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posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 01:05 PM
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What would be worst that could happen if religion disappeared tomorrow?

We have books telling us of how god did this, that, and the other. Then it stopped, god just sort of disappeared from the overt actions he seemed to like to show in those days. Now we just have people claiming miracles from the most minor of evidence, none really based in anything objective, people like Pat Robertson seeing natural events, such as hurricanes, as a judgement from some absent minder. But he's really only a subjective thing. God disappeared and things have, overall in my opinion, actually got better.

So what happens if religions disappear? Would spiritual anarchy be a better solution?

I can think of many good things that could happen. But what bad things would result?

[edit on 19-1-2007 by melatonin]




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 04:18 PM
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mel, if religion disappeared tomorrow there would be only 1 negative effect

addicts of all sorts that have replaced their respective addictions with religion (a quite potent opiate) would have to find somewhere else to turn

[edit on 1/19/07 by madnessinmysoul]



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 01:28 PM
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so, are we all done with further discussion on this thread now?

because, i think this is still an interesting topic to talk about
so, a future without religion
let's discuss some more



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 03:37 PM
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This thread is officially over.

Just kidding!


So, what would you like to further discuss madness?

How religion is a bunch of crock?



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 03:39 PM
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Well, I have an good question above.

What is the worst thing that would happen if religion disappeared tomorrow?



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by melatonin
Well, I have an good question above.

What is the worst thing that would happen if religion disappeared tomorrow?


In one word, Nihilism.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
In one word, Nihilism.


though i doubt the entire world would embrace Nihilism, i still have to ask one question

what's so bad about Nihilism?



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by thehumbleone
In one word, Nihilism.


though i doubt the entire world would embrace Nihilism, i still have to ask one question

what's so bad about Nihilism?


Depression, pessimism, corruption, perversion ect, ect.

I am very young, I am growing up with theses kinds of kids, older people might not see it, but they would be shocked at how pessimistic many young kids are, not to mention, it seems like all my friend are porn addicted perverts,

Oh yeah, all the crap we watch on TV that desensitizes us to murder.

I mean, look at the culture we live in compared to the 50's, the murder rate has skyrocketed, divorce and broken homes have skyrocketed, children out of wedlock has skyrocketed.

I almost forgot, suicide rates have skyrocketed, this generation we live in is destroying our youth.

What a shame.:shk:

[edit on 20-1-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 04:21 PM
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What's wrong with being a porn addicted pervert?



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by RedDragon
What's wrong with being a porn addicted pervert?


Are you serious, if you are that blind I will explain it to you.

Pornography distorts peoples perception of sexuality, the women that come out on those videos, are a fantasy.

Do you think real women are like that?

All pornography does is distort our perception of women in our society.


[edit on 20-1-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
Depression, pessimism, corruption, perversion ect, ect.


i asked about nihilism
those are components of nihilism ... NOT



I am very young, I am growing up with theses kinds of kids, older people might not see it, but they would be shocked at how pessimistic many young kids are, not to mention, it seems like all my friend are porn addicted perverts,


well, i'm not very young, i'm young (18)
i see those kinds of poeple
but that's still no nihilism



I mean, look at the culture we live in compared to the 50's, the murder rate has skyrocketed, divorce and broken homes have skyrocketed, children out of wedlock has skyrocketed.


oh, the 50s
the great era of oppression
targeted againt:
racial minorities
ethnic minorities
religious minorities
and women

when you have an oppressive power structure, of course control will increase



I almost forgot, suicide rates have skyrocketed, this generation we live in is destroying our youth.
[edit on 20-1-2007 by thehumbleone]


seems like you are criticizing general american culture here, not nihilism
none of those things have to do with less religion



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone

Originally posted by melatonin
Well, I have an good question above.

What is the worst thing that would happen if religion disappeared tomorrow?


In one word, Nihilism.


Why do you think nihilism would be the norm?

Would you suddenly start murdering and raping people because religion didn't exist?

That's kinda scary...



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 04:56 PM
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@ madness

Here is the definition of nihilism, since you obviously don't know what it means.



nihilism
- total rejection of social mores: the general rejection of established social conventions and beliefs, especially of morality and religion
- belief that nothing is worthwhile: a belief that life is pointless and human values are worthless
- disbelief in objective truth: the belief that there is no...

nihilism (n)
negativism, pessimism, nothingness, emptiness, anarchism, skepticism


Does it sound like people of today? Yes



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
Does it sound like people of today? Yes


I don't know if it does. I'm sure it would apply to some, it probably always has. Plus, scepticism is actually a good thing.

I've never had a faith, yet, even during my lowest points, I've never embraced nihilism. Why do think that is?

You do know that the secular european countries are no more socially dysfunctional than the US? Yet according to you, we must be embracing nihilism.

But, again, why do you think nihilism would the norm?

[edit on 20-1-2007 by melatonin]



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 05:25 PM
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But, again, why do you think nihilism would the norm?

[edit on 20-1-2007 by melatonin]


UHH, hello, even Nietzsche foresaw this, hence, his idea of the Superman came about, to give people like you a purpose.

[edit on 20-1-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
UHH, hello, even Neitszche foresaw this, hence, his idea of the Superman came about, to give people like you a purpose.


I wasn't really asking about Neitzsche, why do you think nihilism would be the norm?



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 05:37 PM
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Why? Because if there is no God, there is no consequences, what would be the worst that could happen to you, Death?

On the other hand, if there is a God, you got a whole lot to worry about, especially after this life.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
Why? Because if there is no God, there is no consequences, what would be the worst that could happen to you, Death?

On the other hand, if there is a God, you got a whole lot to worry about, especially after this life.


How are there not consequences?

We have laws with associated punishments. We have a conscience that will punish us (those that have one at least). Social groups have rules.

The states in the US that are more religious are not less socially dysfunctional than other states or countries that are more secular. They have just as much murder, crime, and teenage pregnancy as secular places (if not more). Why is this?



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 06:11 PM
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The states in the US that are more religious are not less socially dysfunctional than other states or countries that are more secular. They have just as much murder, crime, and teenage pregnancy as secular places (if not more). Why is this?




Let me see, I would say human nature, not that hard to figure out, really.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
Let me see, I would say human nature, not that hard to figure out, really.


Ok, good. we are getting somewhere.

So, religion isn't important. Human nature is. Some people are bad, some people are good. Religion is of no consequence. Yes?

ABE: We could go a step further and use Steven Weinberg's quote...

"Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things -- that takes religion."

I guess you wouldn't agree with that though.


[edit on 20-1-2007 by melatonin]




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