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posted on Dec, 30 2003 @ 04:32 PM
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ALIEN INFLUENCE



There may be some who do not think that this thread has nothing to do with ALIENS. However I just want to quickly inform those who believe this, that the soon ALIEN ANNOUNCEMENT will not only affect mankind before the rapture BUT very much so AFTER THE RAPTURE!!! The aliens will be most actively mingling among mankind on a regular basis. This INFLUENCE will cause mankind to change HIMSELF from existing in the image of God and become more like the BEINGS that belong in a SCIFI movie. FUTURISTIC indeed!!! Beings because of some much genetic tampering and genectic altering, who will no longer be able to possess a SOUL to house their SPIRITS. SAD but true when Jesus returns at the end of the final 1000 years left there will not be much humanity left to deal with. Because of this ALIEN ANNOUNCEMENT, by the end of this CENTURY, mankind will no longer be much like he started out or intended to be. So you can only imagine what the final 1000 years will bring forth. Of course this is all by design of Satan and his fallen angels/ALIENS!!!

Thanks for reading.............




posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by Gazrok

Wasn't there a city in New Mexico with a recent mass citing of a HUGE ship, where the govenor at first admitted/promised serious investigation; then backed off?


Phoenix. However, to me, this has been sufficiently proven to be military flares...(likely a psi-ops test).


Unlike Gazrok I have seen the Phoenix lights and know that the closest spot where the military uses such flares is almost a hundred miles away from where the Phoenix lights were sighted.


Reply: It is true that there are mother ships that are used to support the Alien presence. These ships can range from the size of a FOOTBALL FIELD to actually being 10 MILES WIDE!!! All that they need for experimentation of humanity for the sake of helping Satan to try to discover how to create a soul is on these ships.

Thanks for commenting............



posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by AlecEiffel
TRAINEDFORTHIS. I've been reading your topics on Godlike productions, and I've skimmed through this, I believe you, as a Christian. It makes sense, Ive been thinking about things like this lately. Anyways, Ive been reading the Bible a lot and trying to be patient with the Lord. I just have some questions for you regarding the after life. You say that we are given new bodies to travel in, called Morning Star, or something.. What do you mean by this? What is it? Do we still look the same?


Reply: The new bodies we are given to LIVE in is called the "MORNING STAR". This is not just for travel. Of course since you have read Revelations info you have read about this body. Also we will still look the same but more like what we looked like at about AGE 26!!!

I realize I shouldnt be asking you, I should be asking Him, but I'm interested in what you have to say, I've read revelations, and heard what it says about Heaven, so please dont tell me to read such and such, I'm interested in what you believe Heaven is like?

Reply: What I HAVE TO SAY about Heaven will only be what I have been informed of. Heaven is a very real place but it is not where we do our work for the Lord. Our work for the Lord calls for us to be DISPATCHED to other planets to assist God in His PLANNED WORKINGS in the Universe. There are many planets in trouble and God wants our assistance as "Sons of God" to help His other children who are also in the same trouble as Earth. Of Course we are given the choice to go or not to go.

Im also curious as to how you found God? If you dont mind sharing? Im still waiting for Jesus to reveal himself to me...kind of discouraging at times, but I must be patient, its weird for me though, at times, I feel he is trying to talk with me, and other times, I feel completely nothing.

Reply: My friend, God is ALWAYS there with you. It is not in the seeing of Him or even of the feeling of Him. It is through BELIEVING that He is there that you begin to KNOW that He is there. Incidents like the burning bush of Moses is only a rare incident in the Bible and should in no way be interpreted as the NORM for a relationship with God. Remember He is just there ALL THE TIME, whether you feel something or even when you don't feel anything. I came to KNOW God by BELIEVING in Him FIRST. He can be everywhere at the same time BECAUSE HE IS GOD!!!

Of course Aliens/fallen angels are aware of this and hope you don't ever learn or know this. They prefer that you look for SENSATIONALISM at all times. They only care for your destruction.

Thanks for asking............



posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 05:13 PM
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Every possible form which energy and/or matter can take, must be in use and exists today in time and space. Why? Because we are always in the middle of Eternity. Eternity is a two way street. Eternity runs both ways don't you know. These forms will include universes about which we know nothing. It will include undiscovered transformations of energy/matter, and any other undiscovered condition, forms or expressions which energy and/or matter may take.

When we speak of a God here, we are only speaking of that concept fostered upon us by the Christian religion which claims that a God is the creator of all that is. They claim a God was preexistent. That is, before there was anything, there was a God.

By using this Christian definition, we are eliminating the many varied little concepts of a God. Most of those activities, miracles and controversies (if they are true) could also be attributed to some super race of long lived aliens, and they need not be classified as gods. Aliens could easily possess powers, technologies and abilities which seem god like to our infant science. But, they are only advancements which some day even we may possess. So we are only dealing with the Christian concept of a creator God.

To say that before anything existed, a God existed, is an oxymoron. Such a statement can neither be understood nor conceived by our minds. It can not possibly be true and here is why. If a God existed, then that God is something. And something is not nothing. So the universe could not have possibly come from nothing. It must have come from something. Thom's law explains that.

Thom's Law
"Nothing can not produce something. If there was ever a time when there was nothing, there would STILL be nothing."

So even a God (which is something) could not be produced by nothing. Therefore, if a God came into being, he must have come out of something. The only "something" which exists now and has always existed is that of energy and/or matter.

So, any God (or anything else) must be, or must have been, the product of something. Everything which is, must be a product of energy and/or matter.

Now that is strike one against the Christians who say that a God preexisted nothing. Or, as some say, a God coexisted with nothing. That is, while there was nothing, there was also a God. (Unless, of course, you wish to claim that God IS nothing. I could accept that claim, but then I would not be here would I? Proof enough. I am here.) So, you can not have a God (which is something) and say that before him, there was nothing. You must either start with a God, which is something (and came from something) or you must start with nothing. For sure, you can not have it both ways. If there is a God, he is something and something can not come out of nothing.

Strike two says, since there was something which must have predated a God, God could not have created everything. He could not have created himself if he was not himself to start with. God himself/herself/it would have to be developed from something that was NOT a God. God is claimed to have knowledge and character. Knowledge and character MUST be developed. It can not be decreed. It can not be magically waved into existence. Knowledge and character is a PRODUCT of life and living. It is a product of making wise and foolish choices. It is a product of growth.

Did a God have the knowledge to create or make a universe? Where did he develop that knowledge? It is inconceivable that God simply sneezed and the universe came into being. I don't think even the Christians would believe that.

To have the knowledge to create, or even to make a universe, God must have had some prior experience, some development, some trials and errors in how and why this worked and that did not. Also, the Christians attribute lots of wonderful attributes to their God. God is all good. God is all great. God is all just. God is all wise. God is all knowing. God is everywhere. God is all powerful, and so forth.

That is, the Christians give God a good, moral and powerful character. Now character can not be developed in a vacuum. Character must be developed by trial and error. Character must be developed by finding out what is good and what works. To do this one must also find out what is bad and does not work. Character must always answer the question, "Why?" in order to develop. Character is a growth process.

Therefore, there must have been other individuals and intelligences with whom God could interact in order to develop a good character. There must be at least a family of them. Therefore, God is not alone. So, other intelligence demands some type of setting in which they could interact. They must have a place, a home of sorts. So we now must allow God to have at least a family, a home and a setting, or a place of operating, in order to develop his character. So that is strike two against a creator God being by HIMSELF, and at the same time having both a good character and ultimate science knowledge. God could not decree himself a good character or vast scientific knowledge. He would not know what was good or what to decree. He must have developed that knowledge.

In addition to this, God talked! How could a God language develop without other like beings with whom to communicate. Come on now! Think about it!

Next, we come to strike three. If there was something out of which God came, then there was already material available to make a universe. That is, God could not possibly have created the universe. However, God could have MADE the universe. That is, he could have taken the material which was available and MADE the universe out of that.

The Christian information about a creation comes from a mistranslation of the Jewish Testament. The Jewish text reads:
"In beginning, the GODS MADE the heaven and the earth."

The Christians CHANGED that to read:

"In THE beginning, GOD CREATED the heaven and the earth."

In other words, the concept of a creation stems from a MISTRANSLATION - from a LIE. Think about that!
Either the God of the Old Testament made a mistake and used the word "made" when he should have used the word "create" in telling us about a beginning, or the New Testament God made a mistake and used the word "create" instead of the word "made" to describe a beginning. In other words, one of these Gods is lying to us. Which God is lying to us?

Since the Old Testament God told his tale first and then the New Testament God plagiarized his work, I must assume the New Testament God is the real liar in this case. Of course, if you do not wish to give the New Testament God the credit for this lie, you could give that credit to the writers of the holy book.

There are those Christians who say (in spite of Thom's law) that God did come out of nothing. I have some questions. Is God supposed to be greater than the universe? The Christians say, "Yes." Then why didn't NOTHING create something smaller or less significant than a God in its first effort at creation? Why didn't NOTHING do something simple first? How would NOTHING have the wisdom to make something more important and more complex than itself, more important and complex than the whole universe? Why didn't NOTHING make the universe first and then make a God?

How did NOTHING make a God when it had not yet discovered how to make the hydrogen atom? The effort of making a God would have challenged all the resources of NOTHING, which resources of course is zero. Hydrogen atoms would not have strained the efforts, knowledge and power of NOTHING nearly as much as making something greater than the universe.

Did you know that believers in all ages have created gods? Today believers can create too! They make lots of gods using only the twenty six letters of the English alphabet.

Now it is a fact, you can not put a strain on zero. You can multiply it. You can divide it. You can add it. You can kick zero around, abuse it, smash it, cast it aside and guess what? It is still a perfect zero. So I do here by declare ZERO to be the only perfect number in the universe. Nothing you can do to it changes the value of ZERO. It is always and for ever - ZERO. You just can not get anything out of ZERO except ZERO. And NOTHING is ZERO. And ZERO is NOTHING. A God did not and COULD NOT come out of ZERO.

So, the Christian concept of a creator God goes down on a called strike three. From now on, the creator God must take his seat on the bench next to the rest of the religious gods who struck out. A God could not have preexisted that from which he came. He could not create himself. He could not create the universe without vast knowledge which he must have learned by trial and error. He could not have learned without other intelligence with whom to interact. He could not have created the universe from nothing when material (energy/matter) was already available from which to make it. The creator God strikes out.

Since there is no creator God, maybe there is a Maker God. Let us examine that next.

Updated 07/08/03

Coming next: THE MAKER GOD IS THROWN OUT!



posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 05:14 PM
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THE MAKER GOD IS THROWN OUT

We have moved from the impossible Christian oxymoron concept of a (creator) God, to a Jewish (maker) God concept which is more in keeping with our comprehension and understanding. But is this new God view valid? Did any God make the universe? Did the maker God sneeze and the universe came into being? Did he remark in his God language (to others), "Well, by Me! Look at THAT! What have I wrought? I think I will name it, THE UNIVERSE." No, my friends, I think not.

So, we must again face the need of vast knowledge. And to this we must also add PURPOSE! What would be the purpose of a God making a universe? What possibly COULD be the purpose? Did God really need and want a toy to play with? What do the Jews and Christians have to say about this?

Now, both the Jews and the Christians tell us that God does not need anything or anyone to make him satisfied. We are told that God is self sufficient. He is happy with himself. God is altogether perfect. We are told God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Yet, according to the writers of the holy book, we find God was NOT satisfied. He was not self sufficient, nor happy. God was lonesome, so he made at least a son and a ghost to keep him company. He also made his chess and game opponent - the Devil (Lucifer). It seems God DID need a toy to play with, so he made the universe and plays with it daily (according to the believers). Could it be that the universe and especially the earth, is the game board upon which God and the Devil play their games? Do they congratulate each other on wise moves? Do they wager on the outcome of the games? Does God ever lose? What kind of game would it be if you created an opponent who always loses? Even a God would not cheat like that - would he?

But God does not face the Devil alone. No! He has lots of advice on what moves to make. This advice is rendered daily (sometimes five times a day) by those who have appointed themselves as "God Advisors." These advisors call themselves BELIEVERS and proceed to advise and tell God what to do about life, the world and the universe. They call this strategic advise making - PRAYER.

Daily, and even hourly, God is bathed in the fervent prayers of the faithful believers. God seems to depend on these daily instructions and prayers to help him outline his vague work and play schedule. Without these constant instructions on how to conduct his business, play his games and run his universe, God would be at a loss to know if he should heal Aunt Mary or not. Without this advise (according to the believers), God would not know which team to let win the game (or the boxing match) (or the war).

Believers tell us God depends upon these polls from the snow white, granite minds to tell him what to do. Do the Christians really think God is the president of a democracy and daily waits for a consensus of public opinion before he knows what to do? Is it not possible God could do good, right and just things on his own without the guidance of the Christians and Jews? Am I getting this right?

These snow white, granite minds believe that God must have a consensus of public opinion, or else, he might just do the wrong thing and let Aunt Mary die. Or worst of all, God might just do nothing at all. But keep in mind, God is not lazy. He just needs some guidance. So God does stay busy because he gets a multitude of assignments. And let us not forget the many chores God must run for the granite minds.

There is a problem though. All of God's earthly advisors have less than a hundred years experience in the profession of "God Advisor" and certainly no more as "Divine Chore Supervisor". Now, this worries me! I am afraid they will misinform God. When God finds out he has been betrayed and led astray by his advisors on earth, he might decide to get rid of them (called the rapture). He might even clean the game board and in so doing decide to rid the earth of ALL earthlings (called apocalypse). We are told he almost did this once in the past (called the flood). Let us not provoke him into doing that again. I plead with all of you advisors, PLEASE! Let God run the world by himself and play his games without any advise from you! Let him make his own mistakes so we will not ALL be held liable.

About thirty years ago, God and I worked out an agreement. I promised I would let God be his own God and do his own thing, and God decided to let me be my own man and do my own thing. We are both very happy with the arrangement - especially God.

Why don't you make a similar agreement? It frees your mind and takes away the fear of the future. I live an honest life and let the future do with me as it sees fit. Whether you know it or not, the same will happen to you. Besides, a good God must love people who search for truth, who learn to use their minds which nature has graciously given us. Did you know any good and just God loves Atheists? Did you know a just God must be very disappointed in those who refuse to pursue truth, who refuse to look at BOTH sides of these important matters? Could it be that God will switch the name plates of hell and heaven?

There is something else here which bothers me. The snow white, granite minds have assumed divine prerogative and appointed themselves spies, scouts and monitors FOR God. They purpose to seek out and identify all the enemies of God. They then inform God who are his enemies. When God's justice is not swift and harsh on these newly invented enemies, the granite minds assume the divine prerogative of judge, jury and executioner. These Christians, who have classified Atheists as God's worst enemies, are at a loss why so many smart people become Atheists and yet live moral lives which are the envy of Christians.

The granite minds think God's patience is a vice. They do! They are afraid God will not be as expeditious and harsh in his judgment as they will. They do not trust God's justice. They do not trust his opinion, nor do they trust God to do his own work! So they do God's work.

Thus, we have doctors shot, clinics burned, political lies told, honest people harassed, religious lies told, prohibitions enacted, social lies told on minorities, boycotts of business, crusades against political and religious figures, ethnic cleansing, wars of conquest and more lies told. These granite minds tell us they are God's people, his front line troops. They tell us they have the truth and we should believe the same myths they do. We are told we should act like they do.

I am sorry granite minds. I am not that evil. I am not that religious. I have moral standards which keep me from harming my neighbor just because he is different from me. I have morals which keep me from believing that any God could be as cruel, base and juvenile as the granite minds insists he is. I have morals which keep me from telling lies to others and insisting that the lies are the truth. If there is a god, I know he must be JUST. And a just God could not cast a person into torment for all eternity simply because he could not believe the unbelievable, the immoral and the impossible.

No Just or Good God ever thirsted for sheep's blood, man's blood, nor did he thirst for the blood of his own kin. That is BARBARIC! That is simply UNBELIEVABLE!

According to the believers, God whips up rain at man's request. He removes mountains, throws lightening bolts, breathes hurricanes into destructive existence, stomps earthquakes into being, guides tornados along their destructive paths, and he moves comets, asteroids and stars around. Many other unbelievable and immoral actions are attributed to God by believers who claim God dabbles into the daily affairs of men and nations.

Of course, according to the believers, God does this to impress and punish non believers. He is so bent on attracting the attention of non believers, he is willing to destroy the just together with the unjust, the good with the bad. He does this in order to punish the non believers for their sin of Honest Doubt and Logical Thinking. Some say he sent the earthquake to San Francisco because of some immorality of a few citizens in that place. And he plans to do the same to Orlando, Florida. You remember they let some gay people have a parade. The snow white granite minds informed us of this terrible, terrible sin. They then instructed God to get on with the destruction. Didn't you notice the fires and hurricanes last year. God was punishing the whole state of Florida to get back at Orlando for letting gays march for about an hour.

The whole concept of a God making and running the universe boils down to this question. Is the universe religious? Is it a toy of the Almighty? Does the universe run at the whim and arbitration of a maker God? Can mere man tell God what to do about the Iraqis or the Irish? Does this Maker God send the winning numbers when we pray? Does the Almighty run the chores and errands of the granite minds? No! Certainly not!

The universe is natural and runs by the inherent laws of matter, energy and nature.

Yes it does!

There is no creator god and there is no maker god!

(BOTH PARTS copied FROM www.jovialatheist.com and are NOT mine)



posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by TRAINEDFORTHIS

Originally posted by AlecEiffel
TRAINEDFORTHIS. I've been reading your topics on Godlike productions, and I've skimmed through this, I believe you, as a Christian. It makes sense, Ive been thinking about things like this lately. Anyways, Ive been reading the Bible a lot and trying to be patient with the Lord. I just have some questions for you regarding the after life. You say that we are given new bodies to travel in, called Morning Star, or something.. What do you mean by this? What is it? Do we still look the same?


Reply: The new bodies we are given to LIVE in is called the "MORNING STAR". This is not just for travel. Of course since you have read Revelations info you have read about this body. Also we will still look the same but more like what we looked like at about AGE 26!!!

I realize I shouldnt be asking you, I should be asking Him, but I'm interested in what you have to say, I've read revelations, and heard what it says about Heaven, so please dont tell me to read such and such, I'm interested in what you believe Heaven is like?

Reply: What I HAVE TO SAY about Heaven will only be what I have been informed of. Heaven is a very real place but it is not where we do our work for the Lord. Our work for the Lord calls for us to be DISPATCHED to other planets to assist God in His PLANNED WORKINGS in the Universe. There are many planets in trouble and God wants our assistance as "Sons of God" to help His other children who are also in the same trouble as Earth. Of Course we are given the choice to go or not to go.

Im also curious as to how you found God? If you dont mind sharing? Im still waiting for Jesus to reveal himself to me...kind of discouraging at times, but I must be patient, its weird for me though, at times, I feel he is trying to talk with me, and other times, I feel completely nothing.

Reply: My friend, God is ALWAYS there with you. It is not in the seeing of Him or even of the feeling of Him. It is through BELIEVING that He is there that you begin to KNOW that He is there. Incidents like the burning bush of Moses is only a rare incident in the Bible and should in no way be interpreted as the NORM for a relationship with God. Remember He is just there ALL THE TIME, whether you feel something or even when you don't feel anything. I came to KNOW God by BELIEVING in Him FIRST. He can be everywhere at the same time BECAUSE HE IS GOD!!!

Of course Aliens/fallen angels are aware of this and hope you don't ever learn or know this. They prefer that you look for SENSATIONALISM at all times. They only care for your destruction.

Thanks for asking............


Thankyou for answering! Since I posted that God has been revealing his signs and works to me, Im beggining to understand Him and to be honest its very exciting. Im sorry but I have one more question: What else must happen before the return of Christ?



posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 11:17 PM
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I found the original misworded question intriguing, in that there are parallels between fallen angels and fallen aliens. On top of that, I just had a dream about falling squirrels (instead of flying ones).

What I think all of this means is that all of these interesting creatures suffered a loss of status that they were unable to recover from. Indeed, even squirrels that fall can regain their positions if they have the ability to fly instead of to only fall.

This is a very pertinent question for me, because I am an alien that's only supposed to be monitoring the human race, but I've begun interacting with them on the internet because I've found it to be so intriguing. Therefore, I may be in the process of becoming a fallen alien.



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:18 AM
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This is a very pertinent question for me, because I am an alien that's only supposed to be monitoring the human race, but I've begun interacting with them on the internet because I've found it to be so intriguing. Therefore, I may be in the process of becoming a fallen alien


Wow an alien who has dreams about flying squirells.

Deep



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by muter
I found the original misworded question intriguing, in that there are parallels between fallen angels and fallen aliens. On top of that, I just had a dream about falling squirrels (instead of flying ones).

What I think all of this means is that all of these interesting creatures suffered a loss of status that they were unable to recover from. Indeed, even squirrels that fall can regain their positions if they have the ability to fly instead of to only fall.

This is a very pertinent question for me, because I am an alien that's only supposed to be monitoring the human race, but I've begun interacting with them on the internet because I've found it to be so intriguing. Therefore, I may be in the process of becoming a fallen alien.


An alien eh? ... I'm stealing your space ship and you cannot stop me!


I'd like to add that your grammer is phenomenal for a space entity who's merely here to study Earthlings out of sheer pleasure.


[Edited on 1-1-2004 by Sapphire]



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by TRAINEDFORTHIS

ALIEN INFLUENCE



There may be some who do not think that this thread has nothing to do with ALIENS. However I just want to quickly inform those who believe this, that the soon ALIEN ANNOUNCEMENT will not only affect mankind before the rapture BUT very much so AFTER THE RAPTURE!!! The aliens will be most actively mingling among mankind on a regular basis. This INFLUENCE will cause mankind to change HIMSELF from existing in the image of God and become more like the BEINGS that belong in a SCIFI movie. FUTURISTIC indeed!!! Beings because of some much genetic tampering and genectic altering, who will no longer be able to possess a SOUL to house their SPIRITS. SAD but true when Jesus returns at the end of the final 1000 years left there will not be much humanity left to deal with. Because of this ALIEN ANNOUNCEMENT, by the end of this CENTURY, mankind will no longer be much like he started out or intended to be. So you can only imagine what the final 1000 years will bring forth. Of course this is all by design of Satan and his fallen angels/ALIENS!!!

Thanks for reading.............


The Rapture ?

Well the Holy Spirit that informs you is not who you think he is!

The rapture is not consistent with the Early Church and more so the Christians Nicene Creed.....
Quote//In all the writings of the Scriptures,
the Early Fathers,
and the Ecumenical Councils,
there is no mention of two 2nd comings of Christ.
In fact,
the 2nd Ecumenical Council definitively states and places in the

Nicene Creed these words: "He shall come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His Kingdom shall have no end."

This council of the Church, held in A.D. 381 in Constantinople, pronounced for all time what we as Christianis believe about the 2nd coming of Christ.
The Fathers of the Church wanted it to be crystal clear that when our Lord returns (a time which only God the Father knows- Mark 13:32).
He will establish His rule on earth forever,
not merely 1000 years.
The council did not condemn the Rapture heresy because the teaching did not yet exist.
Moreover,
there is no mention of the teaching in either the early Medieval period or the Scholastic era.

When Jesus taught His Apostles about His glorious 2nd coming,

these are the words He used: "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall the coming of the Son of Man be (Matthew 24:27)".

In the book of Acts, St. Luke tells us that when Jesus ascended into heaven, and the Apostles were gazing upward as the Lord rose among the clouds,
two men in white apparel (presumed to be angels) said these words: "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing into heaven?
This same Jesus,

which is taken up from you into heaven,
shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven (Acts 1:11)".
We are told here in Holy Scripture that exactly in the same way Jesus ascended into heaven He will return to earth.
In other words,
He will return in the clouds in the sky.
That description doesn't sound like a "secret catching away" but rather a dynamic 2nd coming!

"He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His kindgom shall have no end."
The 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus Christ shall be in glory,
not in secret. T
hen the Prince of Peace shall establish true peace,
joy, and righteousness on the earth; "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea (Habakkuk 2:14)".

Finally,
the Rapture doctrine is dangerous because it teaches Christians that they will be spared all tribulation,
wrath,
and danger in the last days.
The need for urgent preparation of one's heart and soul is diminished because Christians will be secretly taken away from all that pain.
No need to worry,
we'll just fly away.
Unlike the Early Christians,
most of whom were murdered by this world's authorities,
the end-time Christians have a get-out-of-tribulation free card called the Rapture.
Remember the words of St. Paul, "All those who live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution (2 Timothy 2:12)."
And lastly,
the words of the Lord in John 16:33,

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

Aliens may be demons , but the messages you receive are not the Holy Spirit!

Remember, that though you may think you are all rightous, you may also be deceived because in the last days many will come and prophecy in Christ's name .....

Apocalyptic literature is not intended to be read and interpreted in the same manner as the Gospels or the Book of Exodus,
or the Psalms or the Epistles or Acts of the Holy Apostles.
It makes much use of symbol,
allegory,
typology,
and imagery to affirm Gods revealed truth.
Bottom line: the very central verse (and message) of the Book of Revelation reads thus: "The kingdoms of the world have become the kingdom of our God and of His Christ and He shall reign unto the ages of ages." (11:15) It is in this that our hope lies.

(Taken and adapted from an article by Fr. George Gray)

www.stgabrielokc.org...

helen......



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 01:51 AM
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TRAINEDFORTHIS- I compliment you on your patience and writing, and I have found your instruction and writing to be very interesting, and your responces to questions are most intriguing.
I am a Christian also, and have been to many Pentacostal Churches in the Southern U.S. You must understand that I see an overall possibility of the validity of this thread, however, the means of disclosure via the web leads one to seriously question such important instruction from God, as revealed to us, by Him and through you.
I recently made a disclosure in another thread about a sighting experience I had, with an USO in the Indian Ocean.
Can you tell me what I saw? My story is posted in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...
I would appreciate reading your interpretation of this strange experience I had.



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by porschedrifter
According to the davinci code, and other scriptures, jesus had a wife and a son or daughter i forget, the wife was mary magdolen or something like that.... Trained, what is your stance on that?


Reply: The DaVinci code is not truth!!! Such attempts are tools used by Satan in conjunction with the Alien presence (which is SOON to be announced publicly) to destroy biblical understandings and credibility.

Thanks for asking..........



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 04:15 PM
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Yeah this is late, for sure, but here is something interesting you said Trained.




Only that all Christians will soon have similar energy source and will not have the need to eat in the way we do today!!!


That is in reply to what do they eat/feed off of. That is part of your reply on they do not need to eat, and then you followed up with that statement. Now, how is it that all Christians will receive this "power" to not need to eat, if God himself said that only the just and good will receive this. Not all Christians are pure, on the contrary, some are evil. When you say 'all' Christians, do you mean even the bad along with the good? That does not make much sense, that contradicts the Word of God..

EDIT: A few things:

1) lilblam. I am asking you seriously. Do you have some sort of "grudge" against God, and why you seem to hate the idea of a God so much? Usually an atheist is against the idea of God, but doesn't seem so hateful about it. Have you been scarred or something in your life?

2) lol I laughed when I read this.

"The DaVinci Code says Jesus had a daughter and a son and a wife!!!"

LoL, The DaVinci Code is FICTION lol..it is just meant to seem real, but the author himself says it is all fiction..don't be gullible.

-wD

[Edited on 1-1-2004 by WeBDeviL]



posted on Jan, 2 2004 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by Mikomi
So if god didn't give souls to animals why did he create them? What was their purpose?


Reply: For His glory and pleasure and for the pleasure of humanity. Such is like asking why does one bake a cake, or build a house or buy a car, television or anything else inluding a pet. None of these things need a soul for our enjoyment.

Thanks for asking..............



posted on Jan, 2 2004 @ 07:43 AM
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posted on Jan, 2 2004 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by TRAINEDFORTHIS

Originally posted by Mikomi
So if god didn't give souls to animals why did he create them? What was their purpose?


Reply: For His glory and pleasure and for the pleasure of humanity. Such is like asking why does one bake a cake, or build a house or buy a car, television or anything else inluding a pet. None of these things need a soul for our enjoyment.

Thanks for asking..............


So thats why we have these spiders that kill us with one bite and snakes that kill us with one bite. Also wasps who attack us mostly for no reason. They were created for our pleasure?!?



posted on Jan, 2 2004 @ 10:52 PM
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Asked off thread:
Is it possible for an alien to leave their physical form and then go to possess someone?


Reply: Yes!!! But remember there are also DEMONS who have had the ability to become physical taken away from them by God and they also look for bodies to possess; including the bodies of clones created by aliens/fallen angels specifically for their purpose!!!


How can a person be protected from this?

Reply: Protection can only come from the full faith and trust in God has Jesus Christ!!! It is the one thing the Aliens/fallen angels fear VEHEMENTLY!!!

Thanks for asking.



posted on Jan, 2 2004 @ 11:06 PM
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Additional offthread questions:

You seem to make a distinction between demons and fallen angels. Is there a difference between the two?


Reply: Yes!!!


If there is a difference, who created the demons and where are they from?


Reply: All living life forms have a spirit. The spirit of a fallen angel is a DEMON!!! All fallen angels have a spirit, but all fallen angels do not have the ability to exist in the physical realm. Some of the fallen angels have had this ability stripped from them by God. The spirits of fallen angels that have not the abitily to take physical form again are confined to live the rest of their lives as DEMONS!!! They have not the ability to touch, feel, taste or perform any physical action. Remember that not all fallen angels are confined to this punishment; only those who after they fell who proceeded to continue to attempt to cause problems for God by doing things outside of their RESTRICTED guidelines. They love to present themselves as the spooky, ghostly manifestations that some have experienced for this is all they can do since they have no physical powers!!! Therefore God created the angels not the demons; the demons are just by-products of the fallen angels!!! The Aliens (clones of the fallen angels) can be possessed by these DEMONS!!! Remember that ALL ALIENS are fallen angels and DEMONS!!!

Thanks for asking.



posted on Jan, 3 2004 @ 12:27 PM
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Asked offthread:

When will the staged alien invasion be?

Reply: I have no knowledge of the evil staging of an invasion othere than the fact it was being considered by TPTB but they backed off. If they (TPTB) choose to do so, it will be a time of their setting as they are allowed by a higher power to do so. In fact they may not ever stage an invasion. The important thing is that the Aliens themselves want the announcement to be made public about their presence and it will be done soon.


Have some of the elite already been chipped and shipped to the underground cities?

Reply: Some have been chipped. Some by choice and some through abductions. Chipping of the abductee is done for monitoring purposes!!! Those that are abducted are released after there memories are altered or erased. They are not SHIPPED to underground cities as prisoners. Let me say that before abductees are released by the aliens/fallen angels, many of them have had FALSE MEMORY inserted so that when they are hynotized by a professional to find out the truth, it is only the truth to that individual as inserted in their memory. This is done by the Aliens/fallen angels to present disinformation and misinformation. Therefore they continue to dupe the masses!!!

Thanks for asking............



posted on Jan, 3 2004 @ 01:55 PM
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TRAINED... A Few questions

1) You say people have already been chipped how would we know if we were chipped and where would it be to take it out?

2) Have you ever come face to face with any fallen angels?

3) Why do the choose to look like 'Aliens' can they not look like humans? If yes are there ones walking round as humans?

4) Can you tell us anymore except soon about this announcement like will it have happened by the end of this year?

6) When will the christians be saved?

7) I read that the start of the pole shift has happened is this true and what is causing this?

8) How do you know if you have ever been abudcted by these fallen angels?

[Edited on 6-1-2004 by Mikomi]





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