posted by magicmushroom
Hi Don, I'm not quite sure if this is what the US wanted . . After the initial battles it seems Iraq has turned into a free for all, unless the
occupying power takes complete control this is what happens. [Edited by Don W]
I believe we - all of us, government and people - were beguiled by our quick and easy success in Afghan. Technology triumphs! We learned enough from
Gulf War 1 to know the Iraqi Army was a paper tiger. I am satisfied the initial concept (purpose) of our intrusion into Iraq went according to plan,
as was exemplified by the “Mission Accomplished” welcome B43 received on the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1. Albeit staged, it did reflect the
popular impression of reality.
Yes, there were cracks showing in our armor by May 1, especially visible over the looting of antiquities the US apparently “permitted” by
dismantling the police and refusing to send guarding units to the sites. This is symptomatic of people who have no regard for culture or history but
not necessarily otherwise bad actors. What I’d call semi-literate. Boorish.
Obviously we - Central Command - had no concept the Shi’ite would harbor such deep resentment towards the Sunni. And we also lacked appreciation of
how seriously the Turks and Iranians take the issue of the Kurds and their dream of an independent Kurdistan. But over here, if you say “the
-stans” you get back a blank stare.
One of our generals said it would take 300,000 soldiers to “pacify” Iraq. Maybe yes, maybe no. I recall when General Westmoreland asked for
100,000 more men. 1966. Then he came back here and asked for 125,000 more men. 1968. By then we had 550,000 men in Vietnam and as you know, they ran
us out of town. Pajama and shower clogs and all that. Proof? You cannot kill a good idea. Causes survive bombs. Just look at Jim Crow in America.
If the US goes or stays there will be sectarian violence for years to come. If Iran is attacked it will get worse and there is a real danger of a
widening conflict. Also there is a possibility that others are trying to bleed America dry by impaling its self on ME countries. War can make great
nations but it can also break them.
I don’t know why so few of us see this, whipsawing. I’ve pointed out how the al Qaeda spent perhaps $2-3 million on the Nine Eleven Event, but we
have spent $6-700 billion in response.
One old example: A dvd was “discovered” during the 2004 campaign which showed Wall Street and the White House. Supposedly this was hot stuff just
captured in Afghan. Bush43 “leaked” it to the press. NYC and W-DC spent $70 million in extra police overtime. A man who saw the parts of the dvd
the CIA or FBI deigned to show us, recognized his own building in the picture. He realized the picture was more than 3 years old, as he had remodeled
the building that long ago. A minor snafu, but again, al Qaeda spends a few hundred bucks and we respond with 10s of millions. That is why I say,
stop fighting dumb, begin to fight smart.
I have a feeling those who control these events are doing it with the sole intention of removing the US from its current [sole superpower] position.
Americans do not realize that while they boast of their armed forces able to beat anyone they are more vulnerable to a financial disaster as happened
with the Germans in WW1 and the British Empire [post War2].
How do we get out of this mess in the ME? I don’t know, we have been there since the early 1900's and taking the resources of these countries. How
do we placate a people who we have robbed, murdered, tortured, destroyed their homes, their infrastructure etc. The right thing to do would be to get
out of there, make reparations, stabilize the country and hope that this will improve the situation. [Edited by Don W]
Yes. But sometimes it is so hard to do right. I often pose the question, relative to the Germans and the Holocaust,”What makes good people do bad
things?” It seems the Germans were the first in Iraq, around 1890. Converting their ocean fleet from coal to oil. They made a deal with Persia to
extend the Berlin-Baghdad RR to Tehran but WW1 intervened and that never came to fruition. After War 1, the British took the German investments in the
region as part of the spoils of war. In 1935, the Shah, favorably impressed with Hitler and the Nazis, changed the name of the country from Persia to
Iran, an anglicized version of the Farsi for Aryan. I am somewhat surprised the natives have not changed it back to Persia.
Lesson from Iraq: Americans do not abhor war, on the contrary, we love a winning war. It is losing we cannot tolerate. That is why I named this
thread in honor of “Tet.” We constantly plead our humanity and our generosity, but we never complain when a Daisy-Cutter is dropped or a
bunker-buster. And cluster bombs. Sweet Jesus. We know not all bombs hit the intended target . We are comfortable in denominating those people killed
by mistake or a technical glitch as collateral damage.
Beware of any people who can call their fellow man killed at their hands collateral
Cruise missiles ramming down a chimney! Laser guided bombs. Night vision. Infra rad vision. Technology. We love it, we worship at its feet. Compare
how many hours a typical American sits in front of his tv as opposed to how many hours he spends in church or in other religious activities. That’s
probably a bad example, because 80% of America’s churches are 100% behind war.
[edit on 3/1/2007 by donwhite]