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Scientists find Extraterrestrial genes in Human DNA

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posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 02:39 PM
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Thanks Nygdan for clearing that up. I have to confess to not reading the article.




posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
They're not comparing it to anything. It looks like, from the article, that they are trying to say that because it is structured, that it has an unknown function. ANd then they are suggesting that teh structure is the type that we have in our own computer program coding, thus implying it was coded by a programmer, which, of course, would have ot be god or an alien, in this case.


I'm a little ignorant concerning dna and genetics. Sounds to me you may be more familiar with many aspects of it, so i am inclined to pose a question to you Nygden, because i respect your opinion.

Does their "theory??" sound impossible, or at the least plausible to you, or are we simply lacking efficient data to prove or disprove it at this time?

Thanks in advance Nygden for the contemplation of my inquiry,
john paul



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 03:05 PM
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I found the article well written and quite convincing. Of course we all follow Darwin's Theory as if it is a Fact, so why couldn't we follow some updated Theory as well, if it is convincingly layed out.

There was a naked alien woman who actually left blonde hair on a man she tried to seduce in his bedroom one morning. That DNA has been mentioned here but no one takes it seriously because the DNA resembles human DNA, although an extremely rare and never before found on a blonde person, only Black Haired people in remote parts of China. The DNA was left in Australia.

But maybe we just see the human DNA and pass over the Junk DNA which we assume is irrelevant. But perhaps the junk DNA is activated by certain means? Many people state that they are actually aliens. There are millions of such people and they are not crazy at all, they just know there is more to themselves than meets the eye. So perhaps they are just in contact with their alien DNA which is more active in them than in others, but the scientists would not even recognize it is in them and would just consider it junk?

There's geniuses in every field. There's scientists who study UFOs and aliens while other scientists mock such beliefs. So you can't expect to find consensus with every way out there idea that some geniuses believe in.

While I cannot verify if this Junk DNA actually is what this Doctor claims, and I question some of the comments made as facts in the article, I still appreciate the direction it is heading in and I believe there might be some real truth to the idea that we have traces of Alien DNA in us.

One thing I've noticed from being with the humans and the aliens is that the humans don't have the means to perceive the aliens or their technology. They have more than three dimensions and we build devices to detect three dimensional objects only. And we consider radio waves to be the highest means of communication but they use telepathic type waves.

Consider Remote viewing. The human mind is an instrument that given the coordinates can accurately tune in to any part of the universe. So we are actually much more than apes. We are advanced instruments that can be used to receive and transmit messages to anywhere in the universe instantly. And we are actually used as transmitters and receivers by the aliens without our knowledge. Many people have reported that they awoke in the hypnagogic or altered state and heard their own selves having deep conversations with other people. They were aware that they were being used as some type of communication node but they don't know what it is all about. Lobsang Rampa explains a lot about this type of phenomenon in his books and I have experienced the phenomenon myself. And that Alien Stream people are trying to tune into with their minds is simply an alien communication channel that we are all hooked into at another level even without knowing it.

So I believe humans have a long way to progress in their scientific research and part of such research is knowing where to look. So new ideas proposing we look in previously overlooked areas of our DNA may prove very useful in the future. We could learn about the aliens by Reverse engineering ourselves through the Junk DNA the aliens left behind.

I also read that they changed the DNA to remove our tails at one stage in our development. They spliced the DNA or split it? I can't remember now.





posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 03:28 PM
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What makes them think it's alien origin? oh it's not mentioned



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Does their "theory??" sound impossible, or at the least plausible to you, or are we simply lacking efficient data to prove or disprove it at this time?

I am not an authority. You are definitly better off trying to muddle through it on your own. I had to muddle through it to reach my understanding of it. I will say that I think that the article is at least clear enough (the valley of the strange article) in where they were getting their ideas. You don't need an intimate knowledge of genetics to get at what they are saying. Sometimees the riggamarole can make things seem like they are more technical or complex than they are, or even were intended.


probedbygrays
Of course we all follow Darwin's Theory as if it is a Fact, so why couldn't we follow some updated Theory as well, if it is convincingly layed out

Darwin's Theory was that evolution occurs via a mechanism of natural selection. He laid out a lot of evidence for his theory, explained his rationale, and for over a hundred years people have been scrutinizing it, testing it, and trying to understand it. Even Darwin himself gave some criteria by which his theory could be judged, and even instances that, if they ended up being true, his theory could be rejected.
These articles, imo, don't do that. But, at the same time, Darwin is a pretty high standard.


There was a naked alien woman who actually left blonde hair on a man she tried to seduce in his bedroom one morning. That DNA has been mentioned here but no one takes it seriously because the DNA resembles human DNA, although an extremely rare and never before found on a blonde person, only Black Haired people in remote parts of China. The DNA was left in Australia.

That is a story. It has nothing to do with Chang's ideas that junk dna are extraterrestrial. As far as it being odd that a blonde woman would have dna that is in people with black hair from china, its not surprising, all humans share lots of dna. If the woman's father or mother was from china, then half her dna would be 'from china'. If any of her ancestors included a black haired person from china, then she'd have a good chance of having some of that individuals DNA.
If anything, that shows that she wasn't an alien.


I still appreciate the direction it is heading in and I believe there might be some real truth to the idea that we have traces of Alien DNA in us.

But what was convincing from teh article? What made you say 'ah, yes, this junk dna is from aliens' or 'yes, there are aliens amoung us'.


One thing I've noticed from being with the humans and the aliens is that the humans don't have the means to perceive the aliens or their technology.

So are you saying that you beleive there are aliens because of rationally presented evidence and proof, or because you've met with the aliens but have no proof and simply beleive?


We could learn about the aliens by Reverse engineering ourselves through the Junk DNA the aliens left behind.

There is no reason to think that junk dna is from aliens.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Griff
My question. If we've never met any extraterrestials to know what their DNA make is, how are these "scientists" able to say that our DNA is part extraterrestrial? Doesn't make sense to me.


I agree, how can they say that this part of our DNA is extraterrestrial if we haven't even found any kind of life anywhere but Earth? There's no way to prove it, at least not yet.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 04:48 PM
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The term "junk DNA" used by scientists only means that it is a region of the sequence that does not code for a protien. However, that does not mean that it is not used or essential. Some parts are just dormant and are only used in certain periods of our lives such as puberty. Some parts are what we call introns and promoters which basically serve to speed up, slow down, or stop gene function. Some genes cannot code for protiens without thier promoters. Therefore, these areas are just as important as the genes themselves. The problem is that we havent been studying the human genome for that long really so we just dont know what alot of these "junk DNA" areas do.

It is important to note that the term "junk DNA" was coined very early in DNA research and todays scientists are phasing out this term because it really doesnt apply.

There is also one known function for some of the junk DNA. There is quite a bit of repeated sequences at the ends of all of our chromosomes. This DNA serves as kind of a barrier to mutations that happen at the ends during replication of the strands before cell division. In this way it is the repeats that are mutated instead of important parts located behind all of this junk DNA.

Interestingly enough is is this junk DNA at the ends that is the basis of paternity tests and for some forensic indentification tests as the number of tandem repeats on each chomosome are different for each individual.

Also, if it appears in everything on earth one cannot turn around and call it alien.

[edit on 9-1-2007 by kokoro]



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 05:24 PM
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Well, it is odd how humans so wildly diverge from all other species on the planet. Even the apes, who are so close to us genetically. How does one explain the incredible evolutionary happenstance that convinces one species that they alone are born in the image of 'gods' to reign over all the other species.

I think it's probably a disease of some sort. Some kind of mutation for the monkeys who got too close to the solar flare and gaseous burp up at the same time.

Then due to their perverse new appetites and ability to hallucinate they spent all their time in orgies and covered the earth with their progeny.

Or it could be aliens, I guess.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 05:47 PM
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It is curious to note that they offer no information on just who Professor Chang is. Generally they would say for example, "Professor Chang of Cambridge University, today stated that ET is your grandfather" In this case he is a total mystery. It talked about a team working AT the Human Genome Project. Interesting. First, the Human Genome Project was conducted at several labs not just one, so saying AT is meaningless unless it is followed by a location, i.e., " At the Genome project in Geneva." Second, if he had said Team, then where, which team? Research groups are tied to University or corporate labs and those sponsoring institutions always get mentioned in press releases.

The Human Genome Project was completed in 2003 so why is the mysterious Prof. Chang suddenly making this statement years later?

I could say that Homo Sapiens (humans) have parts of the same DNA as Pan Troglodytes (chimpanzees) and I could make that statement as we have both sets of DNA for comparison. What DNA does Prof Chang have to make such a comparison between Human and Alien? In fact he doesn't have any. His basis is just a guess and not based on verifiable evidence. That is not the scientific method. There is also no peer review mentioned. Scientists always release new data as a scientific paper which has a specific format. All of those standard formats were absent.

No where could I find any abstracts by a professor Chang about any aspects of the Human Genome Project or DNA research in general. The Article seems to suggest that he was a project coordinator. No where is a professor Chang listed in association with the Human Genome Project and a search of their data base yielded no results on his doing any research for them.

Given that there are so many odd points to this Alien DNA information claim, I can only come to the conclusion that it is not genuine.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 06:40 PM
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Well, your first giveaway is that there doesn't seem to be any Dr Sam Chang with the Genome Project.

Second, how would you know that it is alien DNA without one to compare to? And do all aliens, if there are any, possess the same DNA? Do they have DNA at all?

Third, a lot of "junk DNA" is just a sequence of repetitive codons that don't code for any protein, like endless strings of "stop" codons. Some of it is obviously retrovirus leftovers, because they match known retrovirus sequences to a great degree. Some of it is *probably* retroviral, since it has viral enzyme sequences in it. Other bits of junk DNA appear to be buffer zones to allow attachment of scanning and repair enzymes, or to promote or suppress expression of genes. Other bits are apparently there for shuffling in or out into other genes as needed. For example, your immune system uses "jumping genes" to pattern match antibodies for specific invaders.

Fourth, that comment about it having arteries, veins and an immune system is, as my kids would say, total manky bollocks. If you're talking about the DNA itself possessing a circulatory system, that's nonsense babble. If you're talking about it coding for these structures, there isn't any way to look at a big string of genetic material and derive the macrostructure(s) it codes for. It's barely possible to look at it and determine what sort of protein it codes for, the algorithms for protein folding are still in their infancy, much less can you plug a few million codons into a computer and have a picture of the organism coded for pop out.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 06:54 PM
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Heh!

I always thought that "junk DNA" was such a stupid arrogant thing to say....we dont know what it does so it must be junk, how silly.

Apparently, human beings have 20 codons of DNA out of a possible 60 "activated" but recently the has been a explosion of evolution, it would seem.

External text....
About 10 or 11 years ago in the US, there was a baby born with AIDS.
>They tested him at birth and at 6 months and he tested positive for
>AIDS. They tested him a year later and he still tested positive. Then
they didn't test him again until
>he was 6, and what was amazing is that this test showed that he was
>completely AIDS free! In fact, there was no trace that he ever had
AIDS
or HIV whatsoever!
>He was taken to UCLA to see what was going on and those tests showed
that
the didn't have normal human DNA. In the human DNA we have 4 nucleic
acids
>that combine in sets of 3 producing 64 different patterns that are
called
>codons. Human DNA all over the world always has 20 of these codons
turned
>on and the rest of them are turned off, except for 3 which are the
stop
>and start codes, much like a computer. Science always assumed that the
>ones that were turned off were old programs from our past. I've always
seen
>them like application programs in a computer. Anyway...this boy had 24
codons
>turned on - 4 more than any other human being. Then they tested this
kid
>tosee how strong his immune system was. They took a very lethal dose of
>AIDS in a petri dish and mixed it with some of his cells and his cells
>remained completely unaffected. They kept raising the lethalness of the
>composition
>- and finally went up to 3,000 times more than what was necessary to
>infect a human being and his cells stayed completely disease free. Then
they
>started testing his blood with other things like cancer and discovered
>that this kid was immune to everything! Then they found another kid
with
these
>codons turned on - then another one - then another one - then 10,000,
>then 100,000, then a million of them - and at this point, UCLA, by
watching
>world-wide DNA testing, estimates that 1% of the world has this new
DNA.
>That breaks down to approximately 60 million people who are not human
by
>the old criteria.

:end external text:


Intersting times we live in, i wonder what our TRUE potential is, maybe we really DO have everything already within us just waiting to turn on.




posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 07:17 PM
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That sounds good, but it just isn't true.

First off, yes, there are 20 amino acids that are coded for, and yes, there are 64 codons. Three are stop codons and don't code for any amino acid at all. One doubles as the codon for methionine and as a start codon.

The others aren't "unused", they're redundant coding for amino acids. For instance, There are four codon patterns that code for Alanine: GCU, GCC, GCA and GCG.

Why have redundancy? The same reason you have it in any information structure, if you have a single point mutation in GCU that swaps it to GCC, the organism will never see a problem: both code for the same amino acid.

Just having more codons "turned on" doesn't mean anything as a statement. You have mRNA that's specifically designed to pick up a particular tRNA carrying a specific amino acid to be added to a protein being assembled in a ribosome. Each codon codes for one amino acid, and you have one or more for every amino acid used in life processes. You don't just "turn on" a new codon, for one, they're all assigned already.




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posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 08:17 PM
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Holy crap. Don't post any conclusion unless YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT DNA IS. A couple of you seem to, a lot...don't.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 08:19 PM
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Great post Tom! Accurate and to the point.

Sorry Anomic but the accuracy of that acticle leaves much to be desired. While i can maybe believe that someone had immunity to AIDS the whole scientific backing to the article was crap. LOL No disrespect intended to you.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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I'm really happy to see some people clearing up some of the gross misconceptions that have been thrown around. Well done. Just one thing I'd like to add to help knock this Dr. Chang down, whoever he is. Someone quoted him as saying that since it (the DNA i'm assuming) is made of letters that they should test it in old languages.....wow. You can't really pull a language from 4 letters....not to mention it would be impossible for the mastermind "alien" genetic engineer to predict what letters we would use. HaHa...It's either a joke or someone took a Bio 101 class, received a deserved D and decided to write a story.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 09:27 PM
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BTW folks they're "alien", because we didn't acquire them from our previous evolutionary phase. Neanderthal man, I believe. Cheers.



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 09:40 PM
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before u debate a mute point ask yourselves this, if there WAS an actual mutating of our DNA going on, the medical industry would not mention it because many people would panic and freak, and that's not good for anyone, on top of asking the questions what does that mean, and frankly they don't know

just like the gov't would not tell us 2 years before a deadly asteroid would hit, because why? it would cause panic, and everyone knows panic does no good, and panicked people may not work make them money and send economy in 2 the toilet.

lets see


maybe when we (some of us) ascend to the fourth dimension frequency vibrations in the next 5 years that some of this junk dna will be turned on(actually it is a prerequisite to this ascension) and possibly a survival mechanism, till then turn off your minds and wait to hear about it on fox, or from other money hungry organizations aheeem medical industry

if nothing else this should open your minds a little bit

it's okay your beleif system's can still remain in tact
just ask yourself with respect to myself which of my resourceful beleifs can still remain intact and possibly even strengthen further as i can give my mind the option of opening to these other beleifs concerning DNA and related topics

[edit on 9-1-2007 by cpdaman]

[edit on 9-1-2007 by cpdaman]



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 09:43 PM
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What's this "physical proof" that Billy Mier provided?? What did he have a frozen alien head in the fridge? ROFL. WEIRD


ORB

posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 10:53 PM
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Some day something astonishing will happen, like somebody will have an intuitive leap and actually link DNA coding to the bible code somehow and we will all be completely blown away. Imagine if this were to happen ........



posted on Jan, 9 2007 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by ORB
Some day something astonishing will happen, like somebody will have an intuitive leap and actually link DNA coding to the bible code somehow and we will all be completely blown away. Imagine if this were to happen ........


holding intuitive thoughts back?

I think you may know a thing ....




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