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Mexicans Getting Social Security, WTF!

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posted on Jan, 4 2007 @ 09:27 PM
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The below article has Mexicans getting Social Security, whether working here Leagally or ILLEGALLY.......
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WTF?!??!

I don't give a damn if ILLEGALS pay taxes, do the right thing,....THEY ARE ILLEAGAL!!! And entitled to nothing.
Maybe once we stop this BullSh*t of protecting the Illegal over the actual CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY, we can get things right.

I do not give a damn how bad things are in your country, come here you are a criminal. HELL, in my mind you are an INVADER, who sould be shot on site!!!

If you are here on asylum, then I will help you. BUT..if you are here ILLEGALLY, we do not owe you SH*T! Those who say all ILLEGALS can not be deported, are lying!!!

Simple solution...Illegals have 90 days to turn themselves in and be deported. After that, any ILLEGAL in the US, will work the jobs AMERICANS don't want to do. But will work them for FREE on Prision farms. If they don't register and leave with in those 90 days then they are our prison labor to work off whatever term deemed fit. They will not be paid, and no money will be sent back to MEXICO!!!
Anyone deported, found again in the US will be on a work farm for life, with no pay.

The border is to be closed! Anyone coming across ILLEGALLY, we will SHOOT first and ask questions later!

Why do WE pussyfoot around this when the Mexican Govt, is HELPING illegals cross??

We need to tell the Mexican Govt, STOP THIS SH*T!!, or we will take you over. What should that take, 2 days at most!!

Simple solution...if theMexican Govt, continues to support the ILLEGAL crossing of it's citizens, then the US should go in and take over it's OIL. Short of being attacked directly, there is no major National Secutiy issue than the flow of OIL!!!

I think it is a fair trade,,,we take the ILLEGALS, but we get ALL of Mexico's Oil!!!!




posted on Jan, 4 2007 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by CSRules
I do not give a damn how bad things are in your country, come here you are a criminal. HELL, in my mind you are an INVADER, who sould be shot on site!!!


that is just horrible
honestly, all they did was come here to escape squallor
people who have no way to go throguh the legal channels, because the legal ones are limited in the numbers



If you are here on asylum, then I will help you. BUT..if you are here ILLEGALLY, we do not owe you SH*T! Those who say all ILLEGALS can not be deported, are lying!!!

we owe them for the man hours they put in

and no, we can't deport them
get rid of the legal issue
it would just be impossibly expensive and impractical
think about it
over 10 million people
scattered around
that could cost BILLIONS



Simple solution...Illegals have 90 days to turn themselves in and be deported. After that, any ILLEGAL in the US, will work the jobs AMERICANS don't want to do. But will work them for FREE on Prision farms. If they don't register and leave with in those 90 days then they are our prison labor to work off whatever term deemed fit. They will not be paid, and no money will be sent back to MEXICO!!!
Anyone deported, found again in the US will be on a work farm for life, with no pay.


HOORAY FOR NEW SLAVERY
honestly, that's illegal under international law
what right do you have to take away someone's basic human rights?



The border is to be closed! Anyone coming across ILLEGALLY, we will SHOOT first and ask questions later!


yes, let's lower ourselves to the level of terrorists



We need to tell the Mexican Govt, STOP THIS SH*T!!, or we will take you over. What should that take, 2 days at most!!


yeah, let's see
how long have we been in iraq?



I think it is a fair trade,,,we take the ILLEGALS, but we get ALL of Mexico's Oil!!!!


please, tell me this is satire

don't you realize that no matter how these people got into the USA, they probably had no other option than squallor?

it figures, the people that actually try to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and conservatives want them out....

honestly, what's wrong with having a bigger work force?



posted on Jan, 4 2007 @ 10:36 PM
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CSrules, interesting input, but I do not agree with executing people. This topic has been discussed many time on the board.
Madnessinmysoul,
You concluding inquiry is " What is wrong with a bigger work force"

Nothing if those engaged are equally employed, treated equally.
Our illegal work force is humiliated.
Our legal work force are being held from jobs they could have occupied to support there families.

WIS



posted on Jan, 4 2007 @ 11:25 PM
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Oh yeah, let's ignore our existing laws and just let them ALL in. How about that?

But if that happens, I don't want their oil, I think we might as well just "annex" Mexico". That would solve some things I think!

Let's see what would happen if one of us U.S. citizens tried to sneak in and stay in Mexico illegally and collect any benefits that country might have. Fat chance.

You'd probably end up in a Mexican jail calling your mother to please come and try to get you out!

How about tomorrow we just all ignore any of our traffic laws and go rob some liquor stores? That's illegal too, but so what???


I don't agree with executeing anyone though. I blame our government for the mess with our "might as well be open border". As long as the temptation and opportunity if there the illegals will never stop pouring in.



posted on Jan, 4 2007 @ 11:45 PM
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CSR, how exactly do you figure that a person who pays into social security shouldn't be entitled to draw from it?

I come from a school of thought that says that my wages are my money, and that when I pay taxes I am making an investment in the public good in which I share.

The government does not have any right to take money from me for ends that have nothing to do with me. Beyond SCOTUS precedent etc you could infer that very simply from the preamble to the united states constitution- the rightful ends of American government are sufficiently limited there that I believe my position can be hung there.

If you pay into it, you should be able to draw from it, period. If you don't want illegals (Mexicans are not the issue- many of them are legal) to draw Social Security, here's an idea- focus on border policy so that they aren't paying into it. You can't say, "well they shouldn't be here, but since we can't stop them we're just going to steal from them and relegate them to second-class status."

Oh, and one more thing- please show a little restraint with your langage- it's against the rules to circumvent the censors. Many members occasionally flirt with the inappropriate for emphasis or humor, but a little discretion goes a long way.



posted on Jan, 4 2007 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


yes, let's lower ourselves to the level of terrorists



there are no terrorists, it's a ploy by the US government, dont you know that?


No illegal alien should be able to collect SS benefits since they are employers are not required to pay taxes on them.

nuff said.



posted on Jan, 4 2007 @ 11:52 PM
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In case you didn´t knew, illegal mexicans are also humans. The explotation and opression they suffer in your country plus the workforce they represent would be enough to at least make you think:
"Hey, we are really using them and treating them like crap, at least lets gave them social security, because after all, they are also humans"

The policies and views against mexicans have at their core hatred for the mexican people.

[edit on 4-1-2007 by Zeratul]



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by elaine
Oh yeah, let's ignore our existing laws and just let them ALL in. How about that?

your country does this all the time anyway



But if that happens, I don't want their oil, I think we might as well just "annex" Mexico". That would solve some things I think!

Who cares if you want it or not, you are a no one in the USA. And Mexico is already annexed, not formally tho.



Let's see what would happen if one of us U.S. citizens tried to sneak in and stay in Mexico illegally and collect any benefits that country might have. Fat chance.

You'd probably end up in a Mexican jail calling your mother to please come and try to get you out!

Major US corporations have been doing this in Mexico and other 3rd world countries since forever. Illegal practices, influence in politics, is there really a difference?




How about tomorrow we just all ignore any of our traffic laws and go rob some liquor stores? That's illegal too, but so what???

how about no, liquor is not essential to live



I don't agree with executeing anyone though. I blame our government for the mess with our "might as well be open border". As long as the temptation and opportunity if there the illegals will never stop pouring in.

blame also the mexican goverment



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by CSRules
The below article

Lets pause and take not that its an article from WorldNutDaily.
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WND is not a valid news source. They, flat out, make stuff up.


has Mexicans getting Social Security, whether working here Leagally or ILLEGALLY.......

If they are here legally they clearly deserve Social Security.WTF?!??!

I don't give a damn if ILLEGALS pay taxes, do the right thing,....THEY ARE ILLEAGAL!!! And entitled to nothing.
Its not a matter of the government saying 'well, you are illegal, but you pay taxes, so we will give you social security.' They are using social security numbers to pay their taxes, and all social security numbers are doled out social security.





hat, any ILLEGAL in the US, will work the jobs AMERICANS don't want to do. But will work them for FREE on Prision farms.

YOu say this as if there was even the slightest bit of ability to do it.

We've had republicans in control of every branch of federal government, and a large number of state governorships, and all that time, they've never set out to find and deport illegals. Thats because the only way to do that is to have police stop citizens on the street and demand that they hand over their original birth certificates. If they don't have it, they get thrown out.

There is NO ONE that wants that kind of stupidity going on, and its certainly not worth the effort, illegal aliens simply aren't anywhere near the problem that the news and politicians (who are only engaging in populist demagogery) make them out to be.


We need to tell the Mexican Govt, STOP THIS SH*T!!, or we will take you over. What should that take, 2 days at most!!

First, stop circumventing the censors on the website.
Second, in case you haven't noticed, the US hasn't proven capable of invading and successfully occupying a foreign country since WWII. And invading a country and starting a war over the mexican government handing out pamphlets that show people how to NOT DROWN in the Rio Grande is absurd.


madnessinmysoul
we owe them for the man hours they put in

We don't owe illegal aliens anything. If they want to be part of the system, then they need to register within the system, iow, legally enter the country.

honestly, that's illegal under international law

It is not illegal to have prisoners work. I disagree that we should round up illegals in teh first place, let alone then put them into labour camps, but its not illegal.


walkinsilence
Our legal work force are being held from jobs they could have occupied to support there families.

Not only that, but by virtue of their being illegal, they are open to predation by the worst elements of society. In florida, there are, now, today, in the 21st century, slave camps. Illegals are smuggled across the border, put into produce farming plantations, and forced to work with threats of death and violence if they try to leave or communicate with the outside world. IT wouldn't exist if there was a more sensible immigration policy.


elaine
Oh yeah, let's ignore our existing laws and just let them ALL in. How about that?

Rather, we should change our laws to make it easier to legally immigrate to the US.


xphilesphan
No illegal alien should be able to collect SS benefits since they are employers are not required to pay taxes on them.

Intersting, so you agree then, the illegals, who ARE paying taxes, they should be given ss benefits, since they've paid for them, regardless of whether they are citizens or not.



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 09:26 AM
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It doesnt matter. In a decade or two none of us will be getting it. We never should have ever gotten it. It was started as a temporary system to help us through the depression and no politician would kill it for fear of losing the vagrant vote.

Its total crap. I dont remember hearing about the bus loads of people dying in the streets before welfare, SS, federal aid, medicare or whatever happy little synonym you want to use for socialism.

Weve all forgotten how to take care of ourselves and stand on our own two feet. Im absolutely afraid for the future.



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 09:33 AM
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Is to worried about who it offends today instead of going on what it feels is best for it's nation. It has been that way since the Cold world thanks to the C.I.A. and an assasinated president that was so blatantly set up it is rediculous .. and why you might find yourself asking and the answer is; is because he was goign to break down the C.I.A. and make them all register and we know that will never happen. Besides there are/were so many double agents then ... and most likely still are ...



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Is to worried about who it offends today instead of going on what it feels is best for it's nation.


What are you talking about? The U.S., in the last 6 years, doesn't give a fig what the rest of the world thinks about us. Diplomacy has gone out of the window as well. The rest of the world hates us, don't you know that by now?

Anyway, about the topic: It's all moot anyway. In March of 2005, the leaders of Canada, U.S. and Mexico all signed an agreement to be linked together for trade, same as the E.U. It won't matter then. This is just one more step on the road to the North American Union.

They even have a govt website telling us how wonderful this will be. Can't think of the website now but will try to find it.



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by forestlady

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Is to worried about who it offends today instead of going on what it feels is best for it's nation.


What are you talking about? The U.S., in the last 6 years, doesn't give a fig what the rest of the world thinks about us. Diplomacy has gone out of the window as well. The rest of the world hates us, don't you know that by now?


I am talking about the U.S. worrying about it's people ... When is the last time that you saw someone do what Edison ... and all the great people of the past went around doing whenever they were alive .. Building Libraries ... and putting up schools that would get people to be where we are today ... We lost that somewhere away ... and you know we lost it after the Cold War .... Whenever someone else took control of this country and since then we have been in Veitnam, Korea, Desert Storm ... And now .. here .... FOR WHAT ... Has it benefitted any of us /??? HELLLLLLLL NO ... That is what I meant when we lost what we feel is best for us ...



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 11:29 AM
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You know what... I've just had it. Our government does not represent it's people any more. They are traitors and should be put in jail. I'm so sick of Bush writing laws that are not in the best interest of the people who elected him.

I've been F'N robbed from for nearly 25 years by my own government. They have taken money out of my paychecks and have been putting it in social security all the while saying I'll get it back when I retire. They LIED to me.

I'll be lucky if I see a dime of it.

And now Bush has the gall to give my hard earned money to Mexican illegals... people who came into my country illegally. Who stole jobs from other Americans. And now we're going to reward them???

Bush is a traitor. He needs to be impeached and put in jail.

[edit on 5-1-2007 by mecheng]



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 11:41 AM
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Maybe its all being done on purpose to mobilize the Goldwater conservatives, Libertarians, Constituionalist and light a hot enough fire to cut back the size of the government once and for all. I mean, without absolute outrage no poilitician R, D or otherwise would ever cut back on handouts to vagrants and government arms reaching in everything from our births, our education, to our deaths. That would go against the interests of power mad politicians. Theyll never repeal a sure vagrant vote. Their are way more of them than there are honest, hardworking citizens of Constitution. A socialized society is forever dependent on the government and guarantees maintanence of the politicians way of life up there in the oligarchy. All at our expense.

Oh, the NAU? Thats already happened. Anytime they openly admit something its at least 5 years after it began. WWW.SPP.GOV



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by mecheng
You know what... I've just had it. Our government does not represent it's people any more. They are traitors and should be put in jail. I'm so sick of Bush writing laws that are not in the best interest of the people who elected him.

I've been F'N robbed from for nearly 25 years by my own government. They have taken money out of my paychecks and have been putting it in social security all the while saying I'll get it back when I retire. They LIED to me.

I'll be lucky if I see a dime of it.

And now Bush has the gall to give my hard earned money to Mexican illegals... people who came into my country illegally. Who stole jobs from other Americans. And now we're going to reward them???

Bush is a traitor. He needs to be impeached and put in jail.

[edit on 5-1-2007 by mecheng]


This is blasphemy of our government ... The reason they have those jobs is because none of you want them !!! Go get the jobs you want .. These illegal imigrants are the same as you and me trace your hertage back buddy .... They are not illegal to me if they are here earning a living working twice as many hours as you are working and barely making the same amount of money ...



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
This is blasphemy of our government ...

How do you figure? Bush is stealing from his own people to pay foreigners who illegally entered the country. I say that is traitorous.


The reason they have those jobs is because none of you want them !!!

You don't know me. I know plenty of Americans who lost jobs to illegal immigrants... My wife being one of them. All that crap about "Americans don't want those jobs" is just that, crap!


These illegal imigrants are the same as you and me trace your hertage back buddy

My grandmother and grandfather and my mother came to this country LEGALLY! They paid there dues and became citizens the proper and legal way. They didn't break in. And I'm not your buddy, pal.


They are not illegal to me if they are here earning a living working twice as many hours as you are working and barely making the same amount of money ...

They sure as hell are. In fact, I'll argue that besides breaking into our country, that is what makes them illegal... they are stealing jobs from hard working American (like my wife).

Oh, and now we'll just hand over my hard earned SS money. Get a clue "buddy".



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by CSRules
You are an INVADER, who sould be shot on site!!!



The native americans could have said the same about your ancestors. Should they have been shot??? And what about the americans who have invaded Iraq and Afganistan, should we shoot them too?



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by golddragnet
The native americans could have said the same about your ancestors. Should they have been shot??? And what about the americans who have invaded Iraq and Afganistan, should we shoot them too?


Nations have invaded and taken over other nations since the begining of time. I'm not saying I agree but you're missing the point here. The point is that we have an established country with elected officials who are sworn to uphold the constitution and do what's best for the people who elected them.

So, how is giving away our social security, money we've worked our entire lives for to help us out during retirement, money that most of us will probably never see, how is giving that money to people who broke into our country and stole jobs from other Americans doing us a service? How is that in the best interest of the American people?

I believe it is in the best interest of the Mexican people and is therefore traitorous.



posted on Jan, 5 2007 @ 12:18 PM
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posted by CSRules

The article has Mexicans getting Social Security, whether working here legally or illegally I don't give a damn if ILLEGALS pay taxes, do the right thing . . They are illegal!! And entitled to nothing. Maybe once we stop this BS of protecting the Illegal over the citizen of this country, we can get things right. Why do we pussyfoot around this when the Mexican Govt, is helping illegals cross?? I think it is a fair trade . . we take the illegal, but we get ALL of Mexico's Oil! [Edited by Don W]



To receive Social Security benefits, you must have 40 covered quarters of employment. Ten years. You must earn $1,800 per quarter for it to qualify as a “covered” quarter.

The amount of your retirement benefit - or survivors or disability benefit - is based on your earnings credited to your personal account. In 2006, the amount of wages subject to the OASI tax was $80,000. It was 1% on $2,400 in 1935. The maximum monthly SS benefit in 2006 was $1,800. Old Age and Survivors Insurance. The monthly benefits payable by Social Security are earned by the beneficiaries. Not one dime comes from the Federal Treasury. The Feds collect the money - called a tax - and hold it until you are ready for it. In the meantime the Feds pay interest on your money. It is wrong and disingenuous to imply that any person receiving Social Security is somehow ripping off the US taxpayers. His status as a citizen or non citizen is not relevant to the SS laws. It has always been possible for people to come here and work then retire back in their native lands. Many people in Eastern Europe did this just after WW2.

Social Security is a compulsory savings program. It was made attractive to employees because the OASI law requires employers to match the employee’s contribution. It is currently 6.2% of subject wages mentioned above. That means the employee’s account receives 12.4% of his wages per year, to be paid to him when he or she retires. It’s got nothing to do with anything where the person receive money he or she earned is now living. Self employed persons must pay the full 12.4%.


[edit on 1/5/2007 by donwhite]







 
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