Originally posted by Thodeph

Russia maybe.

On the other hand, while I take the Disclosure Project as pure truth, I think Steven Greer sometimes embellishes his message with a positive undertone (cfr. working over-unity machine).

Have you read Hidden? Even though Dr Greer didn't put forth his dreams regarding the destruction of the US as iminent, he sure painted a bleak picture of the future, if we keep going the way we are going.

I could see that Russia probably has enough info to disclose something, but am not sure that the country is stable enough for it.

Whatever country is courageous enough to do this thing, that country is going to lead us into the realizing of the cosmic age. I think it's completely selfish and evil that the US won't to do it.

wow hes really camp eh?

disclosure project had a few good testimonies unfortunately he trashed it by including a load of cranks, legit witnesses have completely cut ties with the project due to greer constatntly "over-reaching" the evidence.

i only watched an hour of the latest video but its quite sad what lengths people will go to- to make money.

btw someone should tell him its the G8 not G7 lol I had a good laugh at greer trying to explain the "physics" in his story. Looks like he's stolen a bit of string theory + made up some other stuff. what a joke

[edit on 8-3-2007 by yeti101]

Originally posted by c3hamby
Whatever country is courageous enough to do this thing, that country is going to lead us into the realizing of the cosmic age. I think it's completely selfish and evil that the US won't to do it.

The US do want to lead Earth into the cosmic age, I believe.

Unfortunately, they'll do it the wrong way: not by bilateral agreement, but by the same tactic as they lead us into the war on terror (false terror).

The current US administration is so scared other countries wouldn't accept their war with extraterrestrials, that they feel compelled to present the latter as evil invaders.

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
You want open hearings? I'll give you open hearings, in fact, within 24 hours I'll have them for you.

Just pop down some factual documents, some wreckage debris from alien craft, an alien body or two, and I'll have you on the front page of every paper worldwide.

The reason this has not happened is because there is no "hard core tangible proof" to be shown. If in fact he is telling the truth when he was asked, "Are aliens from here, from there, do they time travel, from other worlds, yada yada" and he responded "Yes to all of the above", then how would you expect to be able to present any proof? If aliens can pop in and out of our reality, time travel, come into our minds, and now theres a 5th dimension added to the mix, do you really think they are going to allow people to have actual proof of their existance? Think Back to the Future, but on 11.

I've had two UFO experiences myself, and have had close family members and close friends experience the UFO, car dying, white light etc experiences. I'm starting to beleive that what we are dealing with is so far above and beyond our reality that until they pop out on the white house lawn with a big hello sign like Moby's Alone in this World video, we are going to be chasing our tails til were silly.

If Dr. Greer had solid, 100% proof, he would have thrown it out there. What he's trying to do now is play poker. You show me yours, I'll show you mine. However, he missed one major rule of play. There is no game if the other team has all the cards.

hahaha that was well said.

Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt
You want open hearings? I'll give you open hearings, in fact, within 24 hours I'll have them for you.

Just pop down some factual documents, some wreckage debris from alien craft, an alien body or two, and I'll have you on the front page of every paper worldwide.

Umm...you might want to consider a couple of things.

Stanton Friedman states that the commander of the Roswell Air Force Base said that what he found was definitely out of this world...and it was reported on the front page of the Roswell paper....

The next day the paper was required to retract the story, and other people in radio who tried to communicate the story to other sources were also stopped by the CIA and FBI....

You might want to read Friedman's book, it is a historical book that is the first documentation of the Roswell incident.

The base commander was forced to go into an office and have weather balloon parts shown to him and say that these things were weather balloons and not ETs.

But of course he has said that his job and retirement depended on him saying that and what he really saw was something that was not made in this world.....

Steven Greer has given everything he has to all the major networks, including a major CETI experience that completely freakedn the camera man. Every time he has been told that the networks were not allowed to run it....


Good luck.

I want to believe everything Dr Greer talks about. I am intrigued by this imminent contact he is planning for the world to see.

The sceptical side of me wants to suggest that Dr Greer's cancer treatment could have made him a bit wacky? I think he made an excellent impression at the National Press Club but his recent talks make me judgmental.

[edit on 10-3-2007 by SwingingMonkey]

Tock,

Many thanks for your posts to ATS over the past few months, I have really enjoyed reading them all.

Do you live in the UK?

If so, do you have any plans to put into practice what you learned with Dr. Greer last year and hold a similar event at some location here in the UK with a small group of people?

Originally posted by Philip3
Tock,

Many thanks for your posts to ATS over the past few months, I have really enjoyed reading them all.

Do you live in the UK?

If so, do you have any plans to put into practice what you learned with Dr. Greer last year and hold a similar event at some location here in the UK with a small group of people?

My pleasure.
I live in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

I'm going to start a CE-5 group as soon as the weather is warmer, we are in the -25c these days here...cooolddd.

There is not very much people that have followed the training and knows how to do all this, but I can probably see on the CSETI forums if any of them live near you. If you want to start doing stuff while waiting to get in touch with a group, you can learn a meditation technique of your choice, or order Steven's CD on his website, that's how i got started with all this. I had results in about 5-6 weeks, doing this about 2-3 times a week.

You can U2U me if you want more info.

[edit on 10-3-2007 by tock]

Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
I want to believe everything Dr Greer talks about. I am intrigued by this imminent contact he is planning for the world to see.

The sceptical side of me wants to suggest that Dr Greer's cancer treatment could have made him a bit wacky? I think he made an excellent impression at the National Press Club but his recent talks make me judgmental.

[edit on 10-3-2007 by SwingingMonkey]

I met Steven in Semptember 2006, and he was in great shape. For a man in the 50's, he def. is in a healthy physical and mental shape.
He's a very caring man, for his family but also for the population of this planet. That's what I felt anyway during that week long training week.

I'm still amazed at the amount of people that are blindly or wildly accusing someone they don't even know, or have never seen in person, that have no idea of the type of work is involved behind the type of disclosure....

Steven certainly looks more like a rock star right now. See those people he's been socialising with: movie stars, senators,palm readers,junky singers,journalists...... coundnt do any better.

Anyway, he is just a rural hospital doctor

Originally posted by manlyphall
Steven certainly looks more like a rock star right now. See those people he's been socialising with: movie stars, senators,palm readers,junky singers,journalists...... coundnt do any better.

I would like to know just whats so wrong about that.

Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
I want to believe everything Dr Greer talks about. I am intrigued by this imminent contact he is planning for the world to see.

The sceptical side of me wants to suggest that Dr Greer's cancer treatment could have made him a bit wacky? I think he made an excellent impression at the National Press Club but his recent talks make me judgmental.

[edit on 10-3-2007 by SwingingMonkey]

I've never heard of cancer treatment making someone wacky.

Originally posted by vladmir

Originally posted by manlyphall
Steven certainly looks more like a rock star right now. See those people he's been socialising with: movie stars, senators,palm readers,junky singers,journalists...... coundnt do any better.

I would like to know just whats so wrong about that.

I think what is wrong with it is as follows:

Right now, he supposedly has 450+ people backing him that were involved with seeing/tracking/or in contact with UFOs/EBEs. For him to suddenly become some spiritual guru will entice the greater scientific community to note that he is just another 'crackpot' UFO worshiper. Not only that - could you see him facing a Congressional hearing with senators asking him questions to discredit his intentions?

"So Dr. Greer, you believe that meditation and focusing on your 'vibrations' will allow you to communicate with these.... um, extra terrestrial beings?"

The facts about the 450+ people that Greer has mentioned will be totally dismissed. I am looking at this from a logical perspective. NOW, unless Greer has the end-all be-all 'holy grail' of evidence - he will be dismissed by the public, scientists and even his own government... It is now easy to debunk Greer as a UFO nut...
Very sad really. IMO he set back research on this topic back a good 20 or 30 years... we are back to the tabloids with titles like "Vampire Alien Babies Invade Earth!"
Its really disheartening for people who want this done so Congress or the government can't throw "your just a crazy person" in your face... now they have all the fuel they want.
Kroms33

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by vladmir

Originally posted by manlyphall
Steven certainly looks more like a rock star right now. See those people he's been socialising with: movie stars, senators,palm readers,junky singers,journalists...... coundnt do any better.

I would like to know just whats so wrong about that.

I think what is wrong with it is as follows:

Right now, he supposedly has 450+ people backing him that were involved with seeing/tracking/or in contact with UFOs/EBEs. For him to suddenly become some spiritual guru will entice the greater scientific community to note that he is just another 'crackpot' UFO worshiper. Not only that - could you see him facing a Congressional hearing with senators asking him questions to discredit his intentions?

"So Dr. Greer, you believe that meditation and focusing on your 'vibrations' will allow you to communicate with these.... um, extra terrestrial beings?"

The facts about the 450+ people that Greer has mentioned will be totally dismissed. I am looking at this from a logical perspective. NOW, unless Greer has the end-all be-all 'holy grail' of evidence - he will be dismissed by the public, scientists and even his own government... It is now easy to debunk Greer as a UFO nut...
Very sad really. IMO he set back research on this topic back a good 20 or 30 years... we are back to the tabloids with titles like "Vampire Alien Babies Invade Earth!"
Its really disheartening for people who want this done so Congress or the government can't throw "your just a crazy person" in your face... now they have all the fuel they want.
Kroms33

Your opinion, no facts. Glad you share your opinion, and I disagree with it. The problem is that you are judging someone based on opinions, not facts. that's what's wrong. Set back? God, were you listening to the video? There's a country behind him on all this. If all goes well, we have disclosure in the next year.

I'd love to know what you have accomplished to understand the ETI-Human relationship, at least i could see what gives you rights to judge and criticize others.

I guess all the ex military witness's/ ATC & such are all outright liars too, no matter what he says or does I guess they're all in on the act too huh?

Ridiculous

Originally posted by wildone106
I guess all the ex military witness's/ ATC & such are all outright liars too, no matter what he says or does I guess they're all in on the act too huh?

Ridiculous

Ridiculous is right.

Irrational scepticism is the first thing that comes to mind.

First people close their eyes and ears and minds, and then complain that there is no evidence and that everybody is lying, or everybody is in it to make money or whatever.

Originally posted by tock


Your opinion, no facts. Glad you share your opinion, and I disagree with it. The problem is that you are judging someone based on opinions, not facts. that's what's wrong. Set back? God, were you listening to the video? There's a country behind him on all this. If all goes well, we have disclosure in the next year.

I'd love to know what you have accomplished to understand the ETI-Human relationship, at least i could see what gives you rights to judge and criticize others.

FACTS? The facts are this: no congressional commitee is going to place hearings on the testimonial of a doctor who believes he is in telepathic communications with aliens... When was the last time you saw congress acknowledge anything about UFOs? Why would they even 'think' about speaking to him.

You want facts? Wait a year and you will have them - most likely, without a congressional committee.

Greer is a GOOD speaker - so are Amway salesmen... As for my 'opinions' they are based on factual data. Congress would never listen to him, since they have never listened to any 'new age' gurus in the past - ever.
He completely destroyed the credibility of all 450+ of those people involved.

I really hope I am proven wrong.... seriously - If I am, I will apologize... but I don't think I will.

Tell you what, if there is no disclosure - or anything even being attempted on a congressional level by March 2008 - lets meet up here and the winner apologizes to the loser of this bet

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by tock


Your opinion, no facts. Glad you share your opinion, and I disagree with it. The problem is that you are judging someone based on opinions, not facts. that's what's wrong. Set back? God, were you listening to the video? There's a country behind him on all this. If all goes well, we have disclosure in the next year.

I'd love to know what you have accomplished to understand the ETI-Human relationship, at least i could see what gives you rights to judge and criticize others.

FACTS? The facts are this: no congressional commitee is going to place hearings on the testimonial of a doctor who believes he is in telepathic communications with aliens... When was the last time you saw congress acknowledge anything about UFOs? Why would they even 'think' about speaking to him.

You want facts? Wait a year and you will have them - most likely, without a congressional committee.

Greer is a GOOD speaker - so are Amway salesmen... As for my 'opinions' they are based on factual data. Congress would never listen to him, since they have never listened to any 'new age' gurus in the past - ever.
He completely destroyed the credibility of all 450+ of those people involved.

I really hope I am proven wrong.... seriously - If I am, I will apologize... but I don't think I will.

Tell you what, if there is no disclosure - or anything even being attempted on a congressional level by March 2008 - lets meet up here and the winner apologizes to the loser of this bet

Greer started exposing the consciousness aspects with his last book, one year ago, in 2006.

National Press Club happened in 2001. They had 5 friggin years to do something, nothing happened.

You really think that exposing consciousness aspect of all this has anything to do with the big wall the Disclosure Project is facing? No, this came 5 years later.