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Seeing as aliens seems to be synonymous with christanity to you. I would like to pose the following questions, which I have thought out, please do answer:
17: If our eventual fate is to go to heaven or hell, why do we come to this world? Is it a test? If so, why is the test done in the fist place?
18: Why are there so many religions? Which one is right, and which ones are wrong? Are they all right?
19: Are white skinned people better or equal to other races?
20: If Christanity is a religion of god, why have so many wars been fought in the name of it?
21: If the bible has been written by 66 or more different people, did all 66 of them have the same godly knowledge? If so, why has it been revised so many times. Why did they write the bible? Why wasn't the bible written by one person?
22: Why do many religions have their own bible? Who wrote those?
23: Why did the fallen angels create aliens?
24: What makes god, god? Is it because he created the universe? If so, if man created a universe, could he come god? Therefore, what is the degree of distinction between man and god?
25: If man grew so powerful, he destroyed god, what would happen?
Originally posted by Nano
My guess on "who is the Antichrist" is Berlusconi the prime minister of italy and his false prophet the pope. <
the new pope , the pope in right now is about to die and the new younger pope is about to come in, the false prophet.
Originally posted by daniel191159
Originally posted by TRAINEDFORTHIS
COMMENTARY
1. There are those who think it is a crock just because they "SAY SO". But you will notice they never give a reason other than because they say so.Thanks for reading................
I beg to differ. I, along with others have given reasons; the posted reasons are as follows.
Originally posted by elevatedone
still no concrete answers, only promises of more answers and proof at a later date !
Originally posted by Gazrok
Ok, I get this now (as others apparently did...) It's the ideas that aliens, etc. are demons/devils, yadda yadda....and that it's all part of a war between heaven and hell, where souls are the prize, etc.
A little Dante' don't you think?
Continued by Gazork
Oh, and Bigfoot type aliens and UFOs are very well documented... I'm sure many here knew that already, but thought I'd clarify, as you attempted to correct me on that, hehe...
Well, each is entitled to their own opinion...and thank you for your answers....the evidence points more towards extra-terrestrials, than demons. Sure, you could argue that it's all part of their deception, etc. but it's a rather elaborate con isn't it? I mean, if this were truly the case, there have been ample opportunities for them to use this deceipt and influence to hasten the apacolypse....(Cuban Missile Crisis, Phantom Nuke Scenarios, etc.) Seems like unnecessary elaboration of the scam to me...
Continued by Gazork
So, I'm assuming by trained, you mean Theology? I wouldn't put too much stock in the philosophical ramblings of drunk old men (i.e. the authors of the Bible and the numerous revisions/rewritings since), designing religion as a tool for corruption and control, but hey...to each his own..
Originally posted by Grouch
i can't believe you give this guy anysort of credence. I havn't read anything of his that provided any major truths or evidences.
Originally posted by daniel191159
His "answers" for your valid questions show the same patterns as that of a person suffering from paranoia.
Originally posted by earthtone
With Heelstone on this one, you gotta give us more information then just 'they are decptive' and 'i was trained for this' or nobody here will be able to take you seriously. We often get people spreading bull# on the board. Will not instantly dismiss you, but we need more clarification of the authenticity of your information
Originally posted by elevatedone
still no concrete answers, only promises of more answers and proof at a later date !
Originally posted by daniel191159
Saying that all alien life forms are here to cause trouble is a statistical improbable and his statement that there is only one species of alien life is a statistical impossibility.
Originally posted by banjoechef
ok i was gonna read the whole thread but i just couldn't make it through, this guy seems to know nothing as he hasn't given much more than few line answers, i think theres aliens, some trying to control us some to help us, we're here on earth to make it to the multidimensional stuff
aliens waited till now to try and reall influence us because of the big communication crud we have.
this junk about deception is stupid, they are only trying to deceive a small amount of ppl if this is true because the humans who have power should be able to see the evil in them unless the leaders have always been deceptive aliens clones in which case those who wrote the bible are deceptive alien clones
drugs can't be part of the deception because they are plants created by god for our use, and many drugs allow people to see throught the so called lizard reality into truth.
if your deceptive alien theory is true then civilization and knowledge is the true antichrist because the aliens brought civilization to most anceint tribes, and civlizatin is the only means by which the aliens can spread this deception becase humanity would have to work togeterh to destroy itself
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
i dont see why you people are giving him the time of day. the answers were getting fit right in with other crackpots and their end of the world scenarios etc and so on. convienient answers which only lead to more questions. carefully dodging the question only to present more false leads.
These are just the posts on pages one through six that support thier disbelief in you with some form of logic rather than "because I say so" statements.
For all of you out there who still believe this sorry excuse for a fraud, take note that his feeble attempts at refuting those who don't believe him are composed of these "because I say so" statement (as are his "answers" to your questions) as well as retorts that do not follow logically (as shown by his above comment and the above posts).
Here is a question for you Trainedforthis.
How old are you and how does it feel to have your false theories brought to light be a simple teenager?
Originally posted by lilblam
The Christian information about a creation comes from a mistranslation of the Jewish Testament. The Jewish text reads:
"In beginning, the GODS MADE the heaven and the earth."
The Christians CHANGED that to read:
"In THE beginning, GOD CREATED the heaven and the earth."
In other words, the concept of a creation stems from a MISTRANSLATION - from a LIE. Think about that!
Either the God of the Old Testament made a mistake and used the word "made" when he should have used the word "create" in telling us about a beginning, or the New Testament God made a mistake and used the word "create" instead of the word "made" to describe a beginning. In other words, one of these Gods is lying to us. Which God is lying to us?
Since the Old Testament God told his tale first and then the New Testament God plagiarized his work, I must assume the New Testament God is the real liar in this case. Of course, if you do not wish to give the New Testament God the credit for this lie, you could give that credit to the writers of the holy book.
[Edited on 8-1-2004 by lilblam]
Originally posted by cobra
How long has man been on earth?
Are there any living beings on any of the planets in our solar system?
What will happen to the innocent children that have not been able to find god?
Originally posted by SamuraiSwords
Ive read every message in this thread over the past couple of days. Im not a religious person but ive found this very interesting.
I have so many comments and a few questions, so if they come out slightly mixed up dont jump down my throat.
This whole Aliens experimenting on humans to discover how to create a soul is weird because many months ago before this thread was started, I read a book called UFO sightings and there was a paragragh about the american military base Dulce. Apparently there is a mixture of Humans, Aliens and Hybrids in underground bunkers. It was allegied in the Book that the Aliens where and continue to experiment on humans in one of those bunkers, Among the procedures included experiments on trying to remove the human soul.
I watched a program about the Bible codes a while ago, It predicted a nuclear holocaust in 2005/6. In a post by Trainedforthis, while he was telling about his message about the New World Order or New World Goverment he said America/Babylon would fall before the NWO would come to power. Could this nuclear holocaust be the fall of America??
Also will the announcement come before or after the fall of america??
I have one final thing to say, Lets give Trainedforthis a chance, If you dont believe him fine you dont have to read this thread. There is no need to write abusive posts to him. I for one am interested in what he has to say, lets just hear him out.
Originally posted by TRAINEDFORTHIS
Reply: As I have stated above, NO explanation other than "because they say so". I hope all understands that a "SIMPLE" teenager can never replace the love and concern of your "WISE" heavenly Father who is actually the author of this warning. I just deliver the mail.
Thanks for commenting and asking.................
Originally posted by lostinspace
What is your answer to this?
When the gods came down to earth and intermarried with the daughters of men, what did God do to end their reign in the physical form? Flooding the Earth with water is not the complete answer. There was more done in the heavens to start this.
Do you know the secret of Planets?
Originally posted by TRAINEDFORTHIS
Originally posted by lostinspace
What is your answer to this?
When the gods came down to earth and intermarried with the daughters of men, what did God do to end their reign in the physical form? Flooding the Earth with water is not the complete answer. There was more done in the heavens to start this.
Reply: First of all gods did not come down to earth and intermarry with the daughters of men.........SONS OF GOD DID!!! There is only ONE God. Secondly the Flooding of the Earth was part of a "POLE SHIFT". Which was the last POLE SHIFT earth experienced!!! Other than this there was nothing else.
Do you know the secret of Planets?
Reply: There is no such thing as "The secret of Planets". Yet there are MANY things about planets that humanity of Earth does not understand.
Thanks for asking..................
Originally posted by Grouch
Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....
2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
Matthew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Matthew 24:10-13 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. (NIV)
Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
how many of these do you think apply here?
Comment made off thread:
Question asked by Trained for This to commentator:
Reply: What do you base your information on?
Commentators response
Lets see: Over 150 years of study by the geological sciences. Extensive geophysical studies over every region of the planet. An enormous amount of verified, tested and retested scientific observations. Verified information that is readily available.
What do YOU base your information on?
Please understand, from my standpoint, it sounds like you are saying "Someone told me this, so its true. You have facts figures and history, but I believe what someone told me."
If you have specific evidence for any of your assertions, I would very much like to see what you have!
Reply: You have facts from Earthly humans that are corrupted. Also I need no evidence to give this message....the actual occurence of the events mentioned will take care of themselves. You will actually "see what I have" then. I thank you for your links but I do not read your links becaue why should I go back to a 5 mhz IBM clone computer when the Holy Spirit is much more knowledgeable?
Again, as a professional geologist, and as a student of historical catastrophic events, I can say that your statement holds no specific evidence to support it.
There is NO evidence within the geologic record to support a physical spin axis shift, other than normal precession, throughout history. Can you provide any?
As far as the Global Flood of Genesis, there is precious little evidence to support it. Indeed, there have been massive flood events throughout history:
The Chixulub asteroid impact off the coast of the Yucatan likely relocated half of the water of the Gulf of Mexico across much of North and South America. However, this was 65 million years ago, and was the event that ended the reign of the dinosaurs, and marked the end of the Cretacious period. Surely you are not referring to this?
Around 100,000 to 150,000 years ago, a massive glacier dam melted in Eastern Canada, releasing the equivalent of the contents of the Great Lakes across much of the US Northeast, to finally end up in the Atlantic Ocean. Incidentally, the introduction of such a volume of fresh water into the Atlantic suppressed the "Atlantic Conveyor" thermal system, and triggered a massive ice age.
Indeed, in the geologic record, there is precious little to support the idea of the Global Flood as described in Genesis.
Strange that we can however find evidence of much lesser floods much further back than what should have stood out glaringly in the geologic record...
Reply: we could go back and forth with you never proving that the information I present as a messenger is incorrect. So in the interest of time allow me to put a few things in their proper perspective.
1. First of all that you are entitled to your opinons. It is a part of our free will.
2. You have mentioned your earthly support and qualifications. Right now above everything else, I believe you mean well. However there are some important facts that you are not aware of that I will address here. I believe that you are a very intelligent earthly human. But what does that truly mean? Well if you place a group of retarded people in a room, none of them would know that they are retarded. This is because they would all be on the same level of understanding and have no one to compare themselves with. For instance a computer with 20 mhz seemed good when it was the top at its time. Windows 3.1 was great when it was the top thing availabe at one time. All of humanity of earth are alike in that they have been infected by a disease that most refuse to recognize. Because of this disease, mankind brain functions have been severely affected. The word retard means to SLOW down. It does not mean or even imply that one is crazy. It is known that mankind only uses a small percentage of his brain. There is a reason for this. Because of this infection mankinds brain has slowed down. God knew it would happen and allowed it to happen for it would actually allow mankind to have a longer life before destroying himself. If you compare EARTH with OTHER planetary societies where this disease is not present, then you would be able to see just how far mankind is behind. I am no different than anyone else born on this planet but I have been allowed to have the assistance of the Holy Spirit in this retarded state that we are in. In order to make greater use of the brain mankind would need to understand his SPIRITUAL side. For it is the spirit of man that was meant to be DEEPLY involved with the use of the brain. Mankind of Earth sadly has had his SPIRIT corrupted with the disease I speak of. So when mankind speaks of his GREAT KNOWLEDGE, he is not aware that is knowledge has been limited because of his corrupted spirit. Just for comparison sake lets just say that God meant for mankind to be this powerful processor of knowledge with powerful RAM and high Megahertz rating. But of course this disease I speak of has reduced mankind of Earth to a 5 mhz IBM clone with 5 mb of Ram. On Earth mankinds brain is only capable of computing but so much. What is interesting is that the mind of the scientists of earth have trouble when they can not DISCOVER anymore information and they reach a brick wall. What their minds are saying is "IT DOES NOT COMPUTE". It does not fit that which is already in the mind. The phrase that is used today to mean "IT DOES NOT COMPUTE" is "SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE". That is a request for more information. So science concludes that if there is no evidence then it cannot be true. Therefore when there was no evidence to prove the earth was round THE EARTH WAS SQUARE.
Sadly, man, in this puffed up state of thinking he has much knowledge, is not aware of his retarded condition. To further emphasize the retardation of mankind, Fallen Angels and the Alien clones are MUCH MORE knowledgeable then mankind of Earth, but they are also retarded. They have not learned anything much more since the time they originally fell BILLIONS of years ago.
So when geologists of Earth look at rocks and say "rocks don't say this", their interpretation of the information from the rock is GROSSLY off because their CORRUPTED SPIRITS do not properly work with their brains. So mankind of earth is resigned to making SPECULATIVE statements and words like:
possible, possibly, It is believed, likely, perhaps, I think.
And finally the disease I have spoken of in this post is called "SIN".
Thanks for commenting..................
SPECIAL NOTE
A Great Deception/Fallen Angels/UFO's/Aliens
Originally asked off thread
-------Ok TFT, lets assume that these alien creatures are approaching and that the government is cooperating with them, plus these beings have informed the United States government about future events, why would the United States Government still have the need to sink billions of dollars into this supposed war on terrorism, it would appear more likely that if they had some inkling of future events that all their capital and effort would go to resolve this matter first, rather then waste precious time on World Domination .
---- My question is; why are we fighting this war on terrorism when the end is so near.
You stated earlier that the Government will make the Announcement and several postings later you stated;
Reply: The date of this Formal Public ANNOUNCEMENT is not allowed to be know;
I think that you have contradicted your self with this statement, if the government did have some kind of knowledge that would mean thousands of people would have this same information, furthermore the GOV leaks as much secret information as my dog pees on the carpet.