia : WA : Kalgoorlie
Thursday, 18 January 2007. 10:34 (AWDT)
Residents urged to contact DEC over dead bird discoveries
People who come across large numbers of dead birds are being urged to contact the Department of Environment and Conservation (DEC) as soon as
possible. DEC scientists are still trying to work out what has caused the deaths of up to 4,000 birds around Esperance in recent weeks.
They are also investigating the deaths of 200 swallows at Narembeen earlier this month. Paul Connolly from the DEC's nature protection branch says
clusters of dead birds should be reported immediately so tests can be done to determine the cause of death. Mr Connolly says the DEC was unable to
get a sample suitable for testing from the Narembeen birds because it was not notified in time. "The resident there had to go on holidays and was
disposing of the carcasses soon after their deaths down at the local tip," he said. "So by the time we got involved the carcasses were well and
truly starting to decompose."
I think they still don't know for sure...
They also indicated in the earlier article ( Autospy May Solve Bird
Deaths) that they had a live (but dying) specimen and were hoping to get more conclusive tests from that. I haven't seen anything on those
results. Seems like they should have them any day now...
Regarding Regenmacher's question about EM radiation possibly being the cause - I don't know enough about EM radiation to know. I guess I need to do
some reading...
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reply posted on 25-1-2007 @ 01:41 PM by soficrow
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Here's another case - not sure where to post it:
[url=http://www.thanhniennews.com/healthy/?catid=8&newsid=24647]Birds die en masse in Vietnam, bird flu excluded
Forty-nine birds died under mysterious circumstances over the past ten days on roofs, yards and streets in Ho Chi Minh City, but tests proved the
birds were H5N1 negative.
Go Vap, Binh Thanh and Phu Nhuan districts in the city’s northwest were the scene of the mass of avian victims.
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reply posted on 29-1-2007 @ 10:33 PM by bluehaze
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OK has West Nile virus been ruled out?
I was trying to find an old story on Ft. Detrick. Years back they had two incidents of hundreds of birds dying. After 2 years and much wrangling the
official reason given: "The birds died of exhaustion"! Sounds like something from a Monty Python sketch.
The only other time I heard of massive birds dying was from original microwave testing done by Westinghouse from a ship. As a joke they pointed the
signal at a huge flock of birds flying by and they all dropped from the sky.
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