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Who were in the Pentagon west wing? Looking for the lost 2.3 Trillion dollars?

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posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 07:19 AM
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Okay, this freaks me out!

First off, Donald Rumsfeld announced on 10. September 2001 that the Pentagon has lost 2.3 Trillion dollars. A rather large sum of money, yet this story quietly dissapeared. Here's a link to a CBS story on it:
The War On Waste - CBS News

Now I'm watching a video called 9/11: A Conversation With Jim Fetzer, and he is repeating this story about the lost trillions, but then goes on to say something that totally blows my mind: "The two units that were actually impacted by the plane/missile that hit the Pentagon happened to be the Office of Naval Intelligence and a group of accountants who were trying to track down the $2.3 Trillion"

Fetzer appears to be associated with the 911 Scholars For Truth but their website is so massive I can't track down the source on this information. Have any of you ever heard this before? Can it be confirmed?

[edit on 6-1-2007 by DrLeary]




posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 09:08 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

and I have posted on it extensively with a lot of figures, names and numbers.
However I can't find it with the new Conspiracy Search feature.

EDIT : --- when searching with these terms :
" trillion dollar Rumsfeld Pentagon "

You will get a LOT of hits.
Conspiracy Search is on the upmost black banner in this ATS window btw.


[edit on 6/1/07 by LaBTop]



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by LaBTop
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and I have posted on it extensively with a lot of figures, names and numbers.
However I can't find it with the new Conspiracy Search feature.

EDIT : --- when searching with these terms :
" trillion dollar Rumsfeld Pentagon "

You will get a LOT of hits.
Conspiracy Search is on the upmost black banner in this ATS window btw.


[edit on 6/1/07 by LaBTop]


I'm not questioning the lost money, that is commonly known, I'm wondering if it's true that the people who were killed at the Pentagon were the same people who were investigating the dissappearance of the money. Didn't see anything about who these people were in the thread tou linked to.



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 10:02 AM
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Like I said, I've posted on it REALLY extensively.
Try search my posts.
I included my member name and nothing came up, however I'm convinced it is in some thread.
Try somewhere in the last 2 years of my posts.
There are a lot of pages in that Conspiracy Search, I only looked the first 10.
Have no time now, must go, sorry.



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 10:19 AM
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I'm thankfull for your help, but as you say this search feature is quite hopeless. I can find all the threads you've posted to since way back, but they are nearly all in the '9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon' thread which is 4019 posts long and the search engine always links to the first page of the thread!
Can't sift through all those posts.

Using the Conspiracy Search I found something:



Most of those killed in the attack were in the Naval Operations Center, which housed the Office of Naval intelligence, a rival of the CIA. [43]

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[43] Navy Command Center, The Washington Post

Popular Mechanics' Assault on 9/11 Truth


But on The Washington Post website I can only search for 2006 and 2007. Maybe somebody with a subscription can help me find the article that is referred to?



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 10:25 AM
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but I have posted much more on it, however this gives a lot of links already.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
The Complete 9/11 Timeline ( interactive ).
It's this post :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And this post in the same thread gives a possible answer why the ONI offices were targeted in the Pentagon :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

They were btw in the most far away from impact, C-ring, against the wall of the ring road inside, where the "exit" hole was....

Here is more :
Planned Pentagon hit ? :
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is the one I meant.

"" Angela's Commander called at 2 p.m. and confirmed the worst. Angela Houtz was in a C-ring meeting with 17 other top-level Pentagon analysts, investigators and generals who had just gathered to dissect the ongoing Trade Towers attack when Flight 77 plowed through two outer rings before engulfing the room where they met. "She was working in the big leagues for the Joints Chiefs of Staff," stated Commander David Radi, Angie's boss for over a year. ""

"" 1 General was killed at 9/11..... And the article talks about generals. And they were in the C-ring, with 2 other rings between them and the incoming plane.
If so, that must have been meticulous planning, to eliminate them so far from the Pentagon walls. It must have been VERY close to that famous circular EXIT HOLE.
Only a rain of very fast moving depleted-uranium particles or a nearby shape-charged explosion could have secured the outcome of a planned assassination attack on ONI analysts and Army accounting and auditing personnel in the way of possible 9/11 planners. ""



[edit on 6/1/07 by LaBTop]



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 03:16 PM
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Sweet! I'll dig into it. Thanks for the help!



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 04:03 PM
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One thing I had been thinking about since I learned of the "missing" money.

Did it really come up suddenly missing during the 9/11 events?

Or was it missing for some time before that, and in the confusion of the events that day the evidence had been lost?



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 10:00 PM
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There was no lost money. He said it was unaccounted for. What he was talking about was that due to problems in the system and red tape it takes so long to account for the spending that they are behind by 2.3 trillion dollars. That does not mean the money is lost or will not be accounted for, just that we need to fix the system so the backlog isn't that big.

2.3 trillion dollars is about 6 years worth of defense budget. That much money is simply not available at one point of time. For that to be true it would mean that no employees or contractors working for the Defense dept would have been paid for the last 6 years. Do you really think that no one has been paid for 6 years and everyone is just keeping quiet about it?

It's a quote not only being altered, but being taken out of context as many 9/11 cult tabloids like to do.



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by snoopy
2.3 trillion dollars is about 6 years worth of defense budget.


Has nothing to do with people being paid, and defense budget. Has everything to do with the black/covert gov't and the huge sums of money it requires to operate.



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by SteveR

Has nothing to do with people being paid, and defense budget. Has everything to do with the black/covert gov't and the huge sums of money it requires to operate.


And once again, that much money does not exist at once. In order to get that much money, they would have to not pay anyone for 6 years. No matter what you fantasize it went to. This isn't magical money that grows on trees, it's accounted for. That amount is about 6 years worth of spending, including all the classified stuff.

And more importantly, the quote has been altered to mislead people into thinking that he lost the money. And that's not what he said. It's simply the case of a conspiracy web site trying to con people.



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by snoopy
It's simply the case of a conspiracy web site trying to con people.


Are you a disinfo agent?


The shadow government does consume vast amounts of money, that is true, whether or not this is a case of it, I can only guess. You may be right about that sum not existing.

I found the following quotes from the OP's link interesting to say the least.


$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.

"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.



Another critic of Pentagon waste, Retired Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, commanded the Navy's 2nd Fleet the first time Donald Rumsfeld served as Defense Secretary, in 1976.

In his opinion, "With good financial oversight we could find $48 billion in loose change in that building, without having to hit the taxpayers."



posted on Jan, 6 2007 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by snoopy
It's simply the case of a conspiracy web site trying to con people.


Are you a disinfo agent?


The shadow government does consume vast amounts of money, that is true, whether or not this is a case of it, I can only guess. You may be right about that sum not existing.

I found the following quotes from the OP's link interesting to say the least.


$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.

"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.



Another critic of Pentagon waste, Retired Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, commanded the Navy's 2nd Fleet the first time Donald Rumsfeld served as Defense Secretary, in 1976.

In his opinion, "With good financial oversight we could find $48 billion in loose change in that building, without having to hit the taxpayers."




Of course you didn't bother to use the real quote which would prove you to be a fraud. Yes the money is gone and spent, and the problem is that it takes so long to account for it that they don't know until years later.

Keep trying to mislead people into believing that an imaginary amount of money just vanished at once. Don't talk to me about disinfo.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by snoopy
Of course you didn't bother to use the real quote which would prove you to be a fraud.


Ok, hurts now!


Originally posted by snoopy
Yes the money is gone and spent, and the problem is that it takes so long to account for it that they don't know until years later.


Great, another Government apologist. You swallow it hook, line, and sinker.


Originally posted by snoopy
Keep trying to mislead people into believing that an imaginary amount of money just vanished at once.


Nothing in my previous posts referred to it "vanishing at once". Nor am I presenting any case or misleading anyone. I invite people to look into these matters themselves. Unfortunately, that's something you're failing to do.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by SteveR

Nothing in my previous posts referred to it "vanishing at once". Nor am I presenting any case or misleading anyone. I invite people to look into these matters themselves. Unfortunately, that's something you're failing to do.


Clearly you have NOT looked into matters or you would have an understanding of what the guy was saying. Maybe instead of spending your time on thinking of cute little ways to insult people who don't fall for this crap names, you could actually research it and educate yourself on the matter. Myabe you should look into why the publisher of the article in the OP actually misquoted Bush so as to completely mislead people. THAT is what a lie is. Not pointing out that that money is more than 6 years worth of the entire defense budget and never existed at any one time.

Since you keep saying I am lying, let's see you go prove how that much money could have existed at once. Show us the budget records of where that much money at once existed. Show us how they managed to pay employees and contractors if someone stole 6 years worth of their entire budget. Come on mr Truth, show us. Since I am such a disinfo agent, expose me.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 03:59 AM
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It would be impossible for $2.3 trillion to simply vanish. It's a matter of poor accounting records, or records that aren't user friendly to sort through.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 06:53 AM
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Six years worth of money? Are they really that bad at keeping track of their spendings???
I mean, just about every other business does yearly revisions and balancing of the books, but these guys are allowed to go six years? I agree with snoops statement that this is very likely not one lump of money, but rather the accumulative spendings over a period of time, but that doesn't make it any less outrageous in my opinion. That was tax payer money, so we ought to know atleast roughly what they are spending it on. As for SteveR's suggestion that some of it was used to prepare and plan for 9/11, who can say it wasn't? If these numbers include black op's budgets then we will never know.

I'm more interested in the ONI and the accountants though. If the people investigating this were the same people killed by the impact, then I say it ads to the 'inside job' theory...



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 07:16 AM
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Snoopy, how much research have you done?
Please watch this short youtube clip Rumsfeld grilled about missing trillions

Then, after you spend five minutes educating yourself on the trillions missing, that is not missing, it just cant be found, you should read a little on Chuck Spinney.
Its your/our money, and to dismiss the fact that trillions is unaccounted for seems dubious.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 01:46 PM
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they embezzled 2.3 trillion dollars and admitted it, one day before 9/11, the money wasn't erased of course, the pentagon just did not wish to disclose where it actually went.


next day, the media has soemthing bigger to cover...

PS: the Enron case files were stored in WTC7, no physically seperated backup was availablw, *wink nudge* so it's safe to say that the system once again managed to conceal its true mode of operation, probably very much like in JFK's case.



posted on Jan, 7 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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Good post, Long Lance!

Now that sounds like a worthy avenue of investigation.

You know what they always say...

"Follow the Money" in this case it's "Find out where the money REALLY went"







 
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