ooops, ignore the 'Clifford' thing. I shoulda watched out for those Speech Marks. But, I still hold onto my theory...............

I really don't believe Rosanne has 16 personalities. I'm willing to bet that was a publicity thing.

Perhaps celebs create these other 'personalities' so that they can let loose while they are those people and then when they are themselves again they can say 'it wasn't me .. it was so-and-so'. A defense, or excuse, in regards to the wild side of hollywood.

And as long as that remains to be the widely accepted explanation, the truth will never be known.

In my humble opinion!

Well, lets look at it this way:

Assertion 1:

* Celebrities are Mind controlled government slaves

Assertion 2 (mine):

* Celebrities are, by nature, emotionally fragile people whose insecurities force them to seek the adulation of the masses by performing and attempting to gain public accolades. They are easily damaged and may already suffer from various mental health issues.



Which is the most logical assumption? That thousands of people in the public eye are government mindcontrolled stooges for some unknown purpose? Or, that these people are vapid, shallow, and totally unstable to begin with?

Well, my mind must work in a really whacked out way, because my logical assumption is that most big name celebrities are victims of mind control!
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

Originally posted by Reality Hurts

Which is the most logical assumption? That thousands of people in the public eye are government mindcontrolled stooges for some unknown purpose?

Unknown purpose? More like making money and social engineering through the media.

Just because it makes sense to you, it doesn't make it real.

If this makes so much sense, answer me a few questions:

* How much time and effort would it take to create a mind controlled slave?
* How much time and effort would it take to create a thousand mind controlled slaves?
* How many personnel would it take to staff a facility that does this?
* What purpose would it it serve?

I tend to agree with realityhurts second assertion.he seems to have summed up the celebrity ego quite well,i.e. emotional cripples as opposed to brainwash victems,imho.

Originally posted by Reality Hurts
Just because it makes sense to you, it doesn't make it real.

If this makes so much sense, answer me a few questions:

* How much time and effort would it take to create a mind controlled slave?
* How much time and effort would it take to create a thousand mind controlled slaves?
* How many personnel would it take to staff a facility that does this?
* What purpose would it it serve?

There wouldn't be one specific facility with which to do this. Babies would most likely be born into their fate, programming done during their upbringing. To create thousands worldwide is more than attainable.

There is so much going on behind the scenes, behind the TV, the papers, behind day-to-day life. Can you explain the hysteria surrounding celebrity culture? The way society is so influenced by brain dead celebrities? The fact that even ROCK STARS and ACTRESSES are becoming World Ambassadors??

So wait a sec.

You're telling me that the government is directly manipulating people, from infancy until adulthood, and funneling them into specific careers so that it brings money to the government? Sooooo....this program would have taken hundreds of millions to research, develop, initiate, and propagate. Not to mention the salaries of those that have to actually do the "manipulation".

Then these celebrities make all of this money and blow it on $5,000 a night hotel suites for weeks on end, $1,000 bottles of champagne, $20,000 watches, $400,000 cars, $10,000,000 homes, etc. etc. etc.

Uh...I'm not seeing the programs payoff.

Let's look at it this way....

You have a big, fat, rich businessman who has mass power and control. He realises that a fantastic way of promoting his product/brainwashing the masses/ endorsing a lifestyle is through the usage of celebrities. He finds a nubile, talented, trendy young girl to fulfill his aims.

Do you really believe that this power hungry man will want a human being, someone with their own opinions, ideology and preferences? Someone who has a threshold to how hard they can work?

Or would he rather have more or less a robot, who can work constantly, tour constantly, give the right answers in interviews and promote whatever agenda he desires?

I know what I think, but hey - I'm a cynic

With all due respect......

Read anything about Nazi experimentation during World War 2?

The Tavistock Institute?

Social Engineering?

If not, I suggest you do - enlightening to say the least.

This aint about money. It's all to do with control. Look around you. It's working, eh?

Originally posted by Delta Alter
Let's look at it this way....

You have a big, fat, rich businessman who has mass power and control. He realises that a fantastic way of promoting his product/brainwashing the masses/ endorsing a lifestyle is through the usage of celebrities. He finds a nubile, talented, trendy young girl to fulfill his aims.

Do you really believe that this power hungry man will want a human being, someone with their own opinions, ideology and preferences? Someone who has a threshold to how hard they can work?

Or would he rather have more or less a robot, who can work constantly, tour constantly, give the right answers in interviews and promote whatever agenda he desires?

I know what I think, but hey - I'm a cynic

If you put 500,000,000 into the stock market, real estate, or hell, even into a damn bank account at 4%, you'd make a helluva lot of money.

Why try to create a mass of mind controlled slaves who blow all of their money?

It does not make sense.



[edit on 3-1-2007 by Reality Hurts]

Originally posted by Delta Alter
With all due respect......

Read anything about Nazi experimentation during World War 2?

The Tavistock Institute?

Social Engineering?

If not, I suggest you do - enlightening to say the least.

This aint about money. It's all to do with control. Look around you. It's working, eh?

yes, I'm aware of it.

However, in practice, this "control" you are mentioning means nothing without money and influence. Being behind the scenes and having your slaves accomplish just about nothing and blow all of the money instead of funneling it back to them makes no sense.

Accomplish just about nothing?

So Madonna, Britney, Michael Jackson et al haven't made mountains of money and influenced today's youth - even society as we know it?

And how does their influence extend to the people who control them? How do the Controllers benefit?

Answer me that please.

By engineering the masses to meet their agenda.

Be it...

Buy Pepsi

Eat Crap

Have under age sex

Drink, smoke, party

Respect no-one

Be trendy or be worthless

Be gorgeous or be worthless

SPEND SPEND SPEND be like the WAGS and the popstars you so admire

Help us usher in the New World Order by turning yourself into a drone, a clone, an stupid, unthinking robot who thinks, dresses, speaks and acts like everyone else.

Delta Alter -

This entire subject has been the object of much of my therapy throughout the past seven years, and I know exactly where you're coming from.

The entertainment industry is far reaching, widespread and extremely competent in finding people/children who fit their requirements for any given point in time in regards to the manipulation of mass consciouness.

How do I know this? I've been ankle deep in it myself.

I'll spare you the backstory, but I've been in a couple of movies as well as being a musical performer (sans agent or manager) and there are strict codes of conduct and professional requirements that are demanded upon by anyone on-set - not just the main performers.

The ability to dissoociate (i.e. "get into character") as well as being completely aware of every subtle action and nuance the main character performs is the difference between a lead role and a bit part in the background. I'm a background walker (extra) with no dreams of becoming famous - I've seen how handlers keep the reigns tightened on the majority of low end performers.

Are the current trends in pop culture the result of a GOVERNMENT agenda via brainwashing? I can't say for sure. I was born a military kid and had to go through the entire testing process myself to see if I was a viable canidate for life long indoctrination - oddly enough, I was found to be suitable although I'm still not sure what it is I do. But I digress...

In the entertainment world - yes - they are looking for people who will "lose themselves" in a role...do exactly what is demanded of them and not question anything. We are diluged with substandard "models" right now preaching elevated scripts of sexuality and consumption.

Try gettting a serious artist to bend their will to such an agenda.

These media mogels know what they're doing, they know how to find "what they're looking for" and they know how to surround that person with people who continue to keep the delusional world going on en force around the performer in order to keep the illusion going as long as possible, for a far as possible.

Alter-egos? Simple. The "artist" needs to change dynamics in order to stay sane and keep his/her name in the spotlight and generate new attention from his or her fans, or open up new media markets.

The simple line of thinking behind todays performers is : If the public has controlled and shallow role models, they themselves will become shallow and easily controlled through emulation of said role models.

This applies primarily to the younger gnerations.

It's long, drawn out and complicated - and forgive me for just waking up - but seeing as how this is a subject of massive interest with me - I'll check back ASAP.

GENERAL EYES - thank you.

I'm becoming borderline obsessive with this topic - everytime I open a newspaper the facts just seem to be staring me in the face.

It's very interesting to hear from someone with 'background' knowledge such as yours, but my belief system moves into even more paranoid mode
What are your views regarding this- considering the evidence that we have for MKULTRA and the social engineering experimentation that goes on at the Tavistock institute ?

I understand that you have just woken up, so if you would rather continue this discussion at a later date I am willing!