Originally posted by TRAINEDFORTHIS
Originally posted by lilblam
The Christian information about a creation comes from a mistranslation of the Jewish Testament. The Jewish text reads:
"In beginning, the GODS MADE the heaven and the earth."
The Christians CHANGED that to read:
"In THE beginning, GOD CREATED the heaven and the earth."
In other words, the concept of a creation stems from a MISTRANSLATION - from a LIE. Think about that!
Reply: Isn't it great that because of God's given freewill that anyone can believe anything they want to and say anything they want to. However
this is only true for now. All will eventually have to deal with the consequences of the decisions they have made.
Thanks for commenting................
OH REALLY? Here's my conversation with someone who DOES speak Hebrew, in a U2U.
Now is what he says precise? Was it changed from "the GODS MADE" to "GOD CREATED" ?
The original text of the first sentence of the bible confused many people. I can't type it for you in hebrew because of computer
limitations so I will transliterate it for you.
It states "Bereishis Bara Elokim".
Hebrew grammar is not like english grammar, it's more similar to the other semitic languages grammar. Be (in) Reishis (the beginning) Bara (created)
The problem here was that the Ptolemy wanted a translation of the old testament for his library. He decided to take 70 great rabbis and have them
translate it to make sure that they do it accurately. This is known as the Septuagint.
The rabbis realized that if they leave it in it's current grammar form it will look like Bereshis created Elokim. The question would then arise, who
created god? So the change was made by all of them (remarkably in different rooms) to "Elokim Bara Bereishis". God created in the beginning...
Again grammatically, hebrew is different than english. The switch of the words did not alter the full sentence which reads "bereishis bara elokim et
hashamayim v'et ha'aretz". In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth. It changed it to "God created, in the beginning, the heavens
and the earth."
Hope that's helpful to you
Isn't Elokim = Elohim? Well either way, isn't Elokim PLURAL and Eloka or Eloha would be singular? Then it would be "GODS" (that's what I heard,
so I'm just asking you). And is the word precisely MADE or CREATED? Made would be like shaped, constructed. Created would be created out of nothing.
Is there maybe another word in hebrew for created? What can you tell me about that?
it is forbidden for a jew to use god's name in vain. When a jew is praying he will say elohim. When just mentioning the name, a slight change is made
to elokim to prevent the use of gods names in vain.
As for the plurality of it... you've hit one of the hardest questions in all of judaism. I have excellent knowledge of judaism but am no rabbi. What
about the line in genesis stating "Na'aseh Adam betzalmeinu kidmusainu" let US make a man in our image? Us? Who in the hell is us? yeah it's
confusing. God has many names in the jewish tradition. El, Elohim, Adonai, YHVH (pronounciation lost in 70AD but sometimes mislabelled as jehovah),
and a 22 letter name also lost in the destruction of the temple that was only spoken by the high priest on Yom Kippur. It is very hard to understand a
lot of this. Is god talking to angels when he says let us? is there more than one god? or is god just using a plural i.e. the royal "we are not
amused". it's hard for any of us to say one way or the other. my personal view is the royal we because various other writings make it seem
impossible for there to be more than one god, and angels do not have free will. (the difference between man and angel is free will). am i confusing
you yet? i'm sorry. it's something that old men with white beards have spent their whole lives studying and it still confuses them!! they know more
than me, i can just do my best
No didn't confuse me Thanks.. that was insightful.. I just learned something spontaneously that I didn't even plan on. You said Adonai
right? Well there's a psychic who calls himself "Sollog Adonai... (some last name here)". www.sollog.com...
Now, he is a fraud. But he also calls himself God, and says he speaks for God and only HE, and no one else. You know, the usual crap. I didn't think
that his middle name was one of the names for God also, so you learn something every day! This is all rather interesting, to say the least!
Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it.
Adonai comes from the root "adon" which means master. Sounds like that guy is a first class nutcase
happy to have helped out with that stuff since it can be very confusing. any other questions feel free to drop me a line.