Its a joke. *sigh*

Do you know how much computer power an action like that would take, and then the information would have to be dissected, its really not worth it.

The data is there, its always been there. Whether it gets analysed or not is another story.

*louder sigh*

Okay folks, theres 500 million plus computers connected to the net, lets call that 350 million connected at one time, lets say everyone transmits and recieves 1mb of data ( which is a relatively tiny amount of data these days), thats 350,000,000 MB's of data, aka 350 Terabytes a DAY, we're talking hundreds of petabytes each month, no connection could download that much and stay secret, then, where do you store that information?

Do the math, its REALLY not worth it.

[Edited on 11-12-2003 by Nerdling]

Originally posted by Nerdling
*louder sigh*

Okay folks, theres 500 million plus computers connected to the net, lets call that 350 million connected at one time, lets say everyone transmits and recieves 1mb of data ( which is a relatively tiny amount of data these days), thats 350,000,000 MB's of data, aka 350 Terabytes a DAY, we're talking hundreds of petaquads each month, no connection could download that much and stay secret, then, where do you store that information?

Do the math, its REALLY not worth it.

well i dont think they watch EVERYONE'S computers, but i DO think that they probably look for key words with e-mail and things like that, and if there is a possible threat of some sort that seems connected with the person, then maybe they may watch those people for a few months.

i wonder about that with the sits i go on:

a.t.s.
sniper sites
hunting
guns
conspiracies

all that good stuff. if they want me come get me!

I'm sure there's probably different websites that are "flagged" and they may watch who accesses those specific sites. Or they may identify possible "terrorists" and then watch those people individually. Just like with child pornography and such.

Originally posted by Nerdling
Its a joke. *sigh*

Really??? Damn I really got fooled by that one...

BTW, they would have to "download" all those terabytes of data, as no mather where you are, some place or another, it'll pass on their freaking backbone.

Remember who created the "Internet" (ARPANet)?

Originally posted by m0rbid

Originally posted by Nerdling
Its a joke. *sigh*

Remember who created the "Internet" (ARPANet)?

I thought Al Gore invented the internet

IMMORTAL said it all in one word - Carnivore. Also, does echelon not have the ability to monitor e-mails?. I know it does telephone calls etc, but unless I'm mistaken it can also scan e-mail(please correct me if I'm wrong). The way I see it, is if they want to spy on you, they will and there's not much most people can do about it.

of course they watch us rthey hope they can catch the one

But remember when keyword scanning on phone lines was just a joke to be humorized. "There would be no way to monitor all those calls..."

I could not find a link, but if I remember right, the communications monitoring airplane that was forced down in China, was quoted as being able to upload data to be scanned, and broadcast it to a mil-satalite, from wide band scanners. Cell Phones, Microwave, etc.


I do not see it non-feasable, now or in the future, for internet population risk and behavior analysis based on keyword, visitation habit, email scanning, profiles, etc. Then you could become a target by meeting a profile, for a more "closer look" at your online habits.



And you really have to understand the 'cookie' industry, and what they can easily compile on you!

[Edited on 12-12-2003 by smirkley]

funlovincriminal

Not so long ago, Carnivore only monitored e-mails. Seeing the link posted by IMMORTAL, I see they been developping more "modules" for Carnivore, to grab even more information. Kinda scary, I must admit.

It's no joke people, online privacy is at risk today. I can't believe some people would still look at us like we're parano saying such stuff. It's not just in movie anymore. And as smirkley said, the "cookie" industry is getting more and more invading.

Wanna hear something else,IMO, even scarier? I works with computers all day long, I can honestly say I'm more than just "knowledge-able" in that field (over 5 years of experience - professional and personnal). It may not be that much, but consider that they're really MY thing. I know how to prevent most common hacking methods, I may not know the inner-working of all virus and trojans, but I know how to deal with say...probably 99% of them. I'm not a linux guru yet, but I know how all versions of windows works, and deep under the hood that is. As some of you already know, I'm a bit "parano", especialy when it comes to computer stuff. I monitor EVERYTHING that get installed on my pc. Yet...lately...I found a #ing key-logger on my system.

Now how scary is that? Now are you sure that every key strokes you make is not monitored and sent somewhere over the internet? Do ya feel safe,now, punk!?!

@ m0rbid. I know where you're coming from, mate. I, too, know a fair bit about computers, security etc. Keyloggers - hate them, although they can be fun if you want to get revenge on someone who's ripped you off before(not that I would ever condone that type of thing as I just ain't that type of person and I think hacking is bad )
The only way you can be truly secure is

1) Don't go online
2) Don't install any software
3) just don't get a computer. cos without the above 2, what's the point?

p.s. like your 11th commandment

[Edited on 12/12/03 by funlovincriminal]

funlovincriminal

Excatly. It's what you said or...getting a Mac. lol...

(but I'd rather have an unsecure pc than a mac - no offense to anyone, it's just a question of preference)