There's no doubt. Celebs are Monarch Slaves

My opinions on it aren't really that conspiratorial, since I've grown up with it - I know no other way fo life and I have to assume the other people in this "program" (whatever sector they might be operating in) are of the same opinion.

We're conditioned to this way of life, and it's hard to imagine any other way of living for me...but fortunately I'm not triggered very often these days given that I've dropped out of that side of the whole reality.

The reason I'm not fighting this as strongly as I porbably should it it got to a point where I basically had to tell the handlers to kiss my royal white behind - the majority of my programming is military in nature, and it didn't sit well with the rest of the Monarch Slaves I've run into.

Indeed - the majority of them have been spoiled, self righteous and indignant brats with egos the size of antarctica and an over inflated sense of superiority over others - it's actually quite sad. But they DO need to be monitiored and "handled" almost constantly or else things get messy in the real world around them very quickly.

I admit - I know very little of Tavistock - but I'll get right on it. Once again, I can only speak of personal experience and interaction with people who fit the catagory of "slaves" you've previously mentioned.

And please, don't be paranoid - I'm not "after anyone" and I have no agenda.

GENERAL EYES - I didn't realise in your previous post that you were referring to YOURSELF as someone who had been programmed, only that you had ASSOCIATED with those that had. That is fascinating, I am very interested to hear your slant on things.

Not all celebs are emotionally fragile attention seekers. Harrison Ford was a carpenter and a bit part player for many years. He preferred his carpentry to playing in westerns and quit hollywood altogether. Then someone clued him in about the role of the drag car driver in american graffiti and he auditioned, because he was apparently a fan of that era and its music. That lead to the part of han solo> which lead to the part of indiana jones and so on

but he doesn"t like the press
doesn"t like the hollywood lifestyle
lives in the mountains in wyoming
on a horse farm

lucas was the same way
he really doesn"t like hollywood
and hollywood really doesn"t like him
they just put up with him because he"s
a money maker

linda ronstandt is the same way
she avoids public appearances
only shows up in pubilc for her
performances
lives a quiet life out of the public
eye

i don"t think these people disdain publicity because of emotional
problems> they simply don"t care for the adulation and all the
fakery and hooplah

Feel free to ask away. I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best with unsoliciated responses, lol. Any subject is open and up for grabs here, but just try to understand I am recently coming to light with my own "role" in this whole thing, so I might not be able to clarify much in regards to what I do with my primary programming.

On the issue of the entertainment industry, however - you're right, It is part of a social engineering program. Civilians get the second rate programming via theatre and television - but it's there.

As far as the brainwashing part is concerned - it's kind of a misnomer. These children are tested and selected based on natural aptitudes and talents at an early age - and then simply guided the rest of their lives. Not everyone makes it - and a lot of them with lesser morals fall prey to the pornogaphy divisions. Fortuantely for them, that whole branch is being given massive approval these days so it's no longer a verbotten and "seedy" thing anymore - it's actually cool and hip to be in that department.

I study psychology, sociology and social trends - and I do see where they are trying to head with this whole mess - a world where people can pursue their desires free of guilt and outdated concpets of moral code.

Like I said - this is going to come off completely disjointed....I don't have the whole thing cut and dried enough to write a hands down perfect essay, so thanks for bearing with me through all of this.

It's nice to meet someone else who is informed of this subject. Most people simply write it off as implausible simply because theyaren't part of it themselves.

Also - I read up on Tavistock - and I have to say, there were some excellent points mentioned in there that conincide with my own take on psychology/psychiatry in regards to the family nexus and '___' experiementation on schizophrenic patients.

Originally posted by undo
Not all celebs are emotionally fragile attention seekers. Harrison Ford was a carpenter and a bit part player for many years. He preferred his carpentry to playing in westerns and quit hollywood altogether. Then someone clued him in about the role of the drag car driver in american graffiti and he auditioned, because he was apparently a fan of that era and its music. That lead to the part of han solo> which lead to the part of indiana jones and so on

but he doesn"t like the press
doesn"t like the hollywood lifestyle
lives in the mountains in wyoming
on a horse farm

lucas was the same way
he really doesn"t like hollywood
and hollywood really doesn"t like him
they just put up with him because he"s
a money maker

linda ronstandt is the same way
she avoids public appearances
only shows up in pubilc for her
performances
lives a quiet life out of the public
eye

i don"t think these people disdain publicity because of emotional
problems> they simply don"t care for the adulation and all the
fakery and hooplah

But you'll also notice the quality of the material these people put out there is radically more "human" than the majority of pop icons on the main stage these days - these artists you have mentioned are true ARTISTS, not part of the self perpetuating sexualization and material consumption culture. I think the "performers" who are pushing forward that agenda are the ones in main focus here - but please, Delta Alter - correct me if I'm wrong on that issue.

WHOA!!

Well, I'm not about to even think about Quoting any posts--just too much. That being the case, it's up to you to fit it up.

One of the many things I have observed over my Life is that people simply, and constantly, fail to look in the Mirrors. What that means is that most fail to see what is in front of their faces; case in point is this Thread.

If you are truly looking for Government Mind Control. e.g. "brainwashing", then you need look no further than the Public Education System. It is both replete, and complete, with every facilitation and criteria listed here.

Do yourselves a Favor--get off the "Science Fiction" trip and into Reality.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES


But you'll also notice the quality of the material these people put out there is radically more "human" than the majority of pop icons on the main stage these days - these artists you have mentioned are true ARTISTS, not part of the self perpetuating sexualization and material consumption culture. I think the "performers" who are pushing forward that agenda are the ones in main focus here - but please, Delta Alter - correct me if I'm wrong on that issue.

I agree, although there is some debate (a debate I haven't looked much into) that George Lucas is 'One of Them' using the Star wars films as another brainwashing tool for the agenda. It just goes deeper and deeper!

GENERAL EYES, I am no expert on this subject, just an avid reader and researcher. I may be off the mark regarding some subjects, but on this one I remain steadfast. Obviously it is more or less impossible to garner the evidence needed to convince most people, but I'll just keep happily rattling along in my own little world, bleating on and on until someone listens!

What memories do you have regarding your programming? Were you subjected to trauma?

Originally posted by Ed Littlefox
If you are truly looking for Government Mind Control. e.g. "brainwashing", then you need look no further than the Public Education System. It is both replete, and complete, with every facilitation and criteria listed here.

Do yourselves a Favor--get off the "Science Fiction" trip and into Reality.

I have no doubt in my mind that the Public Education System is Mind Control. But considering the Media to be Mind Control is Sci-Fi?

I think you are the one who needs the Reality Check!

Delta Alter, living in Los Angeles for years and dealing with celebs, I assure you they are no more mind controlled than the million of people of that emulate their styles and mannerisms. Most celebs start out as nobodies and end up believing that they are more than they really are cause they hear how great they are all day. They are not mind controlled as much as they are just out of touch with reality due to constant pampering. Plus these actors are constantly creating new" characters" so for a singer/actress like Beyonce to "develop a alter ego" while on stage, sounds no different than "becoming that character" in film. I can't think of a single popular actor or actress today that I have no come in to contact with in one form or another.

Hi Kleverone, thanks for your reply.

The whole point in Monarch programming is that it is totally undetectable. You or I would not be able to tell that the person in question was mind controlled.

Are you interested in conspiracy theories? I can only assume so since you visit this site. Do you believe in the testimonies of people such as Paul Bonacci, who maintain that they are Programmed Multiples?

If so, do you not find it to be a coincidence that people such as Beyonce, supposedly in positions of power and control, are being described as having multiple personality syndrome?

Couldn't she just have multiple personality syndrome without being mind controlled? I also fail to see what postition of power she has? She may be influential to 13 year old girls but I hardly doubt she a global power hungery force to be reckoned with? What is her agenda by the way? Who else do you think is mind controlled and what is there agenda? Sounds like paranoia to me. You could be right though who knows

True, she could have multiple personalities without being mind-controlled, but when you read up on Monarch programming, it all seems too much of a coincidence.

Beyonce herself isn't powerful, but her 'owners' certainly are. She is used to make money, over- sexualise youth, promote certain labels and designers and portray a standard image of 'beauty' and 'talent.'

That amounts to quite a lot of influence on the masses, I'd say.

Of course she is going to promote certain brands! Just like Oprah owns the rights to all the books in her book club, that is why shes worth a billion dollars, its called self interest. It seems to me that you are trying to mold truths and facts around your beliefs and not the other way around. Good luck with your search though

Gee thanks!

I've done quite a bit of research into this -and that's where my beliefs have come from - they haven't just sprung out of nowhere!

Look around you, look at the NUMBER ONE obsession of most people. Look how they are influenced by them, talk like them, dress like them. See how we are becoming identikit people, becoming all that we watch on our TV screens.

Are you aware of the research done by the Nazis? The Tavistock insititute? Popular culture? How it all ties together?

If you are not, then I suggest you become aware. Your views may change.

Maybe we shouldn't be focusing so much on the performers themselves - after all, that's what the industry wants.

We should be looking more into the values and ideals that are being sold to us via the mediums of these performers - therein lies the real agenda.

Is it sinsiter? Not really - but I can understand how it might come off that way to a person with any reasonable amount of self worth and intelligence...but iin all actuality, it's just finding ways to profit off the basic drives of human beings and keep them entertained.

There are a lot of people out there with no imaginations whatsoever, and providing them with a media starlet or tough boy archetype gives them a "map" of exploring parts of their own psyche they may not have been able to give voice to without an in your face hint.

How can it not be sinister when they are playing with the souls and minds of Human Beings, turning society into a shallow, ignorant pit of vulgarity and self-obsession, using people as guinea pigs for their own agenda (and probably amusement)?

I feel so sad when I conteplate the future for mankind.

Have you read "Thanks for the Memories - The Memories of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-controlled Slave" its very interesting but also very disturbing. Heres a part from chapter 2.

Brice Taylor - Thanks for the Memories

Chapter Two: Early Childhood Preparation

In order for my birth to be accomplished on presidential inauguration day, January 20th, 1951, my mother's labor was induced at St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica, California. My parents named me Susan Lynne Eckhart. The selection of inauguration day for my birth was especially meaningful
given the position I would be groomed to one day fill. My parents told the story for years that my first words were, "I like Ike." Even at the early age of one, they were training me to be politically-minded and had me cheering in a campaign effort for the President-elect.

Once my mother and I were released from the hospital after my birth, my father began the rigorous training and intentional torture required to shatter my base personality with the goal of creating many separate and individual personalities for training and use by others as I grew older. When my mother left my father to babysit me, he withheld all food until I was starving. Then he held my bottle in front of me, but instead of allowing me to have the bottle, he would slip his penis into my mouth for me to suck. I felt I was dying through suffocation, as my airway was blocked and I gagged for breath. There were many such traumas to follow, most often on a daily basis.

For you to understand how I came to trust the things I began remembering at age 35 about my earliest childhood, I will share the following experiences. In meditation, I began remembering small,
inconsequential things at first, like the time my mother left my father to care for me when I was four months old. He laid me on top of the dining room table and watched as I fell off! I clearly remembered the panicked feeling of terror as I was falling and remembered the overwhelming sharp pain that resulted in my body as I hit the floor. I also remembered the color of the carpeting, the design on the wallpaper and other details about the room. We moved from this house in Santa Monica when I was 6
months old, and I never saw it again.

Unable to fathom what these earliest of childhood memories could mean, I began reading about the experiences of Vietnam veterans and how they suddenly relived flashbacks of traumas they witnessed in war. I thought this might be the same type of memory phenomenon. In order to test my recall of this particular incident, I shared the details of this memory with my mother. Her reaction was one of amazement although she seemed terribly confused about my father's actions.
She said I had described our first house and was surprised I could remember so accurately details from an event that happened when I was only an infant. Being the third child to a very busy mother, there were no pictures taken of me in that house that I could have seen. The validation she gave me made me feel more trusting of the other memories that soon began flooding back into my awareness.

i just want to add that iirc the bus that exploded in london on 7/7 was detonated in front of the Tavistock Institute. I'm not 100% sure, but that's my recollection.

Well - I know at first glance it seems hopeless, but most people grow out of these things when they get a heavy dose of the real world. Teenagers get their yah yahs out and learn the hard way how the world works once they enter into the workforce.

I agree, I don't necessarily agree with the souless consumer ideology - but the majorityof people who buy into these trends to begin with aren't exactly the stuff world leaders are made of.

It's a delicate balance of power and human realtions - most people aren't interested in the deeper meanigns of life - they just want to have a good time and experience things that distract them from the reality of their boring and mundane lives. Nothing is preventing any of these people from looking at alternatives or pursuing other paths - but the amchine is designed and engineered to profit heavily off the major consumer demographic - teenagers with no real sense of identiy, reality or community accountablity.

It's a short run lifestyle, and it eventually burns out after a decade or so.

Have faith, Delta Alter - it all works out in the end.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
Have faith Delta Alter - it all works out in the end.

Oh how I hope you are right

SdiRailgun, I haven't read that book - but read about it SCARY STUFF. Do you believe it is true?

And Shar - Chi - I was aware that the bus exploded outside Tavistock - apparently the door of the bulding was splattered with the remnants of the bodies of the people who died on the bus