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Originally posted by WiseSheep
Why should you? Everybody is free, free, free and more free to die and be bound in hell. What's the need in placing punishments if your walking in eternal death from the start?
No you won't, you'd have watched it already. You couldn't slap satan out of you long enough take to heart what the man has to say. If you'd have posted a link, I'd have watched it already.
Originally posted by queenannie38
Excellent point. And the choice as to whether to investigate pro-belief or con- is a personal one. I truly believe that any sincere investigation which truly wants to find out what is not known will have fruitful results. Unfortunately most people approach with an attachment to their pro or con choice - and they look to find reason instead of an answer to a question asked within themselves.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
you know, as much as i like debating evolution, i'd really like to see this thread get back on topic
Originally posted by melatonin
So believing that evolution is a valid explanation of the origin of species leads to hell. I don't remember that bit in the bible.
Originally posted by melatonin
It seems your god gave you the ability to read minds as well....not.
Originally posted by WiseSheep
What you will remember is that denying the creator will. Denying the truth will. That is if you've taken a verse of it to heart, seeing as how you flee from the truth and divert to useless arguments, you haven't.
He gave the ability to discern. In this case, it doesn't take a whole lot.
This whole thing is pointless. You won't see.
Originally posted by melatonin
That is your truth, I have mine.
Originally posted by melatonin
You asked me to watch a video, I promised I would, I suggested that maybe you could watch a Ken Miller one in response, then you go into a rant about me having satan in my heart. Way to make friends and influence people.
Originally posted by melatonin
I could have listened to it already, I could have seen how he spends a lot of time attacking buddhism and relying on claims that as jesus said he was divine, and no-one else claimed this, he must be divine, cos' he said so.
Originally posted by melatonin
your evangelising needs a bit of work, do they have lessons for that?
Originally posted by WiseSheep
Ahh, my truth, and your truth, and everybodies truth. It would amaze you to do a profile on the population of the earth at this point in time, and find how generic a comment that is. Really it's rather shocking. There is only one truth, not two, and not varying degrees of it. There's truth and lie, no middle ground.
I just stated the obvious, no rant. I'd a whole lot rather offend you and run you away from me pissed, and see you in heaven in the long run, than keep you all warm and fuzzy and have you roast for eternity. It takes more love to do what I'm doing than to keep you happy.
Yea you could have listened to enough of it to get your demons grumpy and shut it off too.
Originally posted by melatonin
Nah, I'm actually up to about 16 minutes....
Originally posted by WiseSheep
Thank you. Now I ask myself, why am I thanking you for doing something for your own good. Oh well.
Originally posted by melatonin
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
you know, as much as i like debating evolution, i'd really like to see this thread get back on topic
Well, a good thing to do this would be to ask why wisesheep thinks Gene Scott is worthy of praise.
He had no issues with homosexuality, abortion etc, seeing them as personal issues. However, he was pretty hot on the topic on tithing.
"I don't ask you to change when you come here," he told the congregation, according to a 1994 Los Angeles Times article. "I take you as you are, as God takes me as I am."
So, he seems to agree that christianity requires no change.
Originally posted by melatonin
.. your soul won't be thrown into a firey pit if you question his position.
Originally posted by melatonin
Gene Scott agrees that christianity requires no change.
Originally posted by WiseSheep
You can't change yourself, you are what you are.
When the Father singles you out of the heard and leads you to his son. Then you will start to change. If you don't display these signs, your a counterfeit. I can't even explain some of it, but it's just a "knowing".
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
that's inherently contradictory
what you are changes constantly
students become teachers
novices become adepts
the innocent become the guilty
the judged become judgemental
polar shifts like that happen all the time
what i am today is not what i was ten years ago
it's not what i was 10 months ago
it's hardly what i was 10 hours ago
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, that's a purely personal theological view
can't argue with someone's personal beliefs in this case
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
many different people have different views on religious salvation
Originally posted by WiseSheep
It isn't only my personal knowing. He said so (John 10:29-30).
True but there is only one way.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
honestly, i found the biggest positive change in my life when i dropped the shackles of religion and embraced the instinct of atheism that we are all born with
Originally posted by queenannie38
Actually, madness, I agree with all that you say except the last part - only because I can honestly say I wasn't born with an atheistic instinct. In fact, I was born with exactly the opposite instinct - but yet I do realize it is far more rare to have, based on observation and experience.
Originally posted by NowAmFound
Actually, we are all probably born more agnostic--not knowing or not having our minds made up. Silly, how can we actively not believe in something if we don't even know it possibly exists?