Setting us up for WW3 ??

NAZI GERMANY�S WAR ON TERRORISM

Hitler used the 1933 burning of the Reichstag (Parliament) building by a deranged Dutchman to declare a �war on terrorism,� establish his legitimacy as a leader (even though he hadn�t won a majority in the previous election).

�You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history,� he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. �This fire,� he said, his voice trembling with emotion, �is the beginning.� He used the occasion � �a sign from God,� he called it � to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their �evil� deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first prison for terrorists was built in Oranianberg, holding the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the nation�s flag was everywhere, even printed in newspapers suitable for display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation�s now-popular leader had pushed through legislation, in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it, that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people�s homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic �Decree on the Protection of People and State� passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack on the Reichstag building was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained.

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. Instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as The Fatherland. As hoped, people�s hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was �the� homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, Hitler�s advisors determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, including those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist sympathizers. He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the Fatherland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single powerful leader.

Most Americans remember his Office of Fatherland Security, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and Schutzstaffel, simply by its most famous agency�s initials: the SS.

And, perhaps most important, he invited his supporters in industry into the halls of government to help build his new detention camps, his new military, and his new empire which was to herald a thousand years of peace. Industry and government worked hand-in-glove, in a new type of pseudo-democracy first proposed by Mussolini and sustained by war.


I think the parrallels with what is happening now are very worrying, its exactly the same thing being done in the same way by probable desendants of the people who setup ww2, what do you all think?

Wow, if true, that's remarkably close to what happened here in the US, even to the words and actions taken in the begining. Do you have any sources or anything for that information, specifically that which took place shortly after the first terrorist incident?

Yes, it's true. After the fire at the Reichstag, Hitler blamed it on the communists, and proceeded to have all members of the communist party rounded up, most never to be heard from again.

After the communists, he purged his own political party. The Nazis were with the SA (sturmabteilung), which actually viewed their party as national SOCIALISTS. Hitler eventually had all of them removed, consolidating his power.

of course its the same

its probably the sons or grandsons of who did it last time doing it now, u know, i'm sure bush's father or grandfather had links to hitler etc!!!

Certain families like Rothschild and Rockerfella (and many others) had historic links to the architects of world war 2 such as hitler who used some american money (im sure this can be checked out). These same families wield more power now than ever, they have links and influence over intelligence agencies all over the world (most probably unaware) and are positioning us for another world war, one ssooo bad that we will beg for their single world solution when they offer it after the devestation, they offered the Leuge of nations or somthing after ww1, the offered the UN after ww2 (although the was never as powerful as hoped for by its architects). These are practice runs or failed attempts at a uninted world governing body so they are attempting it again an a bigger, nuclear scale, under the guise of terrorism so when its offered again people will be so desperate they will take it.

Or thats what i think anyway......hope im wrong.

Edited for bad spelling

[Edited on 12-12-2003 by Kobyoshimaru]

Originally posted by Kobyoshimaru
of course its the same

its probably the sons or grandsons of who did it last time doing it now, u know, i'm sure bush's father or grandfather had links to hitler etc!!!

Certain families like Rothschild and Rockerfella (and many others) had historic links to the architects of world war 2 such as hitler who used some american money (im sure this can be checked out). These same families wield more power now than ever, they have links and influence over intelligence agencies all over the world (most probably unaware) and are positioning us for another world war, one ssooo bad that we will beg for their single world solution when they offer it after the devestation, they offered the Leuge of nations or somthing after ww1, the offered the UN after ww2 (although the was never as powerful as hoped for by its architects). These are practice runs or failed attempts at a uninted world governing body so they are attempting it again an a bigger, nuclear scale, under the guise of terrorism so when its offered again people will be so desperate they will take it.

Or thats what i think anyway......hope im wrong.

Edited for bad spelling

[Edited on 12-12-2003 by Kobyoshimaru]

This example of terrorism was a little extream in the US. Now, everyone is saying "Yeah, they're the same", but no one is putting credible links or anything. The begining of the story, the dialog, and some of the responses I've not heard before, and want to know more. And please don't take offense, but I'm not going to believe it because one person posted it and 2 others (1 of which DEFINATELLY doesn't like Bush, so has an agenda) agree...

Yes, Hitler was partially financed by FORD, during his rise to power. Hitler was more preffered in a seat of power than the communists. And Guess who built all those army trucks for Germany? GM and Ford. Guess who sold Germany their telecommunication devices? IT&T(International Telephone and Telegraph, now known as AT&T). Guess who sold Germany the oil needed for all those tanks? Standard Oil Company.

The list goes on..........

Hey there junglejake

I like bush just as much as any other politician which is not very much, the bush example just came to mind.

And i also like america, i have been twice, it cost me a fortune, i like the american people, i would live there (although with whats comming may be better to be in the UK ) but the US government like the UK govermnment is a scum, NWO infected organisation which HAS ITS OWN BEST INTERESTS AND AGENDA AT HEART, NOT THE PEOPLE'S.

I have no agenda but the truth, i hope im wrong, ill get some links, but for the meantime here are links to some other posts which are a ode the the "honesty" of our, and many other governments, there are some good links on these posts to.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just a few.

Originally posted by Kobyoshimaru
Hey there junglejake

I like bush just as much as any other politician which is not very much, the bush example just came to mind.

And i also like america, i have been twice, it cost me a fortune, i like the american people, i would live there (although with whats comming may be better to be in the UK

) but the US government like the UK govermnment is a scum, NWO infected organisation which HAS ITS OWN BEST INTERESTS AND AGENDA AT HEART, NOT THE PEOPLE'S.

I have no agenda but the truth, i hope im wrong, ill get some links, but for the meantime here are links to some other posts which are a ode the the "honesty" of our, and many other governments, there are some good links on these posts to.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just a few.

Thank you for those threads, I'll have to check them out when I get home (I'm about to leave work), but the info I want is where the info you posted first came from.

Here Junglejake is a short history lesson of the dealing of how the second world war was funded and by whom.

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Occupied America:
A Chronology of Nazi Infiltration

1927 � Ford issues "International Jew" book slamming Jews; Hitler admires book, has pile of them on his office table in Munich, Picture of Ford hanging in office. Enforcement of Wiley act moved from Bureau of Chemistry (USDA) to its own bureau, "Food, Drug and Insecticide Administration." Given further powers to ban "harmful additives." No real criteria established as to how to make a legitimate determination of what is harmful and what is not. Government has responsibility to prove substance is harmful.

1928 � duPont contributed major money to get Herbert Hoover elected president. duPont and Anaconda Copper subsidized campaign of Catholic liberal Al Smith.

1929 � "Great Depression" causes hundreds of suicides over financial losses. Andrew Mellon still with Treasury. Mellon meets with Montague Norman, head of bank of England before crash. American I.G. established, from I.G. Farben. Lateran treaty signed between Pope and Mussolini. Gives permanent recognition of state for Vatican, with Pope as head of state. Pius XI says: "No Catholic could be a genuine, convinced Fascist." Lateran treaty recognized Vatican as supra-national world morals organization. Ford Motor Company works on biomass fuels project, finding Hemp is most efficient. Plans to build car from plant material, especially Hemp. Military intelligence becomes entrenched as a counterrevolutionary force to fight "The menace" of Communism. Unrest during the depression caused a broadening of domestic intelligence gathering, especially in connection with the veterans march of 1932

1930 � Edsel Ford on board of American I.G. and General Aniline. Bank of International Settlements founded in Switzerland. Used as a money laundry, especially by Nazis. Board eventually controlled by Nazis. American banker Thomas Harrington McKittrick is President of B.I.S. Pope Pius XI gives up on Soviet Union collapsing,launches anti-Communist campaign. Bureau persuades Congress to authorize a special committee (Fish Committee) to investigate "Communist propaganda." Hoover read his pre-1924 intelligence reports, implying they were current. Also played on the racial unrest and prejudice theme. Hoover pressed for legislation to punish advocacy of the violent overthrow of the government, claiming words alone were grounds for punishment. Establishment considered propaganda dangerous and past protections of the First Amendment. Spoken word and written word thus became the new targets of domestic surveillance. Harry Anslinger, the nephew-in-law of Andrew Mellon, is appointed head of the newly-formed Bureau of Narcotics. Thyssen arranges credit for the Nazi party through Bank Voor Handel en Scheepvaart (BHS) which was the Dutch Brown Brothers Harriman affiliate.

1931 � Siler Commission report on soldier's use of Cannabis in Panama released. Indicates alcohol, not Cannabis causes problems. "Use of the drug (sic) is not widespread and ... its effects on military efficiency and upon discipline are not great. There appears to be no reason for renewing the penalties formerly exacted." Anslinger attends the first international narcotics conference, strikes up friendship with Baron Von Rheinbaben, head of the German delegation. Von Rheinbaben would become Hitler's head of German International Intelligence in Lisbon, Portugal during the war. Anslinger kept in touch with him saying Von Rheinbaben " ... Helped us out in several very delicate matters." W.A. Harriman & Co. Merges with Brown Brothers, the British-American investments house to become Brown Brothers Harriman. Bank of England Governor Montague Norman was a former Brown Brother's partner. Norman was known as perhaps Britain's greatest supporter of Hitler. Bush's partner in BBH was Thatcher Brown, a close friend of Norman's.

1932 � Bosses of GM poured $30 million in I.G. Farben plants. Reconstruction Finance Corporation created. Hitler forms Fraternity group to guarantee financing for the Gestapo. Hamburg-Amerika Line fosters anti-German government propaganda in favor of Hitler's Nazi Party. They oppose the government's attempt to disband Nazi private army. Founding Director of Union Banking and American Ship and Commerce Corp, and Executive Committee Chairman of Remington Arms works with Prescott Bush's firms in banking and trans-Atlantic shipping. Most of Nazi's weapons are produced in America. Weapons are transshipped in the Scheltdt to river barges before the vessels arrive in Antwerp, Belgium, then carried through Holland with no police inspection World War I veterans march on Washington, demanding their promised cash bonuses from the government. Military intelligence springs to action, trying to undermine the veterans' demands. G-2,(government intelligence agency) and a new organization, the Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) become involved in internal security and maintained surveillance on "radicals," peace activists, labor officials and others. A hotel room in Chicago occupied by Eleanor Roosevelt was bugged, as were the rooms of other notables. These kinds of activities continue through the present. Third International Congress on Eugenics held in New York. Dealt with persistence of African-Americans and other "inferior" and "socially inadequate" groups in reproducing, expanding their numbers and "amalgamating" with others. Group determined that these "dangers" to the "Better ethnic groups and to the Well-born" could be dealt with through sterilization or "Cutting off the bad stock of the unfit." Italy's fascist government under Mussolini sent as its representative Mary Harriman, sister of Avrell Harriman. The proceedings were dedicated to Harriman's mother who had paid for the founding of the race-science movement in America in 1910 and building The Eugenics Record Office as a branch of the Galton National Laboratory in London. Avrell Harriman personally arranged for transportation of Dr. Ernst Rudin, a psychiatrist at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Genealogy and Demography in Berlin. The Rockefeller family paid for an entire floor at the institute for Dr. Rudin to do his eugenics research. Rudin was unanimously elected President of the International Federation of Eugenics Societies. Rudin was now the official leader of the world eugenics movement. The movement included groups dedicated to the sterilization of mental patients (mental hygiene societies), execution of the insane, criminals and the terminally ill (euthanasia societies) and eugenical race-purification by prevention of births to parents of what they considered inferior blood stock (birth control societies). These groups openly called for elimination of the "Unfit" by any means, including violence. Rudin authored German law " ... For the prevention of Hereditary Diseases in Posterity" based on U.S. statutes in the state of Virginia and other states.

1933 � duPont's foreign relations director Wendell R. Swint meets with Hermann Schmitz and Carl Krauch of Farben in Berlin. Discover that I.G. Farben and Krupp industries had arranged for nazi industry to contribute one half percent of its entire wage and salary roll to the duPonts begin to finance native fascist groups in America. Despite being Jewish, duPonts smeared Jewish organizations. GM President William S. Knudsen says Germany is "the miracle of the twentieth century." Munitions Committee obtained information that duPont sold guns to Germany inspite of law. Felix duPont signed treaty with Hitler agent Giera, who was actually int'l spy Peter Brenner. Giera was appointed agent for Germany and Holland. Contract said military purchases of propellants and military explosives, to be smuggled through Holland. duPonts sent Giera to Japan to work for them. Giera had been a spy against the U.S. during WWI. Japan invades Manchuria. American I.T.&T makes transatlantic communications agreement with Hitler. Pope Pius XI signs Concordat with Hitler; declares political left wing and the Communist Party as the worst of two evils with Nazis. Pacelli (now Cardinal Pacelli) instrumental in drawing up Concordat with Hitler. American Ship and Commerce, controlled by Prescott Bush, notifies Max Warburg that he was to be the corporation's designated representative to Hamburg-Amerika. Warburg assures Hamburg-Amerika that Hitler is good for Germany, but that they are suffering because of the anti-Hitler propaganda. Two days later, Warburg's son Erich cables his cousin Frederick Warburg, a director of the Harriman railroad system asking him to "Use all your influence" to stop all anti-Nazi activity in America." Two days after, the "American-Jewish Committee," controlled by the Warburgs, and the "B'nai Brith"" which was heavily influenced by the Sulzbergers (who run the New York Times) issues a formal statement "That no American boycott against Germany be encouraged."This policy continued all through the 30's Hamburg-Amerika and North German Lloyd Company board meets jointly, merges. Christian J. Beck, a longtime Harriman executive, is installed as North American manager of freight and operations. In the joint Nazi Shipping Line. An agreement was reached in Berlin to coordinate all Nazi commerce in the U.S. through the "Harriman International Co." led by Avrell Harriman's cousin Oliver to head a syndicate of 150 firms and individuals to conduct "all exports from Hitler's Germany to the U.S." Arrangement negotiated by John Foster Dulles, who represented dozens of Nazi businesses, with the counsel of Max Warburg and Kurt Von Schroeder. Hitler identifies his "NEW ORDER" John D. Rockefeller Jr. appoints William S. Farish Chairman of Standard Oil of New Jersey. Farish spends a lot of time with Hermann Schmitz, I.G. Farben Chairman. Farish hires Nazi German crews for Standard Oil tanker ships.

1934 � Coup d'etat attempt (?) by JP Morgan, duPonts, GM people, American Legion reps, Turned to Smedley Butler, former Marine Commandant who allegedly turned over information to Roosevelt. Was forced to resign as Commandant after he called Mussolini a Dictator. Fortune Magazine, a Henry Luce publication, praises Italy's Mussolini. McCormick-Dickstein hearings into coup attempt confirmed it, but the report was not immediately released. Gold Reserve act passed. Made private ownership of gold bullion illegal, made gold notes redeemable for paper money only in America, but could still be redeemed for gold from overseas. Multinational corps could take in notes, cash in from overseas subsidiaries. Teagle starts at Standard Oil, starts drilling for oil in Hungary. United States Chamber of Commerce issues report "Combating Subversive Activities in the United States," that blueprinted a legislative and intelligence program against the political left that would last through the 1950's, maybe beyond. Report demanded passage of anti-subversive legislation, including a sedition law and demanded an agency within the Justice Dept. be created to deal with subversive activities. A supervisor from the "Nazi Labor Front" rides with every shipment of the Harriman-Bush line. Further, employees of the New York offices were directly organized into the Nazi Labor Front organization. Hamburg-Amerika provides free passage to those going to Germany for propaganda purposes. The Line also subsidizes pro-Nazi newspapers.

1935 � Firearms tax act, legal precedent for Marijuana Tax Act. Avoided constitutional clash over regulating personal possession of something the government claimed was bad. Hemp decorticator developed, reenabling industry to run. Hitler publishes "Mein Kampf," his plan for world domination.

1936 Meetings between duPont and Treasury department. Formulating plans for making Hemp illegal. Dr. Heinrich Albert leaves law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell that represented Nazi interests in America becomes Ford's chairman in Germany. Sullivan and Cromwell was associated with Allen and John Foster Dulles. Irenee duPont used GM money to finance the notorious Black Legion, which tried to prevent autoworkers from unionizing with brutal methods, especially against black workers. Liberty league getting $500,000. a year from duPont. Whipped up hatred against blacks and Jews, love of Hitler and loathing of the Roosevelts. Spanish civil war starts, Franco brings Fascism. Communist agent Gen. Turkul sold the idea of NTS (people's labor alliance) to Japan. Japanese thought NTS was a good way to keep and eye on the Communists. Hoover meets with FDR to explore a proposed investigation of domestic communism and fascism. Hoover spent most of his time with FDR tearing down Communism; very little time spent on the rapidly growing Fascist movement in America. Hoover tells FDR that communists are in a position to paralyze vital areas of the economy because of their infiltration and control of key labor unions. FDR swallows it. Hoover suggests using a 1916 statute authorizing expenditures for investigation of matters referred to the Bureau by the Secretary of State. Why not have State request such an investigation? Bureau would then have authority to detect "propaganda." Hoover, FDR, Secretary of State Cordell Hull meet, map out plan, FDR telling Hull that the ends of crippling Communism was worth the means of a sneaky move. In other words, Hoover, Hull and more importantly, FDR conspired to deceive Congress. Further, Hoover betrayed his own 1924 pledge to Stone. The 1916 measure intended closed-ended, limited investigations related to foreign affairs, not the extended, domestic political probe apparently Hoover, FDR, and Hull had in mind. Hoover publicly stated his understanding of the President's position was "a broad picture of the general movement and its activities as they may affect the economic and political life of the country as a whole Roosevelt era of intelligence gathering. Hoover essentially picked up where he left off in 1924, set up a broad informer program, and resumed collecting files.

1937 � Marijuana Tax Act passed Congress, providing for required permits, rarely given out, to grow Hemp. "The World's Most Profitable and Desirable Crop" article in Mechanical Engineering magazine published reporting a resurgence of Hemp industry, alas too late. Nylon and sulfuric acid paper process both patented by duPont, after Marijuana Tax Act in place. Ford continues, in spite of law, to grow Hemp for fuel, plastics, etc. Franco sends emissary to London to arrange financing of the fascist rebellion. Working agreement reached to merge Hitler's Germany and America. Hitler sends two representatives, America sends seven, including at least one congressman as well as business and political leaders.

1938 � McCormick-Dickstein hearings finally released, though on a limited basis. SEC hearings into Nazi ownership of American I.G. Teagle joins with American I.G. to work with Standard, duPont, and GM to get Tetraethyl lead fuel to Nazis (needed for combat aircraft) also supplied Japan. Teagle, through Farrish, staffed Standard Oil tankers with Nazi crews; registered the tankers through Panama. Carried oil to Tenerife in the Canary Islands where it was transferred to German tankers. "Billion Dollar Crop" article printed in "Popular Mechanics" magazine about the benefits of Hemp, published after Marijuana tax act of 1937. Japanese are funding NTS network. NTS couriers carry Japanese diplomatic passports, issued from Japanese controlled Manchuria. Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic act passed. Shifted burden of proof of safety to manufacturer of a substance. Hoover, addressing American Legion audience, states "Fascism has always grown in the slimy wastes of Communism. Our democratic institutions cannot exist half American and half alien in spirit ... " Hoover also urges a continuation, even an expansion, of what he called "counter-espionage activities" cut the requested Bureau intelligence appropriation by half, and adopted Hoover's suggestion of continuing use of the State Department to circumvent congressional obstacles.

1939 � Hitler starts WWII in Europe. George Mooney, GM's man at Opel meets with Emil Puhl (BIS and Reichsbank) and Goring assistant Helmuth Wohlthat and agrees to secure American gold for the Nazis. Contacts Ambassador Joseph Kennedy who agrees to try and get gold. Roosevelt refused. I.G. Farben now supplies 90% of Germany's foreign exchange, 95% of imports, & 85% of military and commercial goods. American I.G. (who owned General Aniline, Agfa, Ansco photographic film manufacturers,) convinces the American military to use their films and processing when they took pictures of bases. They copied photographs of our secret installations and sent them to Berlin. Just before his death, Pope Pius XI prepared cyclical strongly denouncing Fascism. He died before he could deliver it. Pacelli voted in as Pope Pius XII. Claimed he was anti-Nazi, but statements in that regard all but absent. Two points of view about Pius XII's silence about Nazi viciousness: Had he spoke up against Nazis, Church might have been destroyed by Nazis. Since he didn't, though, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions more lives might have been lost. Hudal holds Golden Nazi Party membership badge. He had been known as pro-Nazi since 1930. He had also held Vatican office since then, including working with the Vatican's Holy Office, which censored books and educational material. In spite of his public pro-Nazi stance, Hudal was promoted from Priest to Titular Bishop in 1933, an extremely rare honor for a rector of a teaching college. Hudal, despite official denial, was apparently close to Pope Pius XII, their relationship going back to 1924. Hitler announces Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. Kurt Jahnke, Ribbentrop's security chief who also worked with the British, trying to establish German/British alliance against the Soviet Union. Plans to remove Hitler after pact. Vatican stands by to pass information should hostilities break out. Pius XII asked to be intermediary between Germans and British. A group of conspirators formed to overthrow Hitler is known as "The Black Orchestra" and is headed by Jahnke and Admiral Canaris. Catholic lawyer Dr. Joseph Muller joins as a courier to the Vatican. In November, Muller reports Pope is ready to help. Presidential directive (in September) gave FBI and J. Edgar Hoover an open-ended intelligence mission unrelated to law enforce-ment. Attorney General Frank Murphy urged FDR to concentrate " ... all espionage, counter-espionage, and sabotage matters" must be concentrated in the FBI and army and navy intelligence. Bureau's primacy over other domestic agencies stressed by reason of its investigative capacity, plus its file holdings. FDR goes along with it. Bureau assumes it has a carte blanche power, even though it was never authorized. In June, FDR issues statement asking all police officers, sheriffs, other law enforcement agents to turn over to the FBI any evidence of sabotage, subversive activity, and violations of neutrality laws. Hoover sees nothing wrong with Nazism, he maintains contacts with top German officials even after Hitler came to power, exchanging information with them. Hoover, during the war, made a few Nazi spy arrests, mostly falsely. Most of Nazi agents either volunteered information, were defectors, or were based on investigations done by other agencies. Bureau suppressed these facts for the greater glory of the Bureau. Postwar Rosenberg case, Rudolph Abel case developed in same way, though publicized by Bureau of Counterintelligence. Hoover institutes "Custodial Detention Program" for detention of individuals with "strong Communist (or Nazi) tendencies, whose presence at liberty in the country in time of war or national emergency, would constitute a menace to the public peace and safety of the United States Government." Criteria for listing were interpreted to include those who distribute printed material favorable to foreign interests and hostile to "The American Way of Life," as well as agitators of "internal strife" and "hatreds." To keep program secret, Hoover instructed agents to work under the cover of the "Foreign Agents Registration Act." Standard Oil of New Jersey agents Emil Helfferich and Karl Lindemann are authorized to write checks to Hitler's SS chief Heinrich Himmler on a special Standard Oil account. The account is managed by German-British-American banker Kurt Von Schroeder. This continues until 1944.

Originally posted by LAW
Here Junglejake is a short history lesson of the dealing of how the second world war was funded and by whom.

aargh...This isn't what I'm looking for. Is the reason nobody is posting any info on the FIRST POST, on where it came from, because there is none? Was it all a ploy, (s)he just took what happened here, and made it appear that hitler (lack of capitalization intentional) did exactly what bush did? I know about the war on terror that took place in Germany, I don't know if hitler went about it the way described. Please if someone has that info, post it!

so sorry, mis understood what you were looking for

Originally posted by LAW
so sorry, mis understood what you were looking for

It's no problem, thanks for the detailed info. It's just that that's the second time that type of info has been posted, and I'm feeling a little stonewalled. Didn't mean to snap like that

try this to start

prop1.org...

Reichstag fire, burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers. Hitler had secured the chancellorship after the elections of November 1932, but his Nazi Party had not won an overall majority. He therefore obtained Cabinet consent to fix new elections for March 5, 1933. Meanwhile, his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is supposed to have devised the scheme whereby 10 agents led by Karl Ernst were to gain access to the Reichstag through a tunnel leading from the official residence of Hermann Goring, Reichstag president and Hitler's chief minister, who was then to conduct an official investigation, which would fix responsibility for the fire on the Communists. The supposed arsonist was a Dutchman, Marinus van der Lubbe, whom some have claimed was brought to the scene of the crime by Nazi agents. Others have contended that there was no proof of Nazi complicity in the crime, but that Hitler merely capitalized on van der Lubbe's independent act. The fire is the subject of continued debate and research.


On Feb. 28, 1933, the day after the fire, Hitler's dictatorship began with the enactment of a decree "for the Protection of the People and the State," which dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights. Though the ensuing elections still did not give the Nazis an outright majority, they were able to persuade the Reichstag to pass an Enabling Act (March 23) whereby all its legislative powers were transferred to the Reich Cabinet by a vote of 444 to 94, so sanctioning the dictatorship. A feature of the ensuing arson trial, at which van der Lubbe was convicted, was the acquittal of the Bulgarian Communist Georgi Dimitrov after a strong defense.

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On March 2, Hitler was asked by a corespondent of the Daily Express whether the suspension of liberties was permanent. He answered in the negative saying that full rights would be restored as soon as the Communist danger was over. The reality was that the decree of February 28th established what would become the normal order of things under National Socialism - arrest on suspicion, imprisonment without trial, the horrors of the concentration camps. This condition would persist until the end of the Third Reich.

Immediately after its promulgation the decree was turned against the real and fancied enemies of the Nazi Party. In the last weeks of the election campaign the Marxist press was silenced. The Social Democrats found it impossible to campaign effectively and even respected Center party politicians like former Reich Chancellor Heinrich Bruning had their meetings broken up by brownshirted SA thugs. Despite this the Nazi Party fell far short of the two thirds majority needed to change the constitution. Hitler now showed his contempt for the rule of law by turning the decree of February 28th against those states where significant opposition still existed. Using the argument that local authorities were unable to maintain order, which was in the main being disrupted by drunken brownshirts and SS members, the government replaced the legally constituted governments of Wurttemburg, Baden, Bremen, Hamburg, Lubeck, Saxony, Hessen and Bavaria. Soon, with the support of the Center, Catholic and Bavarian Peoples Parties, the Nazis gained the passage of the Enabling Act, and Adolf Hitler on the afternoon of March 23rd, became the supreme dictator of Germany, free from any restraint from his cabinet or the aged President Hindenburg and free to mold Germany into the nightmare state of his darkest dreams.

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Reichstag Fire TV show, Hitlers 9/11 Fake terror to grab control!
by xx Saturday January 11, 2003 at 11:43 PM


This ia a history channel video Clip about the Reichstag Fire and the proof that the fire was set by the NAZIs, blamed it on the communist to gain power.


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This ia a history channel video Clip about the Reichstag Fire and the proof that the fire was set by the NAZIs, blamed it on the communist to gain power.

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Burning of the German parliament building (Reichstag) in Berlin. Allegedly set by a Dutch communist, the fire was used by A. Hitler to turn public opinion against his opponents, especially the communists. He enacted a decree suspending constitutional protection of personal rights, which effectively began the Nazi Party dictatorship. The fire was widely believed to have been set by the Nazis themselves, while others have argued there was no proof of Nazi complicity; it remains the subject of debate and research

Reichstag Fire - Encyclopedia Britannica - Reichstag fire, burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers...his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is supposed to have devised the scheme... On Feb. 28, 1933, the day after the fire, Hitler's dictatorship began with the enactment of a decree "for the Protection of the People and the State," which dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights.

The Problem Reaction Solution Paradigm (The Hegelian Dialectic)

1) The government creates or exploits a problem blaming it on others

2) The people react by asking the government for help willing to give up their rights

3) The government offers the solution that was planned long before the crisis

Whew. Thanks, Law! That's actually a relief. Although the events were simmilar, hitler went about it in a much more extream manner.

Something interetsing to note, Bush probably could have done the same thing, but chose, or possibly didn't even think(to the credit of his character), to do that to the US.

Yes, several of our freedoms are on hold, but if any of you have been watching C-Span or any senate and house...erm..get togethers(sorry, can't think of the right word) about the patriot act, when that thing comes up for a continuance vote, it is going to be completely blown out of the water.

When our sick anti-freedom friend Ashcroft went before a house board to defend the act, all he would say is "yes, it's been helping." When prompted for examples, he simply said I can't disclose those. The person heading the commitee, a republican (I can't remember who it was), said to Ashcroft that with the evidence he had presented before that body, he couldn't imagine how the patriot act could be renewed, much less have it's powers extended, and he would make a point of voting it out of existance at his first chance. A time I am really looking forward to

Bush has not witheld your freedom yet because today our media coverage would shoot him dowm, but wait until you have biometric tracking id's. They will have total control over every bit of your life and you will be penalised if you dont fit the criteria they want.

They have already created the fear that Hitler did and thats why that have had two wars ( afganistan and Iraq) in the pretense of terrorism and no one has said no to him and still the man hasn't found Osama, WMD Or Sadam.

I think that if you read the links below you will se what this is all about and how they are using terror to manipulate what we see and hear in the press to give them the free rain to do as they please and in your name.

www.btinternet.com...

mywebpages.comcast.net...


www25.brinkster.com/themindreader/pastOil.htm


All the best

Law

Originally posted by LAW
Bush has not witheld your freedom yet because today our media coverage would shoot him dowm, but wait until you have biometric tracking id's. They will have total control over every bit of your life and you will be penalised if you dont fit the criteria they want.

Thankfully, my faith causes me to believe that will be an aspect of the mark of the beast, and as a result I will refuse if I'm still here, and die if I must. No fear here for that one

Lets all hope that we are wise enough to see it coming. It could be something that's put in the water, a flu vacine etc...

Originally posted by LAW
Lets all hope that we are wise enough to see it coming. It could be something that's put in the water, a flu vacine etc...

Again, by my faith, the Bible says the mark of the beast will be required to buy or sell. Refuse this mark, for it will condemn you and there will be no turning back. This obviously is a paraphrase, but the idea is there. If it was hidden in something, it would be difficult to refuse.

As for the flu vaccine, I never get em, because I don't get sick .