Seriously, i am very confused.

Is this a feeling shared by a certain radical christian group?

Is there something i am missing? I am not a good christian because i want to live in peace? And continue life so i can see my grandchildren?

What am i missing?

If someone could answer this question in plain English i would appreciate it.

Also, why is it that Bush still has a following and root for him to send additional troops? Are THEY the good people???
Am i the evil one for wanting peace and stabilization on this planet?
Like, can we talk?

Complex, because yours is a multi-layered post.

However, suffice to say, it's to be suspected that 'this administration' wishes US (we, the world's population) to become convinced the 'end is nigh', lol.

What's the first thing new recruits to the armed services are subjected to?

Right. They're 'broken' down. They're stripped of individuality.

Why?

Right. It's because once they're broken and stripped of individual thought and ego, they can be moulded into an homogenous 'fighting force' that will, just like a shoal of fish, dart obediently as one in whichever direction they're ordered.

Ok. Now you can see what is currently in progress: we're being 'broken'. We're being moulded into an homogenous 'shoal' or 'herd'. We are being rendered 'obedient'. We're being weeded of individual thinkers and actors.

How are recruits 'broken' ?

They're broken by deprivation of all the things they previously took for granted, such as individual right to make decisions, to act on impulse, to look after Number One, to go where they want when they want, to eat and sleep and play when they want, to arrange and assure their own privacy and safety and work and leisure, etc.

Currently, we're being systematically deprived of many 'rights' our parents and grandparent took for granted.

First we were dumbed down. Then we were programmed in self-indulgence, laziness, refusal to accept responsibility, childishness, etc.

Then we've been systematically discouraged from ensuring OTHERS are held accountable (as in the publicised (by whore-media) persecution, torture, death of whistle-blowers, etc).

The whore-media was constructed to feed us pap in the same way domestic animals were fed on their own sh*t.

And like those animals (now suffering from disease and infecting us with same) we are terminally sick.

So ..... sick, broken, confused, helpless, hopeless, impotent and basically stupid, we're now being stripped of the final barrier --- our faith and belief in benevolent 'gods'.

We're being programmed to accept the Rapture and other nonsense.

We're ripe for the slaughter.

They won't need box-cars and shackles.

They won't even need to dress us in monochromatic uniforms ala Mao.

We'll just shuffle and turn like fish, like cattle, on order.

And we'll accept our own bodily wastes as food and drink.

We're too stupid and deprived of basic life-force to appreciate the insult.

And that sort-of amuses and pleases those who've orchestrated such depravity. After all, they're so sated on luxury and paedophilia and blood-sacrifice that the only thing that titillates their senses these days is the challenge. And the challenge is: to totally destroy this planet and everything on it --- * in order to see if anything will try to stop them*.

What do you think?

Will anything or anyone try to stop them?

Willing to put money on it?

I'm not sure I am.

Dock, thank you for the answer, and i believe you have the right answer.

This is the "clearest" answer anyone has given me. My husband was a Marine and he told me all about the "breaking down process".

Your answer hit me like a bolt of lightning!!! I will keep this answer very close to me next time i wonder...because i wonder every day.

The only way i can see it is the human race #ed up. We #ed up since the begining. The natural instinct of the human race is to destroy, hasn't anyone noticed? If we keep growing we will keep destroying, even our own kind. The only way to stop it is to destroy the human race...

Nah, they're not orchestrating the end of the world.

Just remaking it in their own image.

BTW - great post Dock.

All true.

I posted this in another thread but it is relevant here too.

Read The Stargate Conspiracy. It is NOT related to the movie and TV show in any way.

The pieces of this puzzle have definitely come together for me - or at least I feel like I have all of them on the table! There are quite a few individuals within the US government that have some pretty whacked out ideas related to occult and 2012 kind of stuff.



Here's an excerpt from the book that I hope will whet your interest.

Beginning on page 251

Just like the New Egyptology and the Message of Cydonia, this is a scenario in which controversial 'alternative' events are intimately connected with, if not seemingly directed by, intelligence agencies. Moreover, these three strands, although each seemingly had independent origins, have gradually, but inexorably, been drawn together like three fish caught in the same tightening net. The pronouncements of the Nine have - through Hoagland and Myers - been integrated with the Message of Cydonia, and this in turn has been firmly welded to the mystery of the Egyptian civilization and the search for its lost secrets.

The same individuals play major parts in all three stories. The prime example is James Hurtak, the ultimate guru, who channels the Nine, was Puharich's second-in-command at Lab Nine, was the first person to make the Mars-Eqypt connection public, and was - and still is - also a major player in the events at Giza.

There is also the involvement in all three stories of SRI, as an organization with intimate connections with defense and intelligence communities in the United States. SRI crops up in Giza, in the Mars story, and, through its involvement with Puharich, in the events surrounding the Nine.

{snip}

This is a conspiracy of enormous proportions, so successful that it is impossible to pinpoint any one person or group as the real controllers, although we have catalogued those they use.

{snip}

There are two major elements in this gigantic, complex conspiracy. One is the apparent attempt to make contact with extraterrestrial intelligences - the Nine - using whatever means are available. The other is the exploitation of these contacts in order to promote a message. Like all propaganda, this does not depend on the reality of the communications, only on the belief that they are real. By why bother? What is the motive behind the business of the Nine?

There are several possible agendas:

1. A powerful cabal is trying to establish contact with ET's, either through a physical stargate or telepathic communication/possession, in other words, channelling. This would explain the involvement of official US agencies in the search for something momentous in Egypt. In this scenario, Puharich's attempt to establish contact with the Nine were based on the belief that they really are 'out there' but that mental communication is difficult and has to be 'encouraged' in likely trainees'.

2. The conspirators are deliberately building up an expectancy that such contact is about to happen. In this scenario, an entirely fictitious belief system has been constructed and disseminated through various sources.

3. Both of the above. The conspirators are trying to establish real contact, but are also engaged in a covert 'softening-up' exercise to prepare us for the imminent return of our creators, the ancient gods of Egypt.

There is a further possibility. The conspirators themselves could be being duped - by the Council of Nine. History is replete with cases of otherworldly visions and voices that may promise heaven, but who actually deliver something quite other - or, as Shakespeare put it:


And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
Win us with honest trifles, to betray's
In deepest consequence.


But never before have they had so many of the world's most powerful individuals in their insubstantial grip.

Always,
Shawnna

Speaker of Truth wrote: " 3) Pass draconian laws that may have unintended, by Bush, consequences. Oh, if there is anything that Bush has done, it has been this. "


Have to say that I do not believe Bush actually makes any decisions or enforces ANY thing !

Bush is a puppet. He is regarded as expendable. He mouths (badly and incorrectly, despite the visible prompts and those delivered via ear-piece) words dictated by others.

And those 'words' are deliberately simplistic and misleading, in accordance with the supposedly 'simple' sheep to whom the ACTUAL controllers dictate.

Bush's alleged 'Christianity' is simply one more divisive element in the brew.

As is this manufactured ' radical islam'.

Zionism and 'jews' are other divisive elements intended to distract.

The fact is, there have always been agendas by those who believe (often correctly) that humans require to be 'controlled'.

History is crammed with deliberately manufactured 'wars', in which millions of misinformed, very often brave and idealistic humans have truly suffered and died.

These wars have produced unimaginable profits and rewards for the instigators.

This current War on Terra is simply one more. As is the cynically devised War on Drugs.

Throughout history, large sections of populations have genuinely believed The End was near.

It doesn't end of course, although people's lives do.

There will be many other wars. Millions upon millions not yet born will suffer and die in those. At the time, they will ALSO be convinced that The End is imminent.

Then, as now, many of them will squirrel away supplies, intent upon surviving.

Then the lull.

Then another engineered 'war'.

Wars are used for population control, as much as to redraw maps and gain or regain territory and to gain wealth and power and control, etc.

Humans are regarded as mere 'cattle' on two legs. Humans are basically 'farmed' like domestic animals. Humans are regarded as erratic monkey-type creatures that cannot be allowed to determine their own lives.

To control humans, it's simply a matter of carrot and stick.

Bush isn't a monster; he's a pawn.

If it weren't Bush, it would be someone else.

If it hadn't been Hitler, it would have been someone else.

The war is decided upon, then the 'dictator' is selected.

Bush is as much captive to this current scenario as are the rest of us.

It would be a grave mistake to attribute our current situation to Bush. Poor thing doesn't know what he's saying or doing most of the time. He's on a bus that's (currently) refusing to let him off.

In fact, the alleged 'dumb Bushisms' --- if you ponder them -- make it obvious that some still-operating/half-decent part of Bush is trying to be heard; trying to counter the garbage put in his mouth by his controllers.

No, Bush is not the problem -- he's just the current mouthpiece; the 'instrument'.

We'd be stronger, actually, if we had less, not more population. We've become unweildly; too big to organise ourselves.

When 'they' have succeeded (and I fear they will) in reducing the world's population ---------- we will have a window of opportunity to become stronger, more cohesive and more effective.

If we lose or ignore or are rendered unable to organise at that point --- THEN we'll be in trouble !

But have no fear -- the world will not 'end'.

If it did, it would take all the fun (and profit) out of it for whomever, lol.

Dock,you are probably right. I certainly do not fall into the "Let's blame everything on Bush" crowd. At time, i think he, like the rest of us, is a victim of circumstance.

However,I do think that when he speaks about living in "important times" he is alluding to his belief that these are indeed the "end times." Those are his own ideas, not anyone else's. Despite the belief that Bush is stupid, it is not substantiated by any proof. As far as teleprompters and ear pieces, pfft, I don't buy that idea at all.

I do believe he is doing the bidding of a "higher" officials, the unseen government or what have you.

[edit on 4-1-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Obviously, he's not trying to bring about the end of the world..

but thats where we are heading.

What baffles me is, why does he continue, when the outcome is so obvious?

Bush is not the enemy.

Bush is a pawn, a vehicle, an instrument.


Bush's alleged religious-agendas are seeded in the mass consciousness in order to systematically programme the masses to accepting apocolyptic 'end times' --------------- for the purpose of further ramping up the fear and terror element.

These are NOT the end-times --------- nowhere near it.

After Bush, there will be other mouthpieces and they will spout scripted rhetoric about new enemies and enemies-of-freedom.

Whereas now, there is a concerted agenda to convince populations that the world is falling to bits --------- in the future, similar agendas will do all in their power to convince populations that off-world crises are imminent.

It's the same old same old.

It's been going on since pre-history.

The credulous are deliberately terrified.

This in turn renders populations more easily controlled --- more willing to accept repressive regimes --- more willing to sacrifice themselves and their children in manufactured wars.

Manufactured wars benefit the WARMONGERS.

Today's wealthy (obscenely wealthy) OBTAINED THEIR OBSCENE WEALTH FROM DELIBERATELY MANUFACTURED 'WARS'.

TOMORROW's WEALTHY WILL ENJOY OBSCENE WEALTH -- THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY OBTAINING via this PHONY War on Terror and against other religions, arms sales, redefining of boundaries, control of 'vital' resources, etc. etc.

RIGHT NOW, if you subscribe to this phoney, orchestrated 'war on terra' ---- YOU are putting money in 'their' hands.

Their children will live lives of unimaginable luxury and ease and privilege.

YOUR children will return from the Mid East 'war zone' with their legs and arms and faces missing. YOUR children will live lives of poverty and misery.

BUT BY THEN ---- this PHONY War on Terra will BE OVER !!!!!

YES! Just like the 'war against Communism' is now OVER ! (and it gave power and riches to those who orchestrated it).

JUST AS WW1 and WW2 are OVER ! (although it killed millions and made cripples and beggars of tens of thousands and condemned millions of families to lives of poverty and struggle).

So WAKE UP !

If you don't, you'll go down the same path, like sheep, as all those mislead, lied-to dead grandparents of yours.

WAR IS FOR PROFIT FOR THE FEW.

The credulous sheepies are controlled by CARROT and STICK.

'They' have ALREADY written the script for the NEXT PHONY WAR --- the one your children and grandchildren will be CONNED into and which will cost them THEIR lives and limbs and futures.

Just go watch Idiocracy and you will get the picture

If they wanted to end the world, they would have done the easy way. Launch nukes on the first day they came in power. Not make it so hard on themselves.

Originally posted by Dock6


Complex, because yours is a multi-layered post.

However, suffice to say, it's to be suspected that 'this administration' wishes US (we, the world's population) to become convinced the 'end is nigh', lol.

What's the first thing new recruits to the armed services are subjected to?

Right. They're 'broken' down. They're stripped of individuality.

Why?

Right. It's because once they're broken and stripped of individual thought and ego, they can be moulded into an homogenous 'fighting force' that will, just like a shoal of fish, dart obediently as one in whichever direction they're ordered.

Not exactly true. Nobody is stripped of their individuality. You are tought that in order to be a cohesive team, that everything's not about me. In the heat of battle, folks need to be able to operate in an organized and disciplined manner, and not like a bunch of cats trying to be herded.

As other people have said, I think it is because Bush is a Christian Zionist. I think that Bush truly believes that he was put in power by God to fulfill apocolypic prophecies.
In many ways, Evangelical Christians look to Bush as their "Regent" as suggested by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

Im going to post a great paper that I have (I dont remember where I found it though) about the Evangelical Right and their quest for the second coming.

President Bush sends frequent coded messages to the faithful. In his address to the nation on the night of September 11, for example, he lifted a line directly from the Gospel of John when he said "And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness will not overcome it." He often uses the sentence "when every child is welcomed in life and protected in law," words taken directly from a pro-life manifesto entitled "A Statement of Pro-Life Principle and Concern." He quotes from hymns, prayers, tracts and Biblical passages without attribution. These phrases reassure the elect. They are lost on the uninitiated.
CHRIST THE AVENGER
The Christian Right finds its ideological justification in a narrow segment of the Gospel, in particular the letters of the Apostle Paul, especially the story of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus in the Book of Acts. It draws heavily from the book of Revelations and the Gospel of John. These books share an apocalyptic theology. The Book of Revelations is the only time in the Gospels where Jesus sanctions violence, offering up a vision of Christ as the head of a great and murderous army of heavenly avengers. Martin Luther found the God portrayed in Revelations so hateful and cruel he put the book in the appendix of his German translation of the Bible.
These books rarely speak about Christ's message of love, forgiveness and compassion. They focus on the doom and destruction that will befall unbelievers and the urgent need for personal salvation. The world is divided between good and evil, between those who act as agents of God and those who act as agents of Satan. The Jesus of the other three Gospels, the Jesus who turned the other cheek and embraced his enemies, an idea that was radical and startling in the ancient Roman world, is purged in the narrative selected by the Christian Right.
The cult of masculinity pervades the ideology. Feminism and homosexuality are social forces, believers are told, that have rendered the American male physically and spiritually impotent. Jesus is portrayed as a man of action, casting out demons, battling the Anti-Christ, attacking hypocrites and castigating the corrupt. This cult of masculinity brings with it the glorification of strength, violence and vengeance. It turns Christ into a Rambo-like figure; indeed depictions of Jesus within the movement often show a powerfully built man wielding a huge sword.
This image of Christ as warrior is appealing to many within the movement. The loss of manufacturing jobs, lack of affordable health care, negligible opportunities for education and poor job security has left many millions of Americans locked out. This ideology is attractive because it offers them the hope of power and revenge. It sanctifies their rage. It stokes the paranoia about the outside world maintained through bizarre conspiracy theories, many on display in Pat Robertson's book The New World Order . The book is a xenophobic rant that includes vicious attacks against the United Nations and numerous other international organizations. The abandonment of the working class has been crucial to the success of the movement. Only by reintegrating the working class into society through job creation, access to good education and health care can the Christian Right be effectively blunted. Revolutionary movements are built on the backs of an angry, disenfranchised laboring class. This one is no exception.
The depictions of violence that will befall non-believers are detailed, gruesome and brutal. It speaks to the rage many believers harbor and the thirst for revenge. This, in large part, accounts for the huge sales of the apocalyptic series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. In their novel, Glorious Appearing , based on LaHaye's interpretation of Biblical Prophecies about the Second Coming, Christ eviscerates the flesh of millions of non-believers with the mere sound of his voice. There are long descriptions of horror, of how "the very words of the Lord had superheated their blood, causing it to burst through their veins and skin." Eyes disintegrate. Tongues melt. Flesh dissolves. The novel, part of The Left Behind series, are the best selling adult novels in the country. They preach holy war.
"Any teaching of peace prior to [Christ's] return is heresy." said televangelist James Robinson.
Natural disasters, terrorist attacks, instability in Israel and even the fighting of Iraq are seen as signposts. The war in Iraq was predicted according to believers in the 9 th chapter of the Book of Revelations where four angels "which are bound in the great river Euphrates will be released to slay the third part of men." The march towards global war, even nuclear war, is not to be feared but welcomed as the harbinger of the Second Coming. And leading the avenging armies is an angry, violent Messiah who dooms millions of non-believers to a horrible and painful death.

This is only one part of a very long paper. U2U me if you would like the rest.

Originally posted by Dock6
Currently, we're being systematically deprived of many 'rights' our parents and grandparent took for granted.

First we were dumbed down. Then we were programmed in self-indulgence, laziness, refusal to accept responsibility, childishness, etc.

Then we've been systematically discouraged from ensuring OTHERS are held accountable (as in the publicised (by whore-media) persecution, torture, death of whistle-blowers, etc).

The whore-media was constructed to feed us pap in the same way domestic animals were fed on their own sh*t.

So ..... sick, broken, confused, helpless, hopeless, impotent and basically stupid, we're now being stripped of the final barrier --- our faith and belief in benevolent 'gods'.

We're being programmed to accept the Rapture and other nonsense.

We're ripe for the slaughter.

I think you're partially correct. I think you're wrong about the "dumbing down" aspect being part of the plan. That's just something that's happened in society because big business has realised the less intelligent far outnumber those of above average intelligence, thus consumers/the public are being targeted/marketed to accordingly....as the lowest common denominator.

I do think however that this situation has been fully taken advantage of by those now in power - who have also realised a huge majority of the public don't take much notice or have much interest in what happens politically. As a result of which the past decade has seen an unprecedented abuse of power by politicians going completely unchecked, both in the UK and US.

As for Bush's actions concerning war etc, I think it's no coincidence that both he and Blair work so well as a team. They share the same religious fundamentalist traits, go figure. Worryingly when you start mixing personal religious beliefs with political power you are creating a very dangerous situation. Concering Iraq, Both of these men have claimed that God tells them what to do. When other non-Western nations have leaders who mix religion and politics in the same manner they're considered dangerous crackpots who are a threat to the world, and may need 'sorting out'......ironic eh?