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All Christians should back Isreal's would be nuclear showdown

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posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 08:06 PM
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According the book of Joshua, chapter 1 verse 18
"If anyone rebels against your orders and does not obey every command you give him, he shall be put to death. But be firm and steadfast."

Brothers and sisters, these are the words of our God to Joshua when he took over for Moses when he died. Please tell me why or why not I am wrong. Tell me why this would be wrong to expand Isreal's border to what God has mandated........




posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 08:13 PM
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For one thing, Christians are not necessarily Jews. Christians are not obligated to follow Mosaic law, nor listen to Joshua who is now deceased anyway.

Christians follow the example of Jesus and nothing more.



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by ben91069
For one thing, Christians are not necessarily Jews. Christians are not obligated to follow Mosaic law, nor listen to Joshua who is now deceased anyway.

Christians follow the example of Jesus and nothing more.


ben91069, well said!!! If you care, I voted you for way above top secret for January.

I might add to your reply that I believe that the New Testament frequently teaches the Old Testament; that is, the New Testament is predominant, with a dominant theme of peace and love.

Peace and Love to All!!! God Bless All!!!



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by GreatTech
I might add to your reply that I believe that the New Testament frequently teaches the Old Testament; that is, the New Testament is predominant, with a dominant theme of peace and love.

Peace and Love to All!!! God Bless All!!!


How is the easiest way to say it GT? The OT becomes new again through Christ. Thanks for the vote. Your friendship is more than enough for me though.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 05:09 AM
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Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
Please tell me why or why not I am wrong.


Would Jesus advocate the death and destruction of any human? There is your fallacy, friend. No true Christian can allow Israel to harm any human.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by DJMessiah

Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
Please tell me why or why not I am wrong.


Would Jesus advocate the death and destruction of any human? There is your fallacy, friend. No true Christian can allow Israel to harm any human.


What about the battle that Jesus leads told to us in Revelations. God has mandated war many times over in the Old Testiment. He has angels commissioned for battle. Isn't it far to say that if a nation rises up and breaks nuclear treaty that act is an act of war? If Isreal is to remain solvent isn't it correct for her to defend her present borders? And that God would take the side of Isreal?

By the way I am very glad to see the posters that I read posting on this thread. I really want to get past this question and this is helping me.

[edit on 7-1-2007 by ConstantlyWondering]



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by ben91069
For one thing, Christians are not necessarily Jews. Christians are not obligated to follow Mosaic law, nor listen to Joshua who is now deceased anyway.

Christians follow the example of Jesus and nothing more.


Romans 9:24
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Christians and Jews are of the same God. God's mandates are for Jews and Christians from what I read. The Mosaic law has fundamentals that we are all obligated to follow like the ten commandments. If God has rescinded his mandate about Isreal's border described in Joshua 1 then I need to see it because I have missed it.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by GreatTech

Originally posted by ben91069
For one thing, Christians are not necessarily Jews. Christians are not obligated to follow Mosaic law, nor listen to Joshua who is now deceased anyway.

Christians follow the example of Jesus and nothing more.


ben91069, well said!!! If you care, I voted you for way above top secret for January.

I might add to your reply that I believe that the New Testament frequently teaches the Old Testament; that is, the New Testament is predominant, with a dominant theme of peace and love.

Peace and Love to All!!! God Bless All!!!


It is love too that will bring about the last battle and final judgement. When every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord. Let me tell you that battle is very bloody. Revelations 19 says that Jesus is leading this future battle. This is another battle mandated by God.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 10:21 AM
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It's a war and many will die and suffer. I find it hard to believe that believers in a god want this to happen regardless of any religion. I don't believe in a god or religion and I can see that it's wrong. Hmmm. Who says religion and war don't coexist?



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 12:01 PM
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yes, let the christians ignore their message of peace and love so they can move toward a war that will involve nuclear weapons and could possibly spark region-wide conflict that western nations such as the USA will no doubtly take part in on the side of israel...

marching ever onward towards nuclear war....

why is it that some christians want to speed up the end of the world?

[edit on 1/7/07 by madnessinmysoul]



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
If Isreal is to remain solvent isn't it correct for her to defend her present borders?

This is a very different scenario than what you proposed in the opening post.


Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
Tell me why this would be wrong to expand Isreal's border to what God has mandated........

I don't think any Christian would be required to help Isreal expand territory. How can a Christian support killing someone to take their land? To be quite honest, I think wanting to expand borders to gain land (field) is coveting. Between murder and coveting your neighbour's land, 2 of the commandments are being broken.

I'm not feeling a Christian duty to abet these sins.

As for defense, Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek, love our enemies, do good for those who hate us etc....



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by I See You
It's a war and many will die and suffer. I find it hard to believe that believers in a god want this to happen regardless of any religion. I don't believe in a god or religion and I can see that it's wrong. Hmmm. Who says religion and war don't coexist?


Not me and not the bible....



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
yes, let the christians ignore their message of peace and love so they can move toward a war that will involve nuclear weapons and could possibly spark region-wide conflict that western nations such as the USA will no doubtly take part in on the side of israel...

marching ever onward towards nuclear war....

why is it that some christians want to speed up the end of the world?

[edit on 1/7/07 by madnessinmysoul]



Seeking answers from Christians. Atheist need not aply. Thanks


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[edit on 8/1/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Duzey

Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
If Isreal is to remain solvent isn't it correct for her to defend her present borders?

This is a very different scenario than what you proposed in the opening post.


Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
Tell me why this would be wrong to expand Isreal's border to what God has mandated........

I don't think any Christian would be required to help Isreal expand territory. How can a Christian support killing someone to take their land? To be quite honest, I think wanting to expand borders to gain land (field) is coveting. Between murder and coveting your neighbour's land, 2 of the commandments are being broken.

I'm not feeling a Christian duty to abet these sins.

As for defense, Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek, love our enemies, do good for those who hate us etc....


The refering chapter is Joshua chapter 1, you didn't read your bible before you posted so you go to the back of the line. Please studied Christians should post ONLY........thanks!

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[edit on 8/1/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
Seeking answers from Christians. Atheist need not aply. Thanks


sorry
but when you say that people should back up a NUCLEAR SHOWDOWN you make the discussion open

hell, just discussion of war makes a discussion open



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 03:31 PM
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We must stick behind the Israelis, they are still God's people, even though they don't believe in Jesus right now, they will realize he is the true messiah.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
Seeking answers from Christians. Atheist need not aply. Thanks


sorry
but when you say that people should back up a NUCLEAR SHOWDOWN you make the discussion open


Once again you are misleading and throwing us of track. I wrote "Christians should" not just people. Please feel free to ignore Christian post since you aren't one. Thanks


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[edit on 8/1/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
We must stick behind the Israelis, they are still God's people, even though they don't believe in Jesus right now, they will realize he is the true messiah.


israel is a nation
not a group of people
backing a nation's actions don't necassarily constitute backing up the people of that nation

and CW, you are right that you said "CHRISTIAN'S SHOULD"
but you never outlined that this is a christian exclusive thread
i think christian's shouldn't back israel's actions here
that's my opinion
and it's just as valid as a christian's in this thread



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 04:30 PM
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posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 04:33 PM
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