Umm... the Mig-23 wasn't FBW was it? The F-16 was, as such I think it would be easier to maneuver and control under certain conditions. Also FBW
would increase the flight envelope in which it could operate under.
Originally posted by planeman
Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdoThis is the most telling comment in your monolgue. Whilst you are making some valid points, I think you are also missing some of the context.
I am not too familiar with the Su-35/37 "Super Flankers," but my guess is that they are not too far removed from the Su-27 in terms of aerodynamic performance. Or are they?
Labels like "Su-27" can mean any of a number ofd Flanker or even Fullback varients, just as "F-16" comes in many varients. The more recent varients and capabilities differ greatly from the oldest versions.
So if you compare the older Su-27 varients (which evidently you are), then you ought to compare them against older F-16 varients.
If we stop the clock at 1988 and look at the main in-service versions of both, we find a slightly different picture than what you are painting:
USSR Su-27S Flanker-B -vs- USAF F-16C
In BVR combat the Su-27 has the advantage because it has slightly more versitle BVR missiles and carries more of them. The F-16C of this time would have carried a pair of Aim-7 Sparrows with about 70km range, whereas the standard fit for the Su-27 was 4 AA-10 Alamo-B (70km range) and 2 AA-10 Alamo-A IR fire-and-forget missiles (aboutt 30km range). Given that both the Alamo and Sparrows would typically be ripple fired, that gives the F-16 one shot whereas the Su-27 has three, plus they include fire-anf forget and multiple wavelength attack (both radar and IR). The F-16C's radar is better mind, and the Sparrow has probably got a slightly better kill ratio than the Alamo, but probably not enough to give the lightly armed F-16 the edge.
In the WVR world the Su-27 has a MASSIVE adavantage over the F-16C of the late 1980s, namely the AA-11 Archer missile and associated IRST/HMS targeting. The F-16C may be more agile, but it has 2 (maybe 4 in a 'heavy' load) AIM-9L or AIM-9P Sidewinders which have a maximum range of just 18km and an engagement envelope of only about 15 degrees (going by memory, look it up). Whereas the vastly superior AA-11 had a range of about 30km and an engagement envelope of up to 60degrees off-boresite. The superiority of the AA-11 was proven when former East German Mig-29s joined the Luftwaffe and NATO got a first hande experience of the missile.
It's worth noting that whilst the Sidewinder has some merits, only the latest AIM-9X really compares to the AA-11 and that is not very widely deployed even now - in fact even the F-22s still have old model AIM-9s.
Since the late 1980s, both aircraf tand their resprctive weapons fits have evolved. In general the F-16, though increasingly capable, is really turning into a bit of the Dolly Parton of the skys and recent developmemts have more to do with leveraging US international influence and established production lines than it still being the optimum aircraft.
But anyway, the main changes are:
* The Su-27 family gained the really long ranged (130km!!!) AA-10 Alamo-C missile in the early 1990s.
* Recent Su-27 versions also sport vastly improved radars
* Both types have gained a true fire-and-forget AR medium range missile (AMRAAM and AA-12 Adder)
* Some F-16 varients now have IRST and HMS, but few have AAMs that compare to the Flanker's AA-11 - this will change as missiles like the IRIS-T and AIM-9X enter survice on F-16s.
* More recent Su-27 varients (usually called Su-35/37 and some Su-30 varients) have 3-D thrust vectoring which gives them superb agility, as has been discussed by others)
*Both types are increaingly employed as two-man aircraft, where the Flanker has a natural advantage due to its great size and power.
* Both sorts have evolved into multi-role and dedicated attack versions, in general the Su-27s carry more bombs. The Su-32 Fullback version of the Su-27 is the mutt's nuts in that match-up and the F-16 can only dream of getting anywhere near it in that respect.