Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I read your post, LT.
Is this me?
You are now adding to it. What business did you start?
I didn't start any, but I was part of one; it was software consulting. I wrote user manuals and instructions.
I know guys who have low startup lawn care services that are bringing in some serious Jack.
And I knew some guys who sold dope. For every success story, there is a failure story. How many failures could be turned around from a college
That is just one example. And, even if education is a need, go and get it! You don't have to get it at others' expense. Its your life, make your
priorities, set your goals and go after them.
Okay. How does this relate to college funding? First you say you'd be in favor of "charities," next you say "you don't have to get it at other's
expense." You're not being consistent.
You're comparing the military to corporate America to creating your own business? Your thoughts are convoluted.
Absolutely not. I'm comparing upward mobility in corporate America versus the military. Chances of mobility are higher in both sectors with college
Regardless, it does not take the government, ie., the taxpayers, to pay for your college. I have my own family to worry about, I cannot afford to
worry about yours.
So you want a good economy, you want children to know "calculus and chemistry," and you want the crime rate to fall, but you don't want to
If that's your prerogative, fine. I can't argue with that.
Were you not so taxed by a monstrous government, maybe you could pursue your dreams more easily.
I got 100% tax breaks. If I got paid more by big corporations, I could pursue my dreams more easily.
As far as rehabilitation, I doubt much has changed in the last 11 years when it comes to human nature. No, giving an education does not change a
human. As a matter of fact, according to your reasoning, corporate, white collar crime is a myth.
How do you figure that? Funny, I don't remembering even mentioning white collar crime. Sure, it's a problem, but I'd rather have a guy funneling
off money from my Visa card than have guys running dope in the apartment next to me.
Even if it were a fact, is it "fair" (I know liberals are all about fairness)
I'm a liberal now?
that I have to pay for both the tuition of a criminal that had all the advantages I had when growing up (public education, free lunches, free
transportation to and from school, welfare for the families, etc.) as well as my own familiy? No, I do not think so. The payoff for responsibility
should not be to subsidize the degenerates of society, beyond prison costs.
So what options do they have when they get out of prison? Get a job at Exxon as a corporate lawyer?
By the way, while my family was not at all well to do, as a matter of fact, we ate cheap stuff on a regular basis that most nowadays would not eat on
a camping trip, we did not do the welfare thing.
Well, I'm happy for you. In school, I had to eat free lunches and I got teased for it. You know what I could have eaten if it wasn't for free
As far as the public education, there wasn't really a thing called home-schooling, and my parents abided by the law and sent us to school.
Speaking of which, while I was a correctional officer
(To answer your earlier ignorant question, the inmates got free education, not the correctional officers)
Okay. My bad. I thought it was the correctional officers.
I saw a few people with whom I went to public school. While I wore blue, they wore white, with numbers on their shirts. What was the
difference? Why, when I went to the military and served my country and went on from there, they decided to be dirtbags? I don't know, but education
didn't help up to that point.
No, your are quite wrong. College doesn't make you "better citizens" but it can very well make you a better criminal. College does not create
character. Far from it.
And what gives people better character? Family values? What about people with dysfunctional families? What about people with no families?
I am in no way saying an education is a bad thing, not at all. If you want it, go and get it. You already have gotten some, but there is more to
get, so go for it! I am! But we should not expect the taxpayers to pay for it.
I can't argue with that. If you don't want to share, then that's your business.
Now, let's say that the feds haven't violated the constitution 6 ways from Sunday and we weren't spending money in numerous other ways we
shouldn't be, then would it be such a heavy burden to do this unconstitutional thing (No matter how you play with the words, it would be
unconstitutional)? Maybe not. But, you see, this money people want to spend doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from the taxpayers. You know, the
ones who are at the same time trying to pay for their own way through this world.
Dude... do you really want to live in a world where, when you need some help, people say "tough luck?" I sure don't. It sounds like you don't
want to spend anything on anyone. If you truly believe that getting taxed an extra few bucks to fund the local state college is a fate worse than
death, then what can I say? The only thing I can say is that college makes for smarter, well-informed people, and something should be in place to make
it more accessible.