James since u dislike Catholics so much, do'nt post in threads related to our beliefs.

In most history books they say that the Exodus did happen. You are simply ignorant. Thomas is right about what he said about u.

Funny...before I admited I hardly read the bible, my opinion wasn't shot down. Now that I have, you religous people, are telling me to shut up...

"Love thy nieghbor."

It says nothing about loving thy ignorant neighbor.

Being rude when I'm ignorant when I'm only going off what I know doesn't help. Correct me when I'm wrong about biblical things. But I'm still entitled to my opinion.

God does test us, he sent James and Freemason to help us learn to tolerate idiots...

Which James? JamesG, or Jamesthelesser.

Yup...Those of us who have been untarnished by the bible, who hold different views because of that, are idiot's.

I'm still abit at odds with how my opinions prior to saying I never read the bible were more accepted compared to now. Now I'm called an idiot by those of the religous community. And for what? Because I see thier god in a different light than them. This makes me a satanic evil worshipping idiot. Wrong, this just show's that religous people are more closed minded and dislike those who are not like them or hold thier views. Us idiots are to shut our mouth's or be flamed in the name of god. Despite the commandment that these religous people must adhere by, "love thy nieghbor", it doesn't apply when they are dealing with us non-religous folk. They're gonna use the excuse that god didn't specify idiots as justification for thier hatred of athiest's opinions. Sickning little freaks. It's pathetic how you can change your views so quick and openly when someone says something you don't like. Bastards.

No, JamesG, it takes a little sense to understand that one should answer in context to the question, and one should understand courtesy in such matters as religion. It is no doubt you don't believe, and by the way, it wasn't your admission that clued me that you didn't know what you were talking about. That post was partially tongue in cheek because it is obvious.

There are alot of things in this forum, and say, the paranormal forum that are discussed that I feel is wrong, misunderstood and just plain stupid, but I refrain from jumping in those threads and telling these people how stupid I think they are. Why? Because that is their thing, their beliefs, and it isn't my job to act an ass and insult them.

It might be a thought to try the same. I realize it can be difficult when some people post things like, dinosaurs were giant lizards because there was more oxygen before Noah's says and the extra oxygen made them bigger, mixing religion and pseudo-science and B.S. together. This I expect to be intensely scrutinized, examined, turned over to expose its soft underbelly and then ripped to shreds with the sharpest of claws, but that is different than a question specific to the Bible, or specific to any other religious book.

No..Sorry. Difference of opinion is just as good as an answer in context to the question. It sheds light on different views that hold just as much merit as an answer in context.

I noticed a change in attitude AFTER I admitted to not knowing a whole lot about biblical stuff. And so far...mostly those of the religous community.

Last time I checked, we lived in a world where freedom of choice/opinion riegns(SP?). Is this freedom temporarily stripped from non-religous people when it comes to religous discusions on this board? Because I'm not religous, I have no rights to post or uphold my views concerning religion?

Feel free, JamesG, it is a free country, as they say, and people quite often talk about things they have no clue about.

BTW, there wasn't much time for this huge change in peoples' view of you after your admission. I think this is merely your perception. Seriously, do you think you can comment on something you are totally ignorant about and not look, well, stupid? Of course people were aware you were clueless in this particular topic!
What topic is it that you feel you are quite learned? Imagine some ignorant dolt trying to express opinions about that topic. There you go.
The old saying about keeping quite and make them guess, open your mouth and confirm...., that had already come into play. It's just that your admission that you were clueless yet you pipe up just made you look that much dumber since you even knew your ignorance yet didn't let it stop you, nor did it embarrass you to admit yapping in blind ignorance.

I'm quite sure that there are topics that you are the man to lead the way, why not add value and quality to the board by leading the way in those topics, teaching and correcting as you go, instead of adding valueless opinion that is based on assumptions, suspicions and prejudice?

James I assume you have some sort of hobby, job, interest, where you consider you know a fair bit and may be quite knowledgable about ... you know like "What happens in the episodes of Gilligans island".

Now if you were trying to tell people about Gilligans Island and someone who had only seen a few programs once tried to tell you you were wrong you would get pissed off with them. The same here,

There are posters here who have studied and practiced the bible for years, when someone like yourself demands equal attention with ideas and concepts when you don't know the facts, nor it seems are interested in the facts, then don't be suprised to get the brush off.

If you ever get to university then the first thing you will find is that your opinions are worthless. The first year will involve breaking you from the attitude that your opinion is equal to everyone elses.

Its not, unless you have the knowledge, and information to back up your thoughts then you are just blowing hot air... and you ablow a lot of hot air in this forum...

Netchicken is right James.

I'm sorry, but I am interested in the fact's. Not my problem if the bible lacks them, nor am I in the wrong for showing the fact's that science uncover's. The religous community chooses to ignore certain facts as they don't agree with thier doctorine as well as twist what they can to make thier religoun sound plausible. Science has already proven that this universe was not created by supernatural means. Everything has a natural begining. Science has already proved evolution, and other things bible throwers despise. It's not my problem if you don't like the ACTUAL fact's of life. Your religous aditude causes you to hate non-religous people. You cannot even follow one of your god's commandments, you decide to twist it so you can be justified in your awfull treatment toward's non religous people.

I don't know much of what I'm talking about, only because I saw other things more important to me...like the truth and facts. You religous people, all claim to know the truth, but every damned montheistic religion cannot agree with who's write. All monthiestic religoins say they are the one and only true religion. This means that not a damned single one of you even know what your truly talking about. You all even hold different views and argue them right here on this board. Yet I am the idiot?

Originally posted by JamesG
Why do I think there is no god? You can't prove, nor disprove that there is a god.

Okay, but *you* can't prove or disprove the original Big Bang either...What *was* that "original mass" that exploded into the Big Bang? Where did that come from? How long did it sit there before exploding? How do you intend to *prove or disprove* what science is only *beginning* to observe & test?

Scientific theories they are & theories they will remain until someone can actually invent time travel & go look for themselves.

I think that you're looking at the topic from the wrong angle...Science tries to explain "how" things happened while religion tries to explain "why" it happened. Yet, neither way has been able to provide *all* of the answers yet. All we can do is keep looking with open hearts & minds before we can really learn anything about anything.

In my own case, I read what I can from as many different sources as I can in order to form my opinion. I read not only the Bible, but I look into the scriptures that were written *before* the current incarnations of the Bible as it stands as well as what *current* knowledge has to say about it as well.

Admittiedly, I still don't have the answers to *all* of my personal questions...But I still keep looking for the answers. Unlike you, I don't *maintain* ignorance on a subject while being negative about what more learned people have to say about it. If you want to know more about the Bible & scriptures, then you have to read them...If you *don't* want to know, then all you need to do is stay out of that subject.

Also, a bit of common courtesy to other people along the way to learning never hurts one's position either...


[Edited on 17-11-2002 by MidnightDStroyer]

No..I can't prove the big bang personally. I don't have the technology nor the financial backing at my disposal to do so. Yet those who have what is required have ALREADY PROVEN it happened. The hypothosies(SP?) and observations all add up together. Science has trouble seeing the actual event happen due to the power required to do so. We just don't have the technology to see that far back yet. Even the experiments in the lab's support the big bang. Where I fail to prove, scientists already have. And religion never will untill death. 'nough said.

No, you missed my point...My point is that you're limiting your knowledge to only *one* source. If you wish to know more about the opinions & views from *both* sides of the coin, you need to broaden your range of sources to look at.

I choose *not* to put self-imposed limitations on what I'm willing to learn. I've removed my blinders, but can you do the same?

I tried the god thing. Unfortunatly...It doesn't work. It doesn't explain a damned thing or show any evidance. All it says is have faith and do not question god's word. It TELLS you to be ignorant and closed minded. To seek the truth only within the boundries of god himself. In other words, live within the lie he is.

It's really hard, once seeing all science has discovered, proven, and built our world upon, to turn back to a belief system that date's back to our more primitive ancestor's 2000 year's ago. Science has opened the door to a whole new universe. Religion WANT'S to keep this door tightly sealed and forgotten. WHY would anyone want to live like that?! Because thier gullible little freak's with primitive mind's practicing primitive ritual's believing that someday thier god will save them from themselve's because they can't cope with REALITY!

I think you've also been misunderstanding what I'm all about; I don't use religion or scripture to find the "answers"...I look at them to help me formulate the questions that I need to ask so that I can *find* the answers.

I don't rely on "the book" as if I were a cheating-student swiping the teacher's answer key, because it's not what most *organized religions* try to make it out to be...The book itself is not "holy"...They printing presses that print the things can't *all* have been anointed as holy...The book itself has so many different versions that you can't trust *all* of them to say "1+1=2" because they've been changed & altered over the centuries.

I've spent a lot of time tracing "the book" back to its original beginnings & how it correlates with known historical fact. I've traced many of the alterations to the time-periods & social/political situations that were evident at the times those changes were made. Even if you can't believe in a "myth" because it sounds too fantastical to be true, you can still get some indications of what the *authors* themselves were like & what kind of lifestyles they had to live with.

I don't say that everyone has to *believe* in what they read...But if what they're reading presents questions, they should be at least willing to go out & find the answers to their questions from any source they can...Preferably *multiple* sources...And then double-check those sources in turn.

"Wise men still seek Him"--Bumper Sticker



[Edited on 18-11-2002 by MidnightDStroyer]

People, follow god! Not religon. God wrote a ten commandments for every time. For today, we have what the Jews got, not Christians. The ten commandments. Before that, what greek/romans had. Before that, what Egyptians had. All basically the same thing, just from different times.

Human have written a book for their religon. The new ones anyways. The old ones said love peace, and it was followed. The new ones write love peace, then kill when someone else writes down same thing, for the same god, but with a different name. Allah and god are the same, just the Islam call god Allah. They have the same things in their books, don't kill, steal, rape, so forth, just follow it differently. What it brings? War, death, destruction.

That happens when humans try to take over what god gave us. But god gave us ten rules. The ten commandments. Doesn't matter what you call him(or her) you still have those ten rules written by god, not by humans.

FOLLOW GOD! NOT RELIGON!

James religions are very interesting, like opinions everyone has one. No belief system (despite the pretense) has all the answers. My impression is that God did this to bring us together. So if you want to understand God learn about all systems of belief.